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Originally posted by JTEX:
I can't agree with it. Sorry.

I'm a flat tax advocate, same rate for every single citizen.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I can't agree with it. Sorry.

I'm a flat tax advocate, same rate for every single citizen.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I can't agree with it. Sorry.

I'm a flat tax advocate, same rate for every single citizen.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I can't agree with it. Sorry.

I'm a flat tax advocate, same rate for every single citizen.

Same here.


Progressive taxation with the guise of “because they can afford it” ends up being class warfare and wealth transfer.

As far as realpolitik goes it’s doable, but I’m against it.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/09...hy-house-republicans

Don't worry, Steve, you aren't impacted

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I can't agree with it. Sorry.

I'm a flat tax advocate, same rate for every single citizen.

Same here.

Progressive taxation with the guise of “because they can afford it” ends up being class warfare and wealth transfer.

As far as realpolitik goes it’s doable, but I’m against it.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
As one who has some records of taxation in the 50’s and 60’s at higher income levels, do you really know what folks were paying?

I am pretty sure that my great grandfather and grandfather were not “the exception” back then. With deductions and various accounting practices used then, I don’t think they ever paid 10% tax rate overall. They were well within the top 1% back then. (Yes, my family’s fortunes have fallen considerably since then). While their top marginal rate should have been north of 70%, they never got close to what I pay now for a much lower place in the income earner levels.

Somehow despite this, we were able to afford one of the largest militaries ever built, dramatically enlarged public infrastructure and generally avoided large public debt as a percentage of GDP.

As it is now, despite much higher rates, the moguls at the top, like Gates, Bezos, and Buffett pay way less percentage of income than folks like I do, and yet your answer is a drumbeat of “raise tax rates”….

The professional class is now paying way more than before. Small business pays more of the total bill. Fewer and fewer people contribute to the government (because of this idea that they can’t afford to pay), and the folks at the elite levels get to manipulate their money in ways that keeps them from paying.

I don’t think raising tax rates on folks making $2.5 milllion is going to do anything except make the left’s class warriors feel better and the government will continue to drop the money needed be surcharged and inflation will drive more folks in the upper middle and lower upper classes into these punitive tax rates.

And yes, Lheym tax rates and policy are the realm of congress… until the people say no more.

That so many of the ultra rich support these tax increases shows they have no concern they will actually pay much of anything… they know they will keep carve outs for themselves.

If everyone pays a proportionate amount we will finally have the electorate at all levels as interested in spending because their taxes will be proportional to it.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
As one who has some records of taxation in the 50’s and 60’s at higher income levels, do you really know what folks were paying?

I am pretty sure that my great grandfather and grandfather were not “the exception” back then. With deductions and various accounting practices used then, I don’t think they ever paid 10% tax rate overall. They were well within the top 1% back then. (Yes, my family’s fortunes have fallen considerably since then). While their top marginal rate should have been north of 70%, they never got close to what I pay now for a much lower place in the income earner levels.

Somehow despite this, we were able to afford one of the largest militaries ever built, dramatically enlarged public infrastructure and generally avoided large public debt as a percentage of GDP.

As it is now, despite much higher rates, the moguls at the top, like Gates, Bezos, and Buffett pay way less percentage of income than folks like I do, and yet your answer is a drumbeat of “raise tax rates”….

The professional class is now paying way more than before. Small business pays more of the total bill. Fewer and fewer people contribute to the government (because of this idea that they can’t afford to pay), and the folks at the elite levels get to manipulate their money in ways that keeps them from paying.

I don’t think raising tax rates on folks making $2.5 milllion is going to do anything except make the left’s class warriors feel better and the government will continue to drop the money needed be surcharged and inflation will drive more folks in the upper middle and lower upper classes into these punitive tax rates.

And yes, Lheym tax rates and policy are the realm of congress… until the people say no more.

That so many of the ultra rich support these tax increases shows they have no concern they will actually pay much of anything… they know they will keep carve outs for themselves.

If everyone pays a proportionate amount we will finally have the electorate at all levels as interested in spending because their taxes will be proportional to it.

The problem is it is the folks at the top who the least. The answer is for the moguls to lay along with us percentage wise.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Hahahaha!

Broken promises!

Didn't he say he was going to lower taxes?

The MAGA FUCKWIT is in total confusion!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
He's never going to increase taxes and he knows it will never happen under his watch. He's paying it lip service to endear himself to the blue-collar folks that adore him for reasons unknown.