i have a left handed 700 nitro express double rifle for sale it can be yours for only 26,000$$$ need the coin im getting married

geese,
While I MUCH prefer a double rifle for DG, If I was to use a bolt rifle it would be a Blaser. I have 3 Blaser R93 recievers and 8 barrels from 223 to 375, including a 28 ga bbl.
I have shot a 416. I can recommend the Blaser without reservation. Search some of my previous posts for more info.

I've shot my freinds Blaser in 257 Whby and 375 H&H. It is a well made rifle. Not a traditional rifle, but a well made rifle none the less. It is, or at least the I shot, was very accurate.

One feature I find advantegous is the ability to work the bolt and not lower the rifle from your shoulder.

geese,

I am left-handed and shoot left-handed rifles exclusively. While sometimes we receive some guff from the "who-gives-a-darn" what you shoot crowd I don't see right-handers standing in line to relate their experiences with left-handed rifles either.....I also agree on our issue of attempting to locate and then afford (for those of us who live "normal" budgets) full-race L/H DG rifles.

The R93 offers a well-engineered left-right option and there is some (minor compared to the total lay-out) added expense with the left vs. right bits & pieces but that's just the way it is.......

I agree with my left-handed compadre NE450No2 about the Blaser R93. I also have a .375 H&H sporter weight barrel (Magna-Ported, I bought it used - already ported) in a synthetic stock and it goes bang just fine. I have an Aimpoint and 6x42 S&B in saddle mounts and overall it is an accurate & reliable boomer, period.

I have shot all military shoulder-fired weapons and sporting rifles to .460 Weatherby Magnum so I'm not a big whiner about how much of a thump the shooter takes when he launches large caliber bullets.

Having said that I have also shot a friend's Blaser R93 (from a bench!) in .416 Remington Magnum on a regular wooden stocked, non-recoil padded or Kick-Stopped Blaser platform and brother you know it when when you tug the trigger - it is a pretty light piece of kit! I would wholeheartedly recommend (and appreciate) the added weight of the Safari .416 barrel, the Kick-Stop option plus all the epoxy & shot you can pour into the forearm to balance the weight of the Kick-Stop in the butt of a R93 synthetic stock.

Depending on where you'll be hunting, the double rifle may not be your best choice when hunting buffalo. I have a double, love it, and would prefer to shoot a buff with it, but in many actual hunting scenarios, creeping up close enough to a herd of buff in the plains of Tanzania, for example, or in other relatively open spots, a limited range double just isn't an option. As a result, having a rifle that will allow you to make a longer shot is sometimes the only way to take a buff. As a result, having both on your hunt, I think, is a great combo, allowing you to adjust your weapon to the circumstances that come your way.
As for a Blaser, I love mine. Here's a pic of a buff my son shot with it about two weeks ago. It was a one-shot kill (.375) and the buff ran about 65 yards before going down.

Look for a LH Winchester Model 70 .375H&H (or 7mmSTW) and re-barrel to .416.

George

Why not get a good LH CRF gun?



from http://www.rbbigbores.com

I sympathize with the lefties because the selection of bolt guns is rather slim. But that should be the perfect excuse for you to get a double instead. Personally if I cannot get close enough to DG to hit it with my double, I am not close enough for it to be dangerous game hunting.

george has the best idea. he's a smart cat. plus i like stainless grains...cow come you cant get close enough? i am not fishing for faults just curious

Walter loves the Blaser, need I say more!!

Dear Mr Geese!

I have shot the R93 Offroad model in.416 Rem, and I most say as a hard core M98 mauser fan, that Blaser has come up with a pretty good concept,HOWEVER, Blaser uses the same stock for all their calibers, which means that the .416Rem has a stout recoil because it`s SO light!. I know Blaser makes recoil mercury transducers to put in the stock, but it will upsett the balance of the gun!. The blaser rifles shoots Very accurate "out of the box" because they have a very fast locktime AND VERY TIGHT CHAMBER TOLERANCES, which is not so good for a DGR.To buy a Blaser for "all around" hunting is okay, but I would buy a HEYM MODEL Light Express in the .416 Remington if it were
"outoftheboxreadyforafricanusewithgoodbalance".

