375 H&H



375 Ruger

Chuck,

I know---You are madly in love with Rosie, you just can't help yourself!!!

Hip

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Originally posted by Hipshoot:
Chuck,

I know---You are madly in love with Rosie, you just can't help yourself!!!

Hip

Oh God the secrets out!

Hahaha

Owned and hunted with both. I would keep the H&H simply because it feeds better.

Damn, I need to constantly remind myself that 40 Ft/S bullet velocity and 100 Ft-lb Bullet Energy is what makes one cartridge akin to Thor's Hammer and the other a worthless POS destined for the trash heap of obsolete and obscurity. Well at least the 375 H&H earned its nostalgia. RIP old Hoss.

Since I have 2 H&Hs and zero rugers I know which I am keeping

I would choose the H&H due to the fact that H&H stands for Horn & Hardart---a chain of automat restaurants in NYC.

GREAT FOOD!!! YUM,YUM,YUM

Hip

The logic on here sometimes amazes me .

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The logic on here sometimes amazes me .

Well, the logic certainly is entertaining here. Science and critical thinking be damned all to hell.

Logic? what logic?

Bottom line on this subject is "who gives a fat rats ass which one someone picks?"

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Bottom line on this subject is "who gives a fat rats ass which one someone picks?"

Wow! Since Covid ended and everyone pretty much put on the pounds, it makes sense that it's now a FAT rat's ass!

I’m with Chuck

For goodness sake, from 375H&H up, pick the rifle that fits you and you shoot well!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Logic? what logic?

Bottom line on this subject is "who gives a fat rats ass which one someone picks?"

I'm with Ray!

It's like what color panties should I wear today!

Hip

did I say I love the 300 H&H, but they have yet to come out with the 300 Ruger!! Hope not!! Name it the 300 "pendajo"

Re: Pendejo
The 300 Win Mag pretty well settled the .300 H&H debate.

We're all pendajos on this bus.

Like the 300PRC settled the 300 Win Mag debate? No?

Just to follow up, I opted for the H&H.

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Originally posted by BwanaCat:
Like the 300PRC settled the 300 Win Mag debate? No?

Which caliber, the early 300 H&H, or the 300 Win mag, became the most popular ? And what is the PRC?

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Originally posted by 458Win:

Which caliber, the early 300 H&H, or the 300 Win mag, became the most popular ? And what is the PRC?

Surely you jest knowing that's the 30-375 Ruger.

Mr. Shoemaker Kind Sir, to be clear, I have no argument with your liking the 300 Win Mag over the 300 H&H. My contention is 100-125fps one way or the other doesn't impress me as being a vastly superior killer of game, combat enemies or criminals. Now "popularity" is an entirely different discussion (never mind shooter ability, bullet accuracy and performance).

I see the 300 Win Mag as slightly ballistically better than the 300 H&H and slightly less than the 300 PRC. Others may disagree. Just so you know I no longer shoot the 300 magnums because these days I like hunting with 7x57, 30-06, 375 H&H Magnum and 416 Remington Magnum. They all kill game dead enough for me.

Btw, I'm guessing the 300 H&H (available 1925 in America), 300 Win Mag (1963), and 300 PRC (2018) are the same "caliber"(.308) so will run with "rifle cartridge" for the sake of conversation.

There is no doubt the 300 Win Mag is a much more popular rifle cartridge than the 300 H&H due to numerous factors like American vs British economics, product availability, production location, marketing, time and rifle cartridge technology. The 300 Win Mag is a proven field/bush hunting and sniper rifle cartridge. Yet, I do not know to what degree/percent the 300 Win Mag kills so much better than the 300 H&H.

The 300 Win Mag is currently outselling the 300 PRC too. However, that is about to change mostly due to time, marketing, rifle cartridge technology, hunting and Military/LEO use. Young bucks will in time go for the latest and greatest chicks dig it rifle cartridge as the 300 PRC becomes more available and they gain experience using it and hearing about it.

There is no doubt that the 300 PRC is already as "popular" as the 300 Win Mag at long range shooting matches no matter its only five-year existence and covid production/supply issues. Further, now that the military and LEO tactical units are helping the 300 PRC become known. Nothing like a splendid little war or two, gun writers and hot chicks to increase sales. The 55-year head start the 300 Win Mag has enjoyed over the 300 PRC will mean nothing 20 years from now. To be sure, I do not know if the 300 PRC will kill much better than the other two magnum rifle cartridges above, but it will certainly be more "popular."

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And what is the PRC?

Phil: It stands for Precision Rifle Cartridge (PRC) (NOT PEOPLE'S REPUBIC OF CHINA ). It can be found in such recent calibers as the 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, and the 7mm PRC. These were developed by Hornady. The 300 PRC was tested and selected by the U.S. Department of Defense for its extended long range sniper program. The 6.5 PRC is considered to be the big brother of the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm PRC is considered to be the ultimate in the 7mm group of calibers.

PRC. It's all in the marketing, Bro.

Yes I know what the 30PRC is and why it was developed. This thread, like so many others on these forums, typically devolve into a free for all with no bearing toward the original question.

My comment and opinion about the 375 caliber is that the 375 Ruger will eventually supplant the archaic 375 H&H in overall popularity for the same reasons the 300 Win overtook the 300 H&H. It’s a more modern case, fits easily into standard actions and the rifles are cheaper .

If there was no Ruger involvement would Hornady have called the cartridge the .375 PRC instead of the 375 Ruger ?

I can't recall this much pointless BS, since the birth of AR..A new number 1 champion thread.

Mr. Atkinson, surely you jest. You should review the 235-page thread regarding 458 Win vs 458 Lott before crowning a new BS champion thread. Although there is some great information in there. Heck, we have a long way to go before this rabbit hole thread rivals that one.

