Maybe some of you have seen this but here is a link to the new Remington Mausers. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_798.asp

Larry

They were also listed in the latest Jerry's Wholesale Gun Catalog my FFL buddy has. Price was pretty steep if I remember correctly.

This may become the remington rifle of the future, other than the price, probably a pretty good working gun. Although I'm not much on laminated stocks, a mauser in a laminated stock not a bad working gun.

I examined the M798 in the Remington booth at the SHOT Show. The rifle I handled did not quite live up to the marketing hype on the website.

I opened the bolt and was greeted by eau de cosmoline, something I have not smelled for many a year now. Apparently they come coated with it from Europe, and whoever does the assembly hasn't learned how to get that crud off.

jim

The MSRP prices listed at the SHOT show did not look very high to me. I liked the stocks, even though laminated, it wasn't obvious and the color and finish looked real nice to me. I very much doubt if they will become "the Remington rifle of the future". From what I understand, the barreled actions come assembled from Europe and are installed into the stocks in the US. I got to play around with the ones at the show quite a bit and wasn't all that impressed. The bolt handle is like the ones on the cz's, to small and tight to the stock. The action of the bolt wasn't very smooth. Of course a gunsmith can probably take care of that stuff. The model 700 is SOOOOOOOOOO much smoother. I couldn't find a smoother bolt action at the show than the fresh out of the box 700's.

Copied from their site ""The long-action Model 798â„¢ (square-bridge Mauser 98)""????

Yea the price compared to CD is boolsheet!!

Maybe it's just my tastes but why the hell would Remington bother if they aren't going to make the thing remotely traditional? How about a flag safety (or 3-position), red pad, open sights, maybe a straight bolt, and a stock with more classic geometry!

JMHO,

John

Square-bridge Mauser?? Does anyone at Remington know anything about guns anymore?



George

Geo, I noticed the square bridge comment on the site also, you'd think they would know a little about it.

I think once they hit walmart, they will sell a bunch of them, but if I'm wrong it won't be the first time.

yeah... <yawn>... it was in their catalog and at the shot show....


would think that means it'll get here REALLY quick... like the spartans...

jeffe

Let me hold my breath.

You know, I should just get a 12ga Stoeger coach gun, and make up some real light 12gaFH shorts(that would so get the wow factor with 16" barrels!!). Thats what I think about the Spartans. Oh wait, we were talking about the Zastava. Like I posted in the med bores forum...

The price thing is not surprising at all. You know, all this will do is drive up the going rate for surplus 1908, 09, VZ24's since folks who might have considered paying $400 for a CD, now might pay that price for a surplus so they dont have to give big green any of their cash. Why mess with it, you can get a CZUSA 458 for $700 and change.

Ohh brother... I tell you... buy them while you can before Remington cheapens them with each passing year. Though Remington doesn’t manufacture them, they do have their financial hands in them, and as far as I am concerned... everything Remington touches now seemingly turns to $hit

maybe the guys putting thought into Remington 798 guns are of the same ilk as the guys advising Bush on who should run our ports.

Gentlemen:

If you simply e-mail Remington about any errors you find on their website, they will be happy to correct them.
I pointed something out recently, and the error was changed immediately.

Please share your wealth of knowledge with Remington so the product is presented in the best possible light, inviting more people to buy it and get them out into the marketplace.

Your input is invaluable and would be most helpful in making sure the world has more 'CRF' actions to use, regardless of the name or country of origin.
Thank you.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Square-bridge Mauser?? Does anyone at Remington know anything about guns anymore?



George

George.....if you want to read Boolscheet look at what they say about the mini mauser

specifically the "claw extractor, uses '98 mauser scope mounts, available in 22-250, and they're calling this a '98 mauser as well.

Good news is that they're making it available in .222

What is the price of the 798? I don't see it anywhere. If it's more than $400, it's too much.

I certainly don't like the stock, and unfortunately the descriptions and errors throughout the catalog appear to have been written by some marketing-type, not someone knowledgeable about firearms. Reeks of yet another formerly great company that has lost its way.

Well they're not going to import the left handed versions so they're of no interest to me.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
yeah... <yawn>... it was in their catalog and at the shot show....


would think that means it'll get here REALLY quick... like the spartans...

jeffe

No S*))*, I will wear out my Ruger RSM just in time to get one. Remington, it seems, only has bean counters and salesman left.

It's easy to scoff, complain, or whatever here.
It's better to contact Remington directly and make those points.

Let them know what you want.
Let them know what mistakes are being made in their catalog.
Let them know what you think about 'bean counters'.