First of all, thanks for your replies. Now, I'm going to answer your posts in order, although some of my responses may apply to several posts. Everyone else, please keep the comments coming.

700, $26k Um what can I say. Good luck man. With the new wife and the rifle. I'll leave it at that.

NE450, I've kicked around the idea of a double for awhile, but it just doesn't make sense for me. ....I think I just heard a cat get run over out on the street... Sorry, back to the subject at hand. If you've got 3 rcvrs and 8 bbls...hey, cool, I didn't even know I could get a shotgun bbl. Anyway, that speaks well for the R93.

Rusty, Great news. No it's not "traditional" but that makes little difference to me. I'll go into more detail in response to Gerry.

Gerry, I was hoping I would hear from a southpaw. I grew up shooting what was available. Levers, RIGHT handed bolts, single shots, etc. I shot my first left handed gun a few years ago when I bought it myself.

Yes, I've already noticed (this is my second post), that their are some on here that have NO idea what a "normal" budget is. Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge anyone their monetary prosperity, if they earned it ethically.

The only "who-gives-a-darn" crowd that I know of are Americans. They'll pretty much tell you get what you want, Win, Rem, Sako, Savage, etc. The rest of the world seems to be of the mindset that "If it isn't a Mauser action it ain't crap". Of course, then there is the Double crowd, which I will never be a part of. I figure by the time a critter gets within the range a double was designed for, my rifle will already be empty, and it's going to be up to the PH from there.

Thanks for your notes on recoil. I can't say I have a lot of experience with big bores, however, I have fired .375H&H, .416 Rigby, and ...drum roll please....450/400NE from an old British exposed hammer double. I have that on at least a few here. The only one that bothered me at all was the CZ in .416. I wouldn't give you a pfennig for that piece of crap hogback stock. I don't dig stocks that come up into my cheek. I don't care what anyone says, a stock that comes up into your cheek is going to cause you to develop a flinch, and it doesn't have to be a big bore.

With that being said, I am looking to order with the kickstop and no recoil pad. The double had niether of course, and the other two had recoil pads. The recoil from them didn't bother me, so I figure the kickstop should be good enough. Anyone that thinks otherwise, again please I would like your thoughts. I should mention that the reasoning I have behind that is that I am only 5'6" tall. Therefore my LOP is shorter than most (13 5/8"). Not a huge difference from standard but, should I decide to sell the rifle in the future, someone could put a 1" pad on it and it would be close to fitting them perfectly. I'll have to wait and see if I need to do anything about the balance when I get it in my paws.

Spring, As stated I don't begrudge your money, but I am jealous of it. It sounds like our thinking is completely lined up. The only way to make a double as versatile as my purposes dictate I would have to put a scope on it. I've seen pictures of people doing this with doubles and the same thing keeps going through my mind. I would like to drag them to Singapore and have that dude with the big stick beat them half to death. It's just my opinion, but scoping a double is sacrilege. I'll be hunting the Matetsi area of Zim. I've only seen a few pics but it looks like pretty open country. BTW, great pic of all three, your son, the buff, and the rifle.

George, I honestly appreciate your opinion. Unfortunately I'm not going to have the time to fart around with having a rifle rechambered, rebarreled, etc. I'm only going to have a couple months to put a bunch of rounds down range and learn to shoot off sticks. I plan to limit my sessions to 3, 3 round groups per shooting day. Should this rifle so much as hiccup before the trip, I'm going to be at the shop picking up a LH Browning in .375H&H. I don't believe everything I see, read, or hear, but I've done enough of those to be sold on the .416 family. That being said, .375H&H is as big as I can go for an off-the-shelf LH rifle. Another huge point is that I'm getting very used to, and like very much, a top tang safety. The other rifle going on this trip is a LH .300WSM Savage. If the crap should hit the fan, I don't want to have to think about where the damn safety is. No matter which of the above rifles I have in my hand I won't have to think "Is it on the left, right, in the middle? Do I have to push forward, pull back?...Is that an Angel?

