We just finished Idaho Sharpshooter's 600 Overkill built on the Montana Rifleman's PH action. I'm posting some photos for him since he is challenged in that respect.

This was one of the very first actions sent out, and in fact we received it without some of the parts just so we could get going on it. We made the stock pattern, which we have since sold. The action is bone stock, except for a little reshaping of the bottom of the mag box to get some taper on the bottom of the stock line going forward and the typical work in the innards to get it to feed the big 600's. It shoots great and we had a blast sighting it in yesterday.

Unfortunately, Rich has decided to sell the rifle before he even sets his sweaty palms on it. Something or other about Arthritis or some other affliction of his old age. I say he needs to cinch up the old jockstrap and let er rip.

Alas, he's posted the rifle for sale in the classified's and I guess I'll be posting it on our website. Here's a couple of pictures of a nice 600 OK.

Another AHR Masterpiece in my favorite caliber.

Too bad but good luck on the sale Rich

Thanks Wayne, I sent a PM
Frank

Wayne - beautiful work. Someone will be a very happy man.-Rob

You are right I am. I have been silently drooling over the reports on the 600 for some time now. To be able to get one on a custom from Wayne is icing in the cake.
I have spent time reading the past reports but may as well ask now.
Loads?
Dies?
Aspirin, Sudafed or straight to Morphine?
Frank

Congrats Frank & welcome to the world of the king of the big bores
Typical Wayne creation---a work of art. My dies are C&H. My current standard load is a 900 Woody ahead of a case full of H-4350 (155 grs) for about 2100 out of my 20" pipe. Wayne has a lot of load data and there's a ton on this forum. If you cast bullets, the sky's the limit for plinking with. I plink with a 700gr custom round nose/ spire point type pushed by a light does of 5744 to around 1500 fps. Fun plinker load & kicks less than a 458 varmint load. As to pain killers---if you don't use one of Wayne's muzzle breaks, you'll need some. But really the recoil isn't that bad depending on the guns weight. Have fun

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Originally posted by Frank Martinez:
Aspirin, Sudafed or straight to Morphine?
Frank

None of the above - Wayne builds 'em right and you won't even need the brake up to around 2,200fps.



Now if only he would build another on my soon to arrive SS PH ...

It is a beauty, I wish I had the funds to invest in one like it. It is on my "to do" list.

todd

Frank- There are 50 750gr crayola tips on the bench right now. You need some.-Rob

I can attest to the "fun factor" of spitting Rob's light-weight "Crayola Tips" out of a 600OK.

Plus, like the Energizer Bunny - they just keep going and going and going ... Line up the trees or mountains so you have a good back-stop

Sorry for being so slow in responding. I went out of town the day after I made the purchase and have just returned.
Thank you Rob and yes I would like them.
PM on the way.
Thanks CCMDoc, I am sure I will be thrilled, and sure I can handle it. . It is the anticipation of shooting it alone in the dark so no-one will see me close my eyes or start crying if I drop it that has me worried.

Frank

It is all about surviving. To get this far has been a treat, all the friends I have made here, and getting to hunt Africa.

In retrospect, jumping out of a perfectly good airplane all those times in the Army may not have been good for the joints.

I had the enjoyment of meeting Wayne, and visiting him and his family in their home.

I also got to shoot 20 rounds out of CCmDoc's at a shoot a couple years back.

It pleases me that the rifle is going to Frank, it will have a good life.

The $$$ finishes up my Safari costs, I leave in four weeks.

Rich

Frank bought a rifle that DOES NOT say Whitworth?

Keith

Frank, you will be surprised about the "shoot-ability" of the 600 OK, unless of course you load it to the gills.

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bewilderedFrank bought a rifle that DOES NOT say Whitworth? lol

I tried just a couple hours before this came up and got turned down. The Big Bore Gods were leading me forward.
Frank

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Frank, you will be surprised about the "shoot-ability" of the 600 OK, unless of course you load it to the gills.

