Similar to President Trump’s Order thatcher S. Ct., invalidated wo legislation.

This Executive Order is what President Biden would have been able to do had GOP not have destroyed the good bill for political reasons.

I expect this order will be struck by the S.Ct., struck Trump’s similar order not anchored in legislation.

If you want you want to fix the border do not for GOPers who killed the legislative authority for what they ask for, for what the S. Ct., told the Executive it could not do without the legislation.

I would have limited it to 500 per day until the backlog and mess is cleaned up.

Kamala Harris writes Heyms posts. I have no idea what he said above.

Funny antelopedundee did.

Do not vote for GOPers who killed the legislation the S. Ct., was necessary to close the border to asylum seekers.

The same GOPers who complain, campaign, and run on the border.

Why would anyone think that allowing 2500 folks per day to apply for asylum who, by the way, broke the law by their entering illegally at non ports of entry AND GOT CAUGHT is closing the border?

I love the logic. Swim the river at 12:01 a.m. The early illegal gets the worm. The Democrats will get you an alarm clock with Joe Biden’s picture on its face (or Mickey Mouse, they’re the same, it seems).

Biden’s order is nothing more than sop to folks who want to believe that “open” means “closed” and that we don’t already have laws that the rank and file border people are begging to effectively enforce. Same folks who believe men are women, money is real because you have a printing press, 20% cumulative inflation doesn’t harm the consumer, taxes morph magically into investments, Iran is our friend and and illegal means you just don’t have your documents yet.

Damn, I’m sorry. I forgot I’m white so all this is racist.

Because we have Fed laws that require the Executive to apply Ashlyn rules when the rules are followed.

Because without an anchor of 2500 per day, the EX appears arbitrary on its face.

A concept a judge should see and grasp wo explanation. However, I have yet to meet a judge who does not need everything spelled out for them.

The more this Executive Order is like Trump’s order, the more likely it is the S. Ct., will give it the same tossing.

Again, the S.Ct., flagged legislation would be necessary to close the border to asylum seekers when they invalidated Trump’s order. I have posted the case before.

The Administration worked w GOP Senators to come to a deal they would obtain necessary Dem votes to pass giving that legislative authority to close the border. Authority the S. Ct., required.

GOPErs on the House for pure political reasons of doing Trump’s bidding for election purposes blocked the bill in the House. They did not pass any bill to the Senate.

Here we are. Of course, such actions are par for GOP and the border. Complain about border security, scare people into campaign contributions, and scare people into votes. After, the election, do nothing.

Only the Fed Government by and through Congress can address a long term resolution to the border.

Anyone who says otherwise is a lier.

I hope the exceptions this Order has provided can survive S.Ct., analysis. Given what happened when Trump tried this, I doubt it.

Clear enough for you Back40?

Your still whining about that heym, but forget the house sent a plan to the senate, who never brought it up for a vote.
Everything from both sides should be brought up to discuss. Then, they can work on a plan.
Antelope must understand gibberish, I dont.

Send a plan that has a chance like the Senate did.

Or send a bill between 2016-2018.

Yep, that sent a non-partisan, dead on arrival bill 6 months ago.

The President has responded the best any Administration can, pending S. Ct., review.


I would have have engaged in an Executive Order fix. It has been tried and rejected by the S. Ct. Maybe, there is enough difference in this order to get it through.

I wonder how many folks on here who cry border closing by the Chief Executive realize the S. Ct., said no?

They should know, I have given us the case prior.

A good deal was sacrificed that made everyone, including the asylum seekers safer, at the alert of Trump and political liers.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Why would anyone think that allowing 2500 folks per day to apply for asylum who, by the way, broke the law by their entering illegally at non ports of entry AND GOT CAUGHT is closing the border?

I love the logic. Swim the river at 12:01 a.m. The early illegal gets the worm. The Democrats will get you an alarm clock with Joe Biden’s picture on its face (or Mickey Mouse, they’re the same, it seems).

Biden’s order is nothing more than sop to folks who want to believe that “open” means “closed” and that we don’t already have laws that the rank and file border people are begging to effectively enforce. Same folks who believe men are women, money is real because you have a printing press, 20% cumulative inflation doesn’t harm the consumer, taxes morph magically into investments, Iran is our friend and and illegal means you just don’t have your documents yet.

Damn, I’m sorry. I forgot I’m white so all this is racist.