The Blaser R93 is the best, most reliable, most accurate out-of-the-box rifle I have ever owned, and I own two of them and five barrels, including a .375 H&H Mag.

For the .416, I would recommend a barrel with iron sights for back up, installation of the Kick-Stop tungsten bead recoil reducer (it fits in the buttstock) and installation of a good recoil pad as well.

With the heavy contoured .416 barrel, the balance of your rifle will be perfect with the Kick-Stop installed.

You will not be sorry if you buy the Blaser. If the appys on the Zim PH test (see other thread on this forum) all used Blaser R93s, there would be no rifle failures and no PH failures who could blame their rifles.

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
grains...cow come you cant get close enough? i am not fishing for faults just curious

Answer: I have always gotten close enough. My point is that I am not going to shoot buff or ele at more than 25 yards. Some guys have shot cape buffalo at 200 yards and I cannot imagine why. It would be a disadvantage to be carrying a double if a guy wanted to take a long shot, but that's not my game. And this is the reason I see no disadvantage to using a double with iron sights. In fact at such close range, a double has the advantage of speed over any bolt gun made.

I have shot over 600 Big game animals most of the with the R 93, I have no complaints with with system. It works everytime, very accurate, very reliable.

Aleko

Aleko,

Post a pic of the Scout in .375. That's the most appealing of the Blaser line (IMO).

geese, I have a Blaser and 3 barrels but have always taken a CRF rifle for dangerous game - I wouldn't dicourage you from your choice of Blaser especially if time is short, but bear in mind that any rifle needs torture-testing with rapid and slow cycling etc before heading off to Africa. My experience was salutary - while testing my 9.3x62 I got bang, bang, click and discovered that the bolt had not picked up a cartridge. The problem was that the rubber insert at the front of the mag well was too short and so cartridges were moving forward with recoil and tipping nose up with the base of the cartridge dropping just enough to miss the bolt pick-up. I find that I need a different insert for 9.3 vs 308, and as long as I change the insert when I change barrels and mags the system works well - if you have only one barrel it's likely to be no problem. Personally i would stick with the standard sporter .375 barrel and avoid all the hassle with recoil reducers etc.Charlie.

500 grs,
I have shot buffalo at beyond 250 yards on rare ocassions..You cannot imagine why? because they were big and getting away!! and I killed them...I see no difference in shooting buffalo at 250 yards than shooting deer or elk at 350 yards...however, I have also shot Buffalo at two feet off my barrel in high grass, and thinking back I can't imagine why!!

geese
mrlexema is correct. You NEED the recoil reducer to balance the rifle with the bigger diameter Safari 375 or 416 bbl.
Be sure and get the European QD lever scope mount. You can take it on and off with you thumbs. It goes back to zero 100%.
If the recoil is a bit much just reload some 400grain bullets at 2150fps. Or if you do not reload get Superior Ammo to load them at that velocity for you.
Later when you get back from Africa you can get one of the Blaser bbls for the LRS2, the bull barrels, in 223, 308, 300 win mag etc. They fit the Safari reciever perfectly.
I sighted in my friends 416 Blaser one evening with Iron sights and scope, then proceded to do some rapid fire shooting. I fired 40 rounds in about an hour or so. Recoil is brisk, but not painful. The stock desigh handles the recoil very well. The 416 Safari kicks less than the 375 with the Tracker 19 3/4" bbl. I do not have a recoil reducer in the "tracker".

I highly recommend the Blaser 416.
If I did not have my doubles I would already have a 416 bbl.

I am not left handed.

I own 2 BLASERS and 5 barrels my self. I have the .416 and the .375 if you are worried about recoil magna port it. But you are not recoil shy. buy a BLASER R93 you won't regret it.

Thanks everybody. I'm sold. I'll be ordering that rifle here shortly. One of the reasons is that none of the haters of the gun offered a reason why they hate them. Everybody that loves the gun gave some reasons why. Thanks again, I really appreciate the help, and it was a good welcome to the board.

geese
When you get your Blaser keep us posted on what you think, and how you like it.