Yeah but like any unknown factor I just need to do it before I can relax about it. Believe me I will start with sissy steps and build on that.
I had my 450 Ackley out the other day and
@ 8 lbs I noticed the recoil plenty. I know this rifle is built specially for the heavy loads so I am sure it will feel about the same. Does anyone know the real recoil numbers?
I am going to be picking up a few pounds of powder over the next two months and I have dies and brass and bullets lined up so I just need to check the berm at the range to be sure it is heavy enough to handle the loads.
Frank

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Frank, you will be surprised about the "shoot-ability" of the 600 OK, unless of course you load it to the gills.

I hear ya Biebs but if you load it down to "sensible" levels then you just paid $6,000 for really heavy 45-70.

Thank you 600 Overkill. That info gives me a good place to start.
I do cast and will probable talk to some of the guys over at cast bullets to get the lowdown on that aspect. I am also swagging and have a trip planned to see Dave Corbin in two weeks. We have already zeroed in on 750 and 900 grain bullets with heavy jackets but some lighter loads may also be warranted.
Along with work on my double rifle shooting this is going to be fun.
Frank

The 900 gr load at 2200 fps would +/- 200 ft-lbs depending upon the weight of the rifle!

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I hear ya Biebs but if you load it down to "sensible" levels then you just paid $6,000 for really heavy 45-70. Big Grin

Tigger, a .624 bullet weighing 900gr and moving at 2,150-2,200 fps is a LONG way from a 45-70 :-)

No problem shooting them 900 grainers at 2,200fps.

It's 2,400fps that makes you get up and notice!!

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Originally posted by Biebs:

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I hear ya Biebs but if you load it down to "sensible" levels then you just paid $6,000 for really heavy 45-70. Big Grin

Tigger, a .624 bullet weighing 900gr and moving at 2,150-2,200 fps is a LONG way from a 45-70 :-)

OK, then a magnum 1863 Springfield.

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OK, then a magnum 1863 Springfield.

That'll work....just make sure you wear a welding helmet when you touch one off! :-)

1863's were Muzzle loaders. 45-70's came later!
A unbraked .600 Ok at 2200fps with 900 gr bullets will get your attention but isn't very difficult or dangerous yet. Just go up another 200 fps for some real smack down effect. You'll do it once or twice but "never again". -Rob

Very nice,

You have to shoot the hot ones every now and then or.... whats the point.

I received the 600 OK this week and got to the range today to give it a go.
The rifle was far more impressive in person and the guys at my gunshop whi produce and shoot some very fine quality custom rifles were very imprssed with the stockwork and metal work.
They all thought I was a little touched to actually WANT to shoot a 900 grain bullet at all but they understood my pride in owning such a great rifle.
So today I finally got the chance to shoot my new rifle and was very pleasantly surprised. The recoil was not nearly as notorious as I thought and hear. Of course I was shooting baby loads.
I intended to get into some serious action but I totally forgot how important it was to crimp heavy recoiling rifle cartridges.
I started out at 50 yards sitting with rifle in hand. No bags or rest. I wanted to get a feel for the rifle and sublety of the trigger. Very smooth without drag or creep or feel for when it would go. It really felt good squeezing it off.
My first two shots at 50 yards were touching at 2 o'clock on a 3 inch target but when I loaded the next, I noticed the bullet had been bounced into the brass. I realized my mistake and decided I would come home and do some serious crimping and go back out on Tuesday.
I started out with 145 grain loads of 7828 based on Robs' 165 grain load to achieve 2150 fps. I had another set at 150, at 155 and then climbed 2 grains at a time to reach 161 and then several one grain steps to 168 total. Might as well feel what it was like to really let it fly. All this with 900 grain swagged bullets. When I got home I added a canalure which allowed me to load these bullets to 3.59.
The rifle feels great and although I think the bolt needs some smoothing I am sure that will come with use and possibly a little dab of lithium. I felt very comfortable with the firesight as I had used them on my Whitworth when I went to Zimbabwe.
Here are a couple photos.