This is a great opportunity to share your knowledge with Remington and further the cause of making fine firearms available to us all.
In other words - quit bitching about it on an internet forum and contact the company!

for the life of me i cant undrstand what all the crying is about, all remington is doing is importing the rifles instead of charles daly. as far as im oncerned is great that a major manufactor is keeping the 98 alive. and for the working class a affordable magnum action will still be availble to build that big bore.

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Originally posted by ehoover:
for the life of me i cant undrstand what all the crying is about, all remington is doing is importing the rifles instead of charles daly. as far as im oncerned is great that a major manufactor is keeping the 98 alive. and for the working class a affordable magnum action will still be availble to build that big bore.

Hoover, my impression is that the quality might be the same, the price might not be(I.E. HIGHER).

Even though their advertising geeks don't seem to know their square bridges from their butts I still am glad someone big is finally importing the Yugo M-98 actions and rifles and if Fall Apart carries them cheaply then they will be avaliable for a long time.

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Originally posted by BusMaster007:
It's easy to scoff, complain, or whatever here.
It's better to contact Remington directly and make those points.

Let them know what you want.
Let them know what mistakes are being made in their catalog.
Let them know what you think about 'bean counters'.

This is a great opportunity to share your knowledge with Remington and further the cause of making fine firearms available to us all.
In other words - quit bitching about it on an internet forum and contact the company!

Folks, even Busmaster007 will tell you, I don't often agree with everything he posts. In this case, however, he is right on target, IMO! The place to lodge complaints about the errors on their web-site is at the Big Green desk! These forum discussions do have an effect,because all manufacturers lurk these forums, but it seems Remington only reads the ones they want to hear. The forum effect is not as much as shouting in their faces, dirrectly!

They need to know that nobody will buy their 375H&H, and 458 Win Mag rifles with whippy, slick, barrels! Iron sights are a must. On the big bores they need to loose that monti-carlo hump on that ugly stock, and get it down so Iron sights can be used, as well as a scope.

They need to add the 416 Rem in the Safari line up,along with the 375 H&H, 458 Win Mag, and 458 LOTT, as well. The ULMS, ULTRAs and the like need to hit the cutting floor, and replaced with more traditional cartridges, that made Remington a great company, before they sold their soul to WAL-MART!

Maybe there will be a Remington Custom Shop option with features that are not offered on the production 798s. Perhaps, someone who is in touch with Remington could check?

Well, if the Win. M70 does disappear, it would be nice to have a CRF alternative to the REM M700 placed on the market by a firm that appears to be here for the foreseeable future.......

IF you fellers had consulted the "SPECIFICATIONS" page on that REM. website, you'd have seen that the price is.... $599!

Not bad, these days!

$599? I'll take an FN Deluxe.

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They need to know that nobody will buy their 375H&H, and 458 Win Mag rifles with whippy, slick, barrels! Iron sights are a must. On the big bores they need to loose that monti-carlo hump on that ugly stock, and get it down so Iron sights can be used, as well as a scope.

That's true. But...If they feed well enough, they're not a bad starting point for someone who likes to tinker and customize their rifles.

If Remington manages to get this project off the ground and the rifles are available I'm thinking of getting a 375 and a 458 Winnie to play with. For the prices I've seen, they're attractive enough...

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The place to lodge complaints about the errors on their web-site is at the Big Green desk!

Normally I'd agree with this wholeheartedly. However these are not the type of errors caused by omission, typing, spelling or other understandable human frailty. These errors are of blatant misunderstanding of the product they're selling.

If it was just the error in calling it a "square bridge" action I might understand.....but the list of errors and the quality of errors are of a company that either don't give a shit or thinks they can say anything and the customer is dumb enough to buy it.

Years ago I sent an email to Browning telling them that their 28 Ga citori didn't have a 3" chamber and they fixed it and sent me a browning cap. Several little things was changed at the Browning website because of emails I sent them. These errors however did not represent incompetence by Browning to me as they were easily understandably errors.....This is not at all the case at the Remington website.

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I couldn't find a smoother bolt action at the show than the fresh out of the box 700's.

You must be joking! Everything is smoother than a Remington!

Actually Remingtons can be quite smooth... if you remove the magazine follower...

Or relieve the follower where it rubs on the underside of the bolt...

You want "smooth??? Buy a Springfielt-Krag.

AllanD

Thanks, MacD37, for understanding the gist of my post.
I'm "merely suggesting" that the collective knowledge and experience on this particular Forum is such that Remington and ALL OF US can only benefit from our contacting them.
Be real. Be polite. Be 'e-mailing' them!
DO IT.
You guys are GOOD!
Remington NEEDS the contact.
WE need the contact.
Our CHILDREN need it!
Thanks to you all.

