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Off-hand into a leadwood tree. Although I could definetly handle the recoil for a hunting scenerio, I definetly would not enjoy shooting it again, and can't imagine shooting it off the bench. Prior to that, I shot a 458 Win which didn't bother me at all. I don't know how you 460 owners do it! | ||
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After that experience, would you agree for a big gun with better killing effect one of the 50's would be a better choice. | |||
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The recoil sensation was decieving. During the recoil, I remember thinking, "thats not so bad" but a few seconds later I could feel the deep pain in my sholder. | |||
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I had a Ruger #1 in .458 WM rechambered to the weatherby round. Used it for ground squirrels here in Oregon for awhile. Was a lot of fun, but the straight stocked Ruger was a little rough on my cheek, so finally sold it in favor of the .375 H&H. I did learn one lesson with the .460 however: I was making core bonded bullets for the .45-70 at the time; around 400 grains as I recall. But they were soft for the 1,800 fps of the .45-70s. I loaded one up to about 3,000 fps in the Weatherby and shot a small blacktail straight on thru the chest at about 75 yards. The deer dropped straight down at the shot. When I got to it, I found it was blown apart as a squirrel shot with a .223. There was a hole in its back end about the size of a 2# coffee can. The stomach was blown out the side for a couple feet. There was very little salvagable meat left above the hocks! Lesson learned: Use bullets tough enough to hold together for the game and velocity intended! Cheers! | |||
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It’s been my experience that most people will shoot a big bore OK for the first few shots. After that the recoil begins to catch up to you. It will cause the shooter to flinch after a few rounds. It also tends to give the shooter a head ache….I get them after 8 to 10 rounds with my 505 unless I take a few aspirin before the shooting begins. This can be minimized by shooting off sticks in the standing position. I try to stay as far away from the bench as I can once the gun is sighted in properly. I have several big bores and I do enjoy hunting with them. I do also enjoy the small bore rifles too and have to admit they are more “fun” to shoot. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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I hope my 458 Lott 500 grains stick rather less than a 460 Weatherby Magnum. People say that the 460 is very unpleasant to shoot.  Greetings, Oscar. I am Spanish My forum:www.armaslargasdecaza.com | |||
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I can only speak for myself and share my experience. I regularly shoot my .416 Weatherby from the bench and have put 76 full-power reloads through it in a single afternoon session of load development. No lead sled, no shot or sand bag between but and shoulder, no PAST pad. I've put several hundred rounds through my 600 OverKill and my dad's 585AHR. About two dozen of each from the bench 2,000 - 2,200fps with 900grain bullets in the 600 and same with 750grain in the 585 - again in a single afternoon. My shoulder never aches and I don't get a headache. I do occasionally have a bruise on my shoulder after such a session. I'm 5'5" and 165lbs and absolutely nothing special about me (except I should lose 20 lbs). The only two times I remeber getting hurt by a rifle were with a new Remington 700 in 8mm Remington Magnum and my first .416 weatherby Magnum in a Weatherby Euromark. Both occasions happened with teh first time I shot each rifle. In both cases I expected to be hurt, I tensed every muscle in my neck, back and shoulder, didnt weld my cheek to the stock and intended to absorb all of the recoil. Both "first shots" hurt - my cheek, shoulder and lower back. I figured out I was fighting the rifle. In each case, I put it down, walked away for 5 minutes and then "loosened up". Ever since that first lesson (which obviously had to be re-learned with the first shot of my first 416) I roll with the recoil while cycling the action. In doing so, I'm more quickly back on target with a fresh round in the chamber and never hurt since. Everyone is different and I know RGB has taught many experienced rifleman to better ahndle the recoil of the 600OK. Might be worth thinking about how you were handling the 460 and if any or all those factors contributed to why your shoulder hurt. It's a great round and though I dont have one, I have shot it plenty and it shouldn't hurt you at all. Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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The .460 is tame in comparison to some of the cartridges that the gents around this forum shoot! | |||
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The 460 WM ain't that bad. It should be noted that the MkV stock ain't the best for heavy kickers though. The Classic Mark was better stocked, IMHO, for a heavy kicker. | |||
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A .460 Wby is a great big bore starter gun. It will teach you how to roll with the recoil. It generates a quite tolerable recoil level.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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 Some fun rounds - none should hurt  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I learned that a lead sled (with just 10 lbs on it)and a past recoil shoulder pad off of the bench is sooooo much better. Off hand if your shooting a box, wear the pad, if not just wear whatever. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Holy crap, I shoot the big WBYs just fine off hand or on the bench. That 600 is from another plant. Anything that makes a 460 case look puny has to have some recoil. | |||
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touch off a 460wby in the dgr version, then you know you have fired 1...................  | |||
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Awesome cartridge. They do kick. | |||
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Good cartridge. Great basis for a 500a2. They dont kick if you know how to roll with the recoil.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Forget that.....try an 11 pound 700nitro H&H after gaining confidence/cockiness from shooting a 26lb 4 bore. I think I would have gladly shot the 460 all day  Jeffe will vouch for me!! Andy We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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You think the 460 is bad try the 505 gibbs, I have not shot it but I heard about it. A guy I know had one he said the 505 Gibbs loosens your shoulder bones with its recoil I said no thanks. | |||