Frank- I told yah so! -Rob

Now frank, remember, you can't possibly hope to kill anything bigger than a deer with those round nose bullets....

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Now frank, remember, you can't possibly hope to kill anything bigger than a deer with those round nose bullets....

Dave, we agree, but he would be ok as long as it was not one of those really big Nebraska Deer. I think that RN .620 would be ok on our little SC deer, they are not big and husky like your deer. Of course, I would not trust anything less than this just to be really sure;





And I believe that Robs bullet will handle even the big Nebraska deer too!



Of course, you can always up the velocity with either of these and get even more performance if you think these are not giving enough penetration.



HEH HEH..........

Michael

I do have the smaller bullets ready. The 750 "Tips" are next as soon as I get the big boys worked out. The beauty of the swagged bullet for me is the fact that I can make adjustments to them when needed. At 900 grains and 2200 fps at around 10,000ft/lbs we don't need penetration on those pesky deer cuz every bone in their body is broken right now. I just need to practice enough to hit the little buggers. Out here the deer are 1/2 the size as the rest of the country.
I will have to try more of the ceb's in other cartridges. I shot some in my Lott and my Ackley and what I found showed pretty much what you show above in the photos. Your info is greatly appreciated.
My 750

My 750
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Isn't that just a thing of beauty

Frank

Don't underestimate those damned deer! While I don't hunt deer, and know nothing about one, I have heard many a tale of woe about how mean and tough they are! They tell me sometimes that with normal bore rifles bullets merely bounce off of them!

HEH.

I would love to see the end results of someone shooting a deer with one of those 825 gr NonCons at 2200+ fps!!!!!!!!! If there was anything left to photograph!

You .620 boys will be proud to know that the above shown 825 BBW#13 NonCon penetrated the deepest of any expanding, or NonCon bullet that has ever been tested here. Nothing has ever even approached the 43 inches of penetration with a NonCon. The next closet one was a 460 BBW#13 NonCon out of my 500 MDM at some ungodly 2600 fps velocity, and it went 37 inches as I recall. That thing is absolutely WICKED.

Enjoy!
Michael

Frank
Could I ask you a favor? Can you take a couple pics of the stock? I sold Rick that blank and it was awesome

Glad to do it Jeffe. Do you want a PM or e-mail set?
If e-mail please send address.
Frank

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Congrats Frank & welcome to the world of the king of the big bores Cool
Typical Wayne creation---a work of art. My dies are C&H. My current standard load is a 900 Woody ahead of a case full of H-4350 (155 grs) for about 2100 out of my 20" pipe.

How in the world do you get 155 grains of 4350 under a 900 grainer? I tried but was crunching powder and struggling at 145 grains. I cannot imagine getting another 10 grains into the case.

I was glad I couldn't after shooting the rounds this morning. Two shots sitting was all I could handle. My friend Huck took a couple shots standing as well and we were both wide-eyed. He also tried a couple of 160 grain loads of 7828. Once I shot those loads I decided that was my max without the brake. I may change my mind once I see the velocity on my chrono but for now-still fun.

thanks Frank -- you could post here, or send to jeffeosso at weaponsmith dot com

Frank- once fired brass has more capacity. I also use a 24-36 inch drop tube to add the powder. Moly coat the bore and bullets for max velocity.160 gr of 7828 is way into the sissy load levels. Don't shoot it without the brake! Now you know why we added a brake in the first place! -Rob

Frank,

How much does your 600 weigh? I am wondering if I should add weight to mine. It is only 10-3/4lbs.

Andy

I have yet to weigh it and I forgot to ask Wayne when I last spoke with him. I will get that info. I want to say this is more like twelve lbs and I do not believe I would want it much less.
If it is a lot less than that I must be tougher than I think.