.

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a company that either don't give a shit or thinks they can say anything and the customer is dumb enough to buy it.

Probably both, I'm afraid. And, with the exception of people who frequent forums such as this one, I'm afraid they are correct in assuming MOST people who read their copy wouldn't know a square-bridge Mauser from the Brooklyn bridge......

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I'm thinking of getting a 375 and a 458 Winnie to play with. For the prices I've seen, they're attractive enough...

The price I've seen on the website is about 800 bucks retail (375 and 458). Even allowing for a healthy discount , I think the big calibers are going to be priced well over what the market will bear .

Visited a local dealer here yesterday and he had a Chas Daly 06 with the tupperware stock on the shelf ,marked about $340 . I bet you never see one of these guns marked Remington for that sort of price.......

Here is one you can buy at the old price. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemn...20Daly,375H&H,magnum

Larry

sdgunslinger

I have a buddy that bought a bunch of the CD's with synthetic stock and is selling them for under $300. not sure what calibers he has left.

fla3006 nailed it as far as the true Mauser crowd goes; why would I want a Zastava with Remingington stamped all over it when there are thousands of FNs and J.C. Higgins and Husqvarnas (to mention a few) out there for $200-300 less? That leaves only the curious and the ignorant (literally, not insultingly) for a market.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
fla3006 nailed it as far as the true Mauser crowd goes; why would I want a Zastava with Remingington stamped all over it when there are thousands of FNs and J.C. Higgins and Husqvarnas (to mention a few) out there for $200-300 less? That leaves only the curious and the ignorant (literally, not insultingly) for a market.

tiggertate, I only used your words to make a point, not as a personal attack on you, so please don't take it that way.



"J.C. Higgins"?
I have a .22LR bolt-action with that on it.
It's a MARLIN. A model 81, to be exact.

I also have a "SEARS 2C" .22 rifle.
It's a Winchester Model 131.

A J.C.Higgins is a true Mauser, more so than a 'Remington' made by Zastava?
C'mon!

I think some of you guys are rifle snobs, period.
So much so that you hold a blind prejudice against one company, that being Remington.
As if you would rather see this venture fail than succeed to satisfy your own selfish, twisted hatred of a company...much to the detriment of us all.
Some would construe that as a kind of 'bigotry'.
HARSH WORDS? YES.
There are plenty of examples in the world of firearms that have different names than that of the mfg.

What I've tried to suggest in a good way is that if we take this opportunity to assist Remington in getting the guns described correctly, they will sell more of the product and perhaps take some of the suggestions to the point of improving the product and offering more calibers.
The basic action is pretty good, from what I've read here and other places.
Let's get more of them available for future products and introducing new shooters to the virtues of 'CRF'/Mauser actions... ...yes, I actually said that!

Simply cranking off "Remington sucks and they're stupid" shows a type of arrogance that doesn't do any of us any good at all.
Actually DOING something about it shows the good natured intelligence the Members of this Forum are capable of.

Brother, I just had to say that.
Too bad I didn't have a beer while ranting!

Yeah, like the reply to my post in this forum "SCORE!"
about the Rem700 in 375H&H I "found" in my favorite hardware store and my brother bought on the spot...

Hey, a Rem 375H&H classic with a 3.5-10 Leupold VX-III
on it for $800?

lets see a $500 some-odd scope on a what? $800 rifle for...
$800? how do you walk away from that? answer: you don't!

But today I log on to find a post suggesting that my brother spend several hundred having a Sako extractor fitted, replacing the Remington trigger (I think Remington triggers when properly adjusted are the best made)
and that he have the bolt handle "reinforced" to prevent the "weak" "Solder joint" from failing....

To say I was about ready to pop a gasket on that guy would be an understatement....
I have NEVER had a problem with any remington rifle I've owned.....

Some people have to get their cranial rectal inversion treated....

AllanD

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
But today I log on to find a post suggesting that my brother spend several hundred having a Sako extractor fitted, replacing the Remington trigger (I think Remington triggers when properly adjusted are the best made)
and that he have the bolt handle "reinforced" to prevent the "weak" "Solder joint" from failing....
AllanD

Allan,
Those are all known problems with the Remington 700, and Remington has been sued repeatedly over accidental discharges related to the trigger design.
You can search this and other forums for tales of failures of Remingtton extractors and bolt handles. I've never had any problems with my (seven) Remington 700s, but I know people who have had their hunts ruined by the problems mentioned above.

George