I stand with you Ernest.

Heym the Senate bill is a piece of shit as is the executive order.
Fucking dumb ass

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President Biden closed border

we have VERY different definitions of closed

when trump did a like thing, but actually closed the border, I thought it was perfectly inline with POTUS authority -

I also think this is inline with POTUS authority -

I agree with the judge's first two paragraphs.

If the border is really closed, why are they allowing 2,500 law breakers cross daily?

The best I can give is that it permits a non-arbitrary, and capricious trigger.

Here is the Fed law that forced Trump’s executive order invalidation in the Fed courts.

8 USC 1158: Asylum
Text contains those laws in effect on June 3, 2024.

When I copy and paste the hyperlink, it goes dead. When I put it in directly it work.

The Trump action was an Administration Proclamation to end asylum. The Administration sought to give that proclamation the force of law through a regulation.

The 9th Circuit invalidated the reg and proclaimed holding, the reg was in direct conflict with the above Fed Law. The S. Ct., refused to grant cert.

The Trump actions does not provide any critical mass daily crossing trigger.

The Biden Executive Order w the critical mass daily crossing trigger hopes to get around the prior Administration’s constitutional failure.

Here is Trump Administration’s action that was invalidated.

https://www.federalregister.go...of-the-united-states

For Biden’s Executive Order to survive Fed Court scrutiny, the order must distinguish itself from the above. I doubt that the distinction is enough to save it without reading the Fed Law in its entirety.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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President Biden closed border

we have VERY different definitions of closed

There were/are very different definitions of "open border" too.

I wonder if the whining Trumplicans actually realize that the Orange Jesus basically issued a similar order in 2018. Probably not. When all your intellectual nourishment is pablum spoon fed to you by Fox News I guess one should not be surprised you are mentally starving to death.

This EO is a band-aid without the increase in Border Patrol Agents, Asylum Officers and Judges to process asylum claims and remove those without valid claims more quickly.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Heym the Senate bill is a piece of shit as is the executive order.
Fucking dumb ass

It's a "piece of shit" that was negotiated with Republicans designated by the Republicans in Congress to do so, and to which they agreed until Trump decided he had absolutely nothing else to run on if the border situation got better.

ML why do t you go read the fed law on asylum seeker I have provided you and the 9th Circuit application of that law to Trump’s attempt.

That is the law baby. Only the Bi-Partisan bill could have changed it.

It does not matter if George Washington negotiated the Senate bill it is still a piece of shit that is nearly useless in closing the border, as well as Biden's executive order

You are ignoring the Fed Courts have told you, bc of Fed law you cannot just say no more asylum seekers.

It does matter bc our system is based on compromise to get bills through.

Only Fed legislation can really address this, and you are not going to ever not have asylum seekers. Cubans are a good example.

It does not matter you want no one coming across the border. What matters is Congress in askyl has spoken w legislation. A President is not going to be able to violate that fed law with an Executive Order.

Go read the fed law I have given you. You go read the 9th Circuit’s application of that law to invalidate a similar administrative quick fix. Guess who did not strike the Fed 9th Circuit’s action, that would be the Supreme Court.

The exceptions found in this Exec. Order are done so as to not run afoul of the 9th Circuit’s permanent injunction against similar administrative bandage.

Here is how it matters this Exec. Order is similar to Trump’s action. That is bc file on here have stated, “ We do not need any new laws,” and “we just need Trump’s border policy.”

Well, 1) you do need legislation see above. 2) Biden is given a Trump like policy through the administrative action.

One cannot have it both ways.

Why know, bc the House GOP refuses a bill that was negotiated by the Administration and Senate Conservatives that could obtain enough votes if both parties to pass, and not get filibustered. That is something dispute all the crying, the GOP has never done since Reagan. That is bc Trump told the House not to for his own selfish reasons.


Trump and GOP apologists happily went along w it.

I would not use Executive action to close the border to asylum seekers given the 9th Circuit’s holding and injunction. Biden has tried the bandaid. The ball remains in Congress’ court.

I hope the Exec. Order survives the courts.

So heym, you can prove to us that the house members who voted against the senate bill went against their constituents wishes?
I have news for you, it doesnt matter what you want, you only think you are emperor of the country.
When those members are voted out, we will know they went against the voters wishes, not on your say so.

That has already been done bc the Speaker said he was communicating w Trump concerning the legislation.