Also I will add a Blaser R 93 would make an excellent rifle for a PH who did not have a double rifle.

Tony,
At the moment I only know of one PH that uses a Blaser, and that's Richard Cooke. Richard uses his as a .416, scopeless, as he backs his clients on buff and ele hunts.
Are you aware of any others?

NE450,
I'll do my best to keep you posted, it's going to be about a year before I get to play with my new toy.

That last line you put on there is huge. The R93 has enough features to be very appealing, but dependability and durability are the most important.

500
Here are some photos of the R93 Tracker

.308 WCF


.375 Tracker with Hit Point


Aleko

Aleko,

Thanks for posting the pics.

Thought I should inform you that your Investigate/build-blaser link is not working.

Sorry. I didn't read the part that said your website wouldn't be fully operational for a few weeks. Being illiterate sucks.

Spring
I do not know of any others at this time.
If I "owned" Blaser I would show up at the next Zimbabwe PH shooting tests and furnish each Appie with a Blaser R 93 Safari in their choice of 375 or 416, after giving them a little "school" on the workings of the rifle and letting them shoot one to get the feel of it.
All who used one and passed would get to keep the rifle. It would be great advertisement, and in the future just might save the lives of several clients and PH's.
Of course I might even give the "appies" the choice of a Blaser double rifle.
While the "manual of arms" is a bit different for this one, it does have its good features.
Best of all, it does have 2 triggers and 2 barrels.

Tony,
They need to hire you as their marketing consultant...
The only thing about a Blaser that I think most of us would say is not as good as with a traditional bolt action is the safety. No doubt the Blaser's safety works fine, but in terms of quickly and easily switching the safety on and off, a Blaser does take more effort. How much this might figure into a PH's gun preference I don't know, but considering that most view themselves as the last line of defense on DG, it shouldn't be completely disregarded.
On the other hand, the action of a R93 takes less movement on the part of the shooter than a traditional bolt, so you could give the Blaser an advantage there.
All that said, most PH's have tried and true bolts that have seen the dangers of Africa up close and personal. The charges that Mark Sullivan instigates aren't common in the real world, but the law of averages eventually sets up a quick shot scenario. Would a safety that doesn't as easily click on or off (Actually the "on" is tighter than the "off") reduce the R93's appeal to a guy that makes his living in the bush?

Spring
I think it is just a matter of getting used to your rifle. I have shot mine enough that the cocking on the way up to my shoulder is second nature. Like any control on a new rifle it must be practiced. I have handed my Blaser to guys who can bench several hundred pounds and they had trouble cocking the rifle, but my wife who has practiced with it has no trouble. It feels funny to some people when they first handle it.
After using mine for a while I really like the fact that the rifle is either uncocked, or cocked. After using the Blaser I will convess the cocking mechanism on the Krieghoff double would not be a problem for me.
My K 95 uses the same cocking system.
I wish the Blaser double rifles would "stay cocked" when they are broken open, but once again if you learn your rifle you will have no problems. I have hunted with a hammer double and the Blaser S2 system is a lot faster than 2 hammers.
There is something to be said for having a rifle that you can carry chamber loaded without fear of a safety failure.

Spring,
Thanks for bringing this up. So, am I to understand that the "C" shaped jimmy on the back of the action is not a safety, but rather a cocking/de-cocking thing? One of the reasons I've been looking at the R93 is that I like top tang safeties and I was under the impression that I push that thing forward and I'm ready to shoot. Whether it's a safety or a cocking lever doesn't matter as long as I just push forward to shoot, is that how it works?

quote:

Originally posted by geese:
Spring,
Thanks for bringing this up. So, am I to understand that the "C" shaped jimmy on the back of the action is not a safety, but rather a cocking/de-cocking thing? One of the reasons I've been looking at the R93 is that I like top tang safeties and I was under the impression that I push that thing forward and I'm ready to shoot. Whether it's a safety or a cocking lever doesn't matter as long as I just push forward to shoot, is that how it works?

Yes. That's how it works.

It requires more thumb pressure, however, than a tang safety. A fair amount of leverage is required, so it is best thumbed into the forward, or cocked, position while bringing the rifle up to the shoulder.