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During a boxing match, one commentator said: "I don't know why he doesn't just walk right through that guy, it's obvious his punches can't hurt him?" The other commenator was Sean O'Grady, former lightweight champion of the world (professional record of 81 wins and 5 losses, with 70 wins by knockout). Sean responded with: "I've got news for you, they all hurt ..." Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Sorry Dudes, but getting Punched with a rifle is EXACTLY WHATS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. It also wont if you know what your doing. Of course everyone THINKS they know how to shoot a BIG BORE but really don't. Watch Shootaways videos for a lesson in exactly what not to do. There is a reason he likes his shooting Helmet!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Utter BS. Rodgunbuilder summed it up nicely, if you know what you are doing, then the rifle shouldn't break your balls. I have shot a 460 and it kicked a hell of a lot more than my Original 505 Gibbs and Custom 500 Jeffrey and I put that down to the crap Weatherby stock. Stocks seem to be vital in how recoil is handled. | |||
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I know what you mean. I fired the .460 twice and also the .378 in the same asfternoon several years ago. The .460 wasn't too bad at all BUT the .378's recoil was BAD! David | |||
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What is a good stock design for a big bore? I have a BRNO 602 in .458 that will soon become a .460 and looking for suggestions. I have the original factory stock on it with an internal cross bolt and also a mercury tube in the butt with a Decelerator pad. | |||
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The Straight stocked CZ / Brno's weren't bad in the recoil department - by straight stocked I mean a straight comb, NOT the hog back style one's which kicked IMHO. And with a decent recoil pad and a recoil reducer, it should be bearable. If you get it restocked, keep an eye on how the English stocked their Bolt Action guns, IMHO they got it right. Just my HO from experience owning and shooting all the guns mentioned (except the 460 which I have only shot). | |||
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My complaint on the 460 is that it only comes with a muzzle brake, good for the shoulder, bad for the ears. Stock fitment goes a long way in aiding comfortable shooting. Trying to shoot iron sights with a a stock designed for scopes can be a little hard on the cheek and neck as well. John | |||
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ditto on that 1. the dgr stock whilst good, is a tadd to short for me, which don't help in the recoil dept, but you get used to it........eventually. you blokes can have your big 505's and the like , found my limit. hehehehe.  | |||
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+1. I'd rather shoot a 460 than a 378 of equal weight any day. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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+another opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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It is interesting that most do not speak of the muzzle brakes on these big bore including the 460 whtby. I shot a 460 whtby. with the standard muzzle brake on the MKV and it was just not a big deal. I had a 378 without a muzzle brake and there was no comparison, it was and is the hardest kicking rifle I have ever shot. This includes 458 Lotts, 470 and 500 NE and a 577 NE unbraked. Take the muzzle brake off those big bores 460 whtby+ and tell me that they are no problem  .... | |||
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Exactly right! I have a factory .460 & .378. Many people who shoot the much heavier .460 (with factory break) don't think its too bad. But the really light .378 with no break has cut so many foreheads I've quit letting most people shoot it. Obviously experience with big bores makes a big difference but to people not experienced with recoil I just haven't been able to emphasize how serious the recoil will be on the light .378. Frankly I'm tired of strangers blood on my .378. I'm no expert but its almost like Newton's third law of motion also applies to firearms... who knew??? | |||
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I have one muzzle braked rifle a 30-378 whtby that I use as a long range deer rifle. Outside of that I do not care for a muzzle braked rifles. I use my rifles for hunting and there is not a damn thing I can not kill with a 450-500 grain bullet at 2150+/- fps or a 400 grain bullet +/- 2300 fps, if I need a muzzle brake to shoot the damn thing it is useless to me...there are better options, in my opinion, for a hunting rifle Also, I really like to keep my rifles under 9lbs+/-...try an unbraked 9lb 460+ whthby and you will really have some enjoyment. An 11+ lbs rifle is just not my idea of a "carry rifle" while having fun..... | |||
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+ one more "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Well I can hit what I aim at, been doing that for a long time. My sons (who I taught) are excellent shots as well, but I'm still not too old to learn new things ... My 500 Jeffrey with full power loads (570g TSX, 101g H4895) while not painful off hand, will leave a bruise if I shoot a full box without a PAST (wussy) pad. It's a CZ Safari classic with TWO recoil reducers in it lol ... I'll have to go to a Big Bore shoot and have Rob show me some pointers next summer. I will be a the Reno SCI show ... Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I got my PAST pad when I got my first 460, no more sore shoulder. If it makes shooting more fun I don't consider it sissy. Just for the record I realy like the way WBY stocks handle recoil. I guess everyone is built different. My first 460 was a rechambered #1. It was a visious beast. | |||
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I've always found this to be an interesting statement. In equal weight rifles the 460 recoils harder AND faster then the 378 using appropriate for caliber bullet weights (i.e. 500 grain for the 460 and 300 grain for the 378). The numbers don't lie. Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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Say what? If the 460 is shooting a 500 gr TBBC at 2700 and the 378 shoots a 300 gr TBBC at 2950, the 375 bullet is accelerating much faster in the barrel and it is that extra recoil velocity that makes it hurt, rather than the absolute ft lbs of recoil energy. Add to that a muzzle pressure of almost 14k psi for the 378 versus 12.5k for the 460 and you have nearly 1500 psi of additional gas thrust in an un-braked barrel. Those influnces add up to a sharper recoil impulse that hurts more (to me anyway) when firing the smaller caliber. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I do remember my first .378, and it was an older Japanese model without a brake. Very fast recoil. | |||
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Just quoting the math my friend, nothing more. Perhaps there is something that the recoil calculators don't take into account that I'm not familiar with. Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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I've owned a couple of each, the 378 rattles my brain less. It is a touch jumpy off the bench though. My Lott's a pussycat. | |||
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