We know what Trump’s position was bc he told all of us.

I have posted the Speaker and Trump’s positions before.

The legislation was never permitted a vote in the House once Trump condemned it, and called for it to die.

The House made no changes to the Bill sending it back to the Senate.

Any Executive bandaid will not heal the border. Only the cast of legislation will heal the broken border.

The border is not going to be permanently closed and asylum is not going to be stripped as a process. Moderates in both parties will not vote for it.

Whatever is passed must be able to survive the filibuster and moderates. Anything short of that is performance.

Hence, MM tells you the border is not really a crisis bc one large ring of one party does not want to engage in good faith solutions.

They just want to yell generating campaign contributions and votes.

How many bills did the GOP House pass in 2016-2018?concerning the border? None.

How many bills were advanced out of House committees during 2016-2018; none.

One spending package did pay for some fence and drones.

One Administrative action was invalidated by the Fed court.

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Originally posted by theback40:
So heym, you can prove to us that the house members who voted against the senate bill went against their constituents wishes?
I have news for you, it doesnt matter what you want, you only think you are emperor of the country.
When those members are voted out, we will know they went against the voters wishes, not on your say so.

All that proves is that the constituents are as dumb as some here. The genius group that would rather have no loaf than half a loaf and then cry like little bitches when they find themselves starving.

I suspect the majority of the folks (both democrat and Republican) in this country support something closer to the house proposal than the senate one.

This is an example of special interest politics. Some have a vested interest in cheap labor subsidized by the taxpayer.

The folks working in lower income jobs probably would prefer less competition who are willing to work for less, and taxpayers by and large would rather not pay other people’s bills.

I suspect your wrong since GOO only had 5 vote majority, Dem Senate, and Dem president.

I also suspect you have not read either bill.

I suspect you have not read the Fed law that required the 9th Circuit to permanently enjoin Trump’s administrative action.

It also appears Trumpism has not taken the entire GOP.
https://apple.news/A388vmV5qTZqkf9u-2vWBmg

So Jines, you are in the Heym camp. If you disagree with a vote, the constituents should have no say.
The house gave the senate a plan. It makes no difference if individuals like it or not, it should have been brought up for a vote.
There is no bigger whining bitch on this site than Heym, no matter who the voters are, they have their choice.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by theback40:
So heym, you can prove to us that the house members who voted against the senate bill went against their constituents wishes?
I have news for you, it doesnt matter what you want, you only think you are emperor of the country.
When those members are voted out, we will know they went against the voters wishes, not on your say so.

All that proves is that the constituents are as dumb as some here. The genius group that would rather have no loaf than half a loaf and then cry like little bitches when they find themselves starving.

But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

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But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

Yes, you don't get to eat the whole loaf yourselves. There are two parties and other interests to serve.

I am good at killing things and picking up heavy things so not sure what can be done. But dumbass me knows what closing a border is. It would seem to my simple mind a President could declare a national emergency and close the border. I would think a listing of the military age males from China, Russia, Iran and fucking everywhere else could at least get some concern

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I suspect your wrong since GOO only had 5 vote majority, Dem Senate, and Dem president.

I also suspect you have not read either bill.

I suspect you have not read the Fed law that required the 9th Circuit to permanently enjoin Trump’s administrative action.

It also appears Trumpism has not taken the entire GOP.
https://apple.news/A388vmV5qTZqkf9u-2vWBmg

There has been plenty of opinion polling that shows the average citizen has a pretty strong disconnect with the current policy and neither party really is responsive to it.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

Yes, you don't get to eat the whole loaf yourselves. There are two parties and other interests to serve.

"Elections have consequences."

I actually stated that loaf thing wrong. Yes, "my" side wants the whole loaf, but so does "your" side. So whomever holds the levers of power wins and the other side doesn't.

I expect this will prove to be a big loss for Republicans.

Numbers were already substantially down, and now Biden can claim credit, at least semi-legitimately, for the trend if it continues while pointing out Republican refusal to allow him to do more.

Even if his EO is tossed by some Court.

The question is did he play MAGAts or did they play themselves?

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
I am good at killing things and picking up heavy things so not sure what can be done. But dumbass me knows what closing a border is. It would seem to my simple mind a President could declare a national emergency and close the border. I would think a listing of the military age males from China, Russia, Iran and fucking everywhere else could at least get some concern

Can you imagine what might happen if there was a mass military mobilization of all these military aged male "immigrants?".