I agree with N E 450 No2 that it can be rather easily learned. When coupled with the R93s searless trigger mechanism, it constitutes the safest and most positive firing mechanism available in a bolt action rifle.

Thanks MR.

I cannot work the cocking thingie quickly because my thumb was broken when putting on tire chains.

I don't usually post here because I'm out of my league. I don't own any big bores.

But I'll say this, those Blaser rifles are ugly, and would be the last rifle I'd buy, and if somebody gave me one, I'd sell it.

Sorry if I've offended anybody, but man, there's got to be something else besides a Blaser...

JBabcock
Sometimes form follows function.
I agree they look funny/different/weird etc.
I never thought about one much until I shot one a bit.
It kind of "grew" on me.

Kinda like the Glock... Now I am a Browning 1911 man to the core, but forced to choose between a Beretta, Sig or a Glock, well at first I bad mouthed the Glock....
I shot one for a while.... It is the "second" best combat pistol on the planet.
You live and learn.
NEVER form an opinion with out all the facts.
Do not condem something without full knowledge of the subject.
Even though something may not work for you, does not mean it is not good for most others.
Case in point, the Scout Scope. After you have used one and fully under stand its advantages you might be amazed, however it does not work to its full potential for me, I am right handed, left eye dominate.
Same for Double Rifles as all purpose hunting rifles. Until you have used one for a while you have no concept of their superority.
Some people believe what they want to believe, others live, experiment, and learn, and try to enlighten others.
For instannce the Blaser R 93, I am a convert because IT has proven itself to me.
Likewise if I wanted to use a bolt rifle other than a Blaser I would, based in Allen Days comments on the Echols Legend, buy one with COMPLETE confidence. I would have NO FEAR knowing that the Echols would WORK.
There are a lot of knowledgeable people on AR. There are a lot of opinionated people on AR.
There are a lot of opinionated without the facts people on AR.
It is up to us to sort out the difference.

I must confess that I never did like, at least until I shot one, the two piece stock look of the R93. Now, having owned one for years on end, I kind of do like it.

And the synthetic, or off-road, version, is no uglier--if you'll pardon me--than any other plastic stocked rifle.

So, I'll make you a deal. Don't call my rifles ugly, and I won't question your wife's beauty or the intelligence of your children.

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Kinda like the Glock... Now I am a Browning 1911 man to the core, but forced to choose between a Beretta, Sig or a Glock, well at first I bad mouthed the Glock....
I shot one for a while.... It is the "second" best combat pistol on the planet.
You live and learn.

In my opinion the Blaser is an elegant rifle with modern refinment that makes it as practical as it is good looking. Currently I am thinking it is time to buy an Attache', but the R93 Stutzen just may out do it! The safety is great in my opinion, it is fast and easy to use. For novice shooters it takes some practice, but think of the reversed safety on the legendary ZKK 602 is is backwards! It is all learning how to use the rifle.

Aleko

Gentlemen,

Talk of this Blaser Tracking model struck my interest. Knowing very little about it, I thought I'd check around. I keep getting information that it's as dangerous to the shooter as the game. Is this BS or is there any merit to the complaints/injuries?

http://www.deportiro.com/english_articles/al10_english_version.shtml

Gary

Charles Helm
In a World of Compromise... Some Men Don't.
I am a long time H&K Man too. Especially their rifles. However I had a P9S in 45 ACP and a P7 9mm for a while. Never a problem with anyof them.
I have shot some of their newer pistols but not a lot.
I have killed several turkey, deer and antelope with a H&K 91, and have fired several, several thousand rounds through MP5, 53, 33k, 93, G3SG1,PSG1, SL90 and others with numbers I can't remember, and my favorite the 91.
I have even fired a "51" a fair amount.
I had an SL7 for a while, but I let it go because I just plain like the 91.
H&K makes good stuff.
In fact I have been using an H&K made magazine for the AR 223 in my Commando.
I fired several hundred rounds through it recently at a school in LA. Finally a quality Mag for the AR type rifles.