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| Did he say whether this 4-bore was designed for black powder or smokeless cartridges? |
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| And its Left handed......got to love that!
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| It is designed for smokeless powder. Butch has made several in stainless steel.Nice gun!!! |
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| I assume these 4 bores are following the CIP standard. And, Now, with a 4 bore standard, I wonder if we might see more builders and perhaps some blue collar single shots? |
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| Actually the Searcy and Owen 4 bores have different diameters. See comments on the other post about Searcy 4 bore at the Reno SCI show. |
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| At what point do you cross the line into absurdity? We gotta be getting close.
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| MJ,
you want one. You know you do. Just pony up the dough and order one...
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| quote: Originally posted by ROSCOE:
And its Left handed......got to love that!
Ditto's Roscoe I noticed it immediately, most lefties have a superior eye when it comes to picking up a Lt. handed rifle in a pic or on a table with other rifles
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| Butch sent me pix a bit ago of an underlever 577 he was finishing up for a client. Very cool...made me think about that classic design for a DR. |
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| quote: At what point do you cross the line into absurdity? We gotta be getting close.
Some, a vry few, actually did hunt with a 4 bore. Maybe, in general they were smaller in diameter firing conical bullets of 1/4 pound. But, nit picking aside, there is history to the four bore. I would not call it absurd. There is nothing in the record of any 'sucessful' working 2 bore, elephant rifle. Failed experiments all. So, there is my threshold. IMHO, only. I would say, when shooters begin substituting aluminum bullets or sabots like rounds to turn a bad idea into something shootable. Thats my other limit, again IMHO. |
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| quote: Originally posted by MJines:
At what point do you cross the line into absurdity? We gotta be getting close.
Which is more absurd, owning a single four bore or owning a few dozen rifles of something less than four bore? 
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| . . . I can hunt with any one of the dozen rifles of calibers less than four bore, I cannot with a double four bore . . . without a limber or a caisson. Pull that baby out of case and watch the tracker's eyes bug out when he realizes he gets to carry it.
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| "Elegance" is not the word that springs to mind...
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| The fat lady singing comes to mind ... and the bugeyes of MJines' tracker/gunbearer was hilarious!  |
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| Hope Butch hires a decent engraver for this one! |
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| quote: "Elegance" is not the word that springs to mind...
I have examined both 4 and 8 bore original guns and they did not look so bulky. The 8 bore is reasonably proportioned- almost practical by comparison. Better or worse, I believe the older bbls ran slightly longer. I only in person handled one 4 bore, it was an H&H and that must have been with lighter bbls and frame or maybe it was one of the high performance 4bores which ran closer to 0.9(~6bore). The 0.9 bore allows both slimmer guns and longer more efficient 1/4 pound bullets. It was still a very heavy gun. Todays builders and customers seem to have the idea the only true 4-bore is 1 inch. Those were mostly round ball guns. I think this market is driven by the desire to be big, more than the desire to hunt or even shoot. If that is the new std, thats fine with me - at least we have a standard. |
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| Bijou,
hows about posting some of your work in the new custom rifles forum?
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| Mike has done at least 8 Custom Big Bores to My specs from 416-600 Overkill,the latest being "TEMBO" the 600 Overkill  . His work is Flawless and he listens to your wants and needs! Just a Plug for a good guy who does it all from scratch in a reasonable time period for reasonable prices-what more could one want??!!  (And he will load the ammo for that rifle to the best of its ability!) "TEMBO".600OK 
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| Holy crap !! I want that one too. Beautiful 600! |
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| Wonder who got stuck regulating it
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| quote: I took mine to Africa twice and it wasnt heavy at all!(for me!) Wink(See Pic)...I just carried my Light lil 9pd 600 Overkill! Eeker
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| Thats a nice rifle It looks more like a shotgun |
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| To MJines, My opinion for absurd is over true four bore, 1.052". That's why the two bore threads don't even excite me, them at 1.325" for a true 2B according to: http://www.hallowellco.com/bore_size_chart.htm
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| quote: My opinion for absurd is over true four bore, 1.052".
That's why the two bore threads don't even excite me,
I agree, absurd is one thing, but optimum/balance/proportion is yet another. Sadly, if; there was any serious interest in shooting or hunting with the old "bores" you would read more about 0.85 to 0.93. That is where the rubber hit the road. Either the 8 bore, or the "TRUE" 4bore that fired 1/4 pound bullets in 0.9-0.93 bores. Whole situation reminds me of all those shiloh sharps in 45/120 or so-called 50/140. If they offered a 45/200 someone would want that too. At a glance, you can SEE the difference between origional guns and modern. Like silicon boobs vs the real woman.  |
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