. . . hell’s bells, we might have another January 6 on our hands.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
[QUOTE]But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

Yes, you don't get to eat the whole loaf yourselves. There are two parties and other interests to serve.

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"Elections have consequences."

I actually stated that loaf thing wrong. Yes, "my" side wants the whole loaf, but so does "your" side. So whomever holds the levers of power wins and the other side doesn't.

The Republican version, as is usual with these MAGAts, is if they can't have the whole loaf they'll shit in the dough bowl so everybody starves.

Look at their childish threat to not cooperate on anything because a State Court found their Mango Mussolini guilty of stuff he was manifestly guilty of.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

Yes, you don't get to eat the whole loaf yourselves. There are two parties and other interests to serve.

"Elections have consequences."

I actually stated that loaf thing wrong. Yes, "my" side wants the whole loaf, but so does "your" side. So whomever holds the levers of power wins and the other side doesn't.

You still have it wrong. The left was prepared to concede part of the loaf in the legislation, the right held out for the whole loaf and allowed the legislation to die because the Orange Jesus needs something to campaign on.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Similar to President Trump’s Order thatcher S. Ct., invalidated wo legislation.

This Executive Order is what President Biden would have been able to do had GOP not have destroyed the good bill for political reasons.

I expect this order will be struck by the S.Ct., struck Trump’s similar order not anchored in legislation.

For political reasons? Are you some kind of DNC sock puppet? Plenty of reason to include legalization of the invasion. Did you read the bill? If not MSNBC has made a fool of you, again.

Biden's XO is also a joke. Maybe you should read it. What should have been passed is HR2.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But conversely, "your" side is holding onto the other half of the loaf.

Yes, you don't get to eat the whole loaf yourselves. There are two parties and other interests to serve.

"Elections have consequences."

I actually stated that loaf thing wrong. Yes, "my" side wants the whole loaf, but so does "your" side. So whomever holds the levers of power wins and the other side doesn't.

You still have it wrong. The left was prepared to concede part of the loaf in the legislation, the right held out for the whole loaf and allowed the legislation to die because the Orange Jesus needs something to campaign on.

The "loaf" as it were, was 8500 immigrants daily, before there was any sort of throttle. Even then, the POTUS had the solitary power to negate the limit, based solely on his or her whim.

The increased BP agents were ONLY for more and faster processing of immigrants.

The increased immigration Judges were simply to get more cars heard and in the US and left to their own devices.

There simply was no border enforcement, period. I challenge you to show me the excerpt that show its does.

It was a complete travesty of a border bill.

Here's the language.

https://www.americanimmigratio...s-senate-border-bill

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Originally posted by Redhog:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Similar to President Trump’s Order thatcher S. Ct., invalidated wo legislation.

This Executive Order is what President Biden would have been able to do had GOP not have destroyed the good bill for political reasons.

I expect this order will be struck by the S.Ct., struck Trump’s similar order not anchored in legislation.

For political reasons? Are you some kind of DNC sock puppet? Plenty of reason to include legalization of the invasion. Did you read the bill? If not MSNBC has made a fool of you, again.

Biden's XO is also a joke. Maybe you should read it. What should have been passed is HR2.

The very first provision of that turd provides a preview of its worth. A summary:

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(Sec. 102) This section requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume all activities related to constructing a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border that were underway or planned prior to January 20, 2021.

See, in this Country we have ONE President at a time, and when your guy loses you don't get to try to keep his policies, especially when they are stupid and don't work. Trump built 52 miles of poorly-constructed wall, with 2/3 of the funding not appropriated by the Republican Congress for that purpose but diverted from the Defense Department.

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(Sec. 103) This section imposes additional requirements on DHS related to the construction of barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border. For example, the bill requires DHS to construct a border wall (including related infrastructure and technology) along at least 900 miles of that border, whereas currently DHS is required to have at least 700 miles of reinforced fencing along that border.

So, pissing away $15 billion for roughly 50 miles of shitty wall, 650 more miles of shitty wall would run what, $165 billion? That's almost the entire budget for the Department of Homeland Security, which includes the Border Patrol, Immigration, the Secret Service and the Coast Guard, to build a wall that can be defeated by a Home Depot ladder if it doesn't fall down on its own.