Someplaces the 9,3 is counted the smallest legal calibre for Afeica, but for the rest, the .375 is the minimum.
But is it any .375? Will even a .375 Winchester be considered legal against the big5?

I don't need people to tell me it is not powerfull enough, or that the guide will not let you, I am after the text of the law and how it works in real life.

Bent, the bore size would be legal, however, in Zimbabwe, at least, there is a muzzel energy requirement as well, and the 375 Win wouldn't even come close! Some one here will have the exact numbers you are looking for, but I don't have them in my files, as I never use anything on DG that I would need to look that close!
You might be allowed by the PH, but I doubt it, the game ranger, will most likely not ask!

Hope that helps!

It's best to check with your PH.....he just may have a requirement of his own!!!!!

From the reports I have the caliber is regulated in most countries but almost never inforced so if your PH says it's OK to hunt with 338 Mag then you can use it!....if he says that he won't take you unless you have at least a .416 then that's the rules you're playing with.

I'd far rather get my marching orders from the guy that is responsible for my butt!

Zimbabwe requires roughly 3900 FtLbs of ME and a minimum of 9.3 diameter. Tanzania requires a minimum of .375 diameter and approximatley 3800 FtLbs of ME.

Those are two I've looked up.

This is why the ole .45-70 isn't technically legal to use in those countries.

It doesn't make the FPE requirements.

sooooo 405's @ 2050

The benchmark is the .375H&H cartridge; the .375Wby., .375RUM, .378Wby., and others would also be considered legal.

I do not believe the regs consider the .375Winchester, .375Whelen, .38-55, .375-.284, etc. do be suitable (rifle) rounds for taking the 'Big Five', and Africa is the wrong place to try to argue semantics with an official of the wildlife agency.

George

boom stick,
3775 ft.lbs is pretty damn close. I can't believe they would keep you from hunting with that load.

Unfortnetly,numbers taken for the cartridges that are on the "LEGAL" list are, the numbers from factory ammo, not handloads. If those numbers happen to have been taken from winchester ammo,that is safe for trapdoor Springfield, then, as far as the officials go, those are the numbers for all 45-70 Gov factory ammo!


As GeorgeS says below!

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Africa is the wrong place to try to argue semantics with an official of the wildlife agency.

George

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I know I am deviating from the original question of different 375 calibers not being equal or some not legal. FYI-as stated above, it's not a law that's usually enforced, it's basically up to the PH. I've never talked with any PH (probably around 20-25 different PH's over the years) that operate in countries that have a 375 caliber regulation that ever kept a client from using a 9.3 caliber. They would have a lot of European and some US hunters cussing mad, and they tell me they don't see any terminal difference on dead critters shot with 375 or 9.3

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Originally posted by boom stick:
sooooo 405's @ 2050

Boomie,

Wellllllll A .366 is legal but not a .358..

As I've said before I couldn't give a Kentucky fried shit what you use. I’m just stating the regs.

And if you really want to use the damn thing get after it.

45-70, 375/45-70 and 30/45-70

i wonder how fast the 375/45-70 could be thrown in an altered oal marlin

http://www.cpcartridge.com/45-70ruger-P.htm

ruger #1 loads 400@ 2150

thats 4107 f.p.e.

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ruger #1 loads 400@ 2150

thats 4107 f.p.e.

Sounds like you band of 45-70ers have found your solution. Now go get er done.

Thanks for all replys, it was the energy requirement I was after, first and foremost with the 375.Whelen in mind.

the 300 gr 375 traveling at 2400 fps is getting 3838 fpe and the 375 whelen can do that. some go to 2500 but are probably loading the bullet out. so yes the 375 whelen is a go!

http://www.z-hat.com/375%20Hawk.htm

here is a hawk load with 300 @ 2400

In any case I wouldn't think that you'd get any guff from anybody if you showed up with a .375 Whelen.

o.k. the 375/45-70 has 76.6 grains of water (over 12 grains more than the 06 case) and the 30/45-70 has about the same (shoulder higher up but smaller neck)

can someone tell me what these will do performance wise at 40,000 and 45,000 psi in a 22" barrel???