Where to start? How to safely get 150 fps with the 375 Ruger vs 375 H&H (all things being equal) more velocity using 300grain bullets. Or maybe, why old antiquated belted magnum rifle cartridges suck (especially ones with short necks ) as compared to "modern" rifle cartridges. Why modern cartridges kill better and make up for rifleman incompetence. Why 5-6 more grains of powder in the 375 Ruger doesn't increase recoil. I'm only kidding.

Btw, please know that I'm only kidding you. There is some good information in lots of these forum threads. Other threads here help the reader escape reality by making for good entertainment and enjoyment. Crazy stuff. Cheers! Ciao.

Brothers.
( Front ) Winchester M70 .375 H&H
Pedigree. Civility and class. Impeccable behaviour. The unremarkable achiever.


( Front ) Ruger M77 Hawkeye, 375 Ruger
The newcomer. Bit of a standout among peers and wants everybody to know it. Great performance for a "shorty". Maybe not a legend yet, but one day ....


One of each and love them both. They won't be parted. I hope Mr. Atkinson does not think that inappropriate !

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Originally posted by 30.06king:
If there was no Ruger involvement would Hornady have called the cartridge the .375 PRC instead of the 375 Ruger ?

Perhaps Hornady will do a 338 PRC on a necked down 375 Ruger. I have always thought Ruger should have.

Barnes #4 manual gives no ballistic advantage to the .375 Ruger over the .375 H&H, both from 24" test barrels. At the most no more than a few fps one way or the other. But it's obvious that in some instances, a particular powder works best in the H&H, at others a distinct powder works best in the Ruger, and so on.

But, at least in this part of the world, components for shooting: ammo, new brass cases for reloads and dies favor the H&H by far. Over a year ago, I was looking at a Savage in .375 Ruger. The price was right, it had a heavy fluted stainless 23 or 24 inch barrel with a brake, camo stock and was nice looking - yet a bit too heavy and long. But the real killer for me was that they had no brass, ammo or dies! In Canada, to have to wait for those items to get on an order list (once per year), wait for it to be processed in the USA, be delivered to the Canadian border Customs, where it has to pass inspection along with thousands of $$$ of multiple items, be picked up at customs, included in inventory on a computer, published, etc, could take well over a year... and then some!

So I passed!

Three weeks ago, at the same dealer, I picked up a new .375 H&H in left-hand for 2/3 the cost of that Savage, and 3 bags of Remington brass, dies and 3 boxes of bullets. I'm all set to go to the range as soon as the weather warms up and the snow disappears.

At least, in some parts the H&H is much better known and accepted than the .375 Ruger. Even at the range where I've been a member for 35 years, and with over 1000 members, I venture that not more than 1 in 10 would know what a .375 Ruger is. The .375 H&H? 1 in 3. And a certain number of the membership are safari goers.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Keep the 375H&H, then find a 300H&H and 458Lott on the same model rifle. Preferably Model 70 CRFs. All will be the same manual of arms including length of bolt throw. It's the proper way.

30-06 King,
You surgically removed all the nostalgia from your 375s! they could have been Rugers!

I know my 300 H&H is an outdated old whore, but shes my whore!

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
375 H&H in a Model 70

And built by Hoffman Arms

Sold My LH Win 70 375 H&H and LH Rem 700 375 H&H bought a LH Ruger SS 375 Ruger have never missed the 375 H&H like the case design better in the 375 Ruger

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Originally posted by kk alaska:
Sold My LH Win 70 375 H&H and LH Rem 700 375 H&H bought a LH Ruger SS 375 Ruger have never missed the 375 H&H like the case design better in the 375 Ruger

I like the .375 H&H case better! The dealer where I bought my H&H had four Remington sealed bags of .375 H&H brass - I bought three of them. Nada for any .375 Ruger brass!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

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Originally posted by .458 Only:

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Originally posted by kk alaska:
Sold My LH Win 70 375 H&H and LH Rem 700 375 H&H bought a LH Ruger SS 375 Ruger have never missed the 375 H&H like the case design better in the 375 Ruger

I like the .375 H&H case better! The dealer where I bought my H&H had four Remington sealed bags of .375 H&H brass - I bought three of them. Nada for any .375 Ruger brass!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

.375 Ruger brass is hard to find. I handload and when I obtained my .375 Ruger I was looking everywhere I could for brass, new or already fired. I could not find new but with help from some good guys did find bit and pieces of once fired brass to get started. The remaining brass quantity I wanted was obtained by buying Hornady ammo and breaking it down for brass and bullets. It's not difficult to find ammo which appears to be in good supply.

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Originally posted by 30.06king:

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Originally posted by .458 Only:

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Originally posted by kk alaska:
Sold My LH Win 70 375 H&H and LH Rem 700 375 H&H bought a LH Ruger SS 375 Ruger have never missed the 375 H&H like the case design better in the 375 Ruger

I like the .375 H&H case better! The dealer where I bought my H&H had four Remington sealed bags of .375 H&H brass - I bought three of them. Nada for any .375 Ruger brass!
case
Bob
www.bigbores.ca

.375 Ruger brass is hard to find. I handload and when I obtained my .375 Ruger I was looking everywhere I could for brass, new or already fired. I could not find new but with help from some good guys did find bit and pieces of once fired brass to get started. The remaining brass quantity I wanted was obtained by buying Hornady ammo and breaking it down for brass and bullets. It's not difficult to find ammo which appears to be in good supply.

But at what cost? I'd expect that one box of 20 in .375 Ruger would go at least $100 + tax here in Canada! $5 per shot!!! Then how many reloads? The 150 new Remington cases I bought was about $1.50 per case + tax. Less than $200 for 150 cases which will last me until I'm done shooting.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca