Paterson city council president and wife stole mail-in ballots to rig 2020 election: AG

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win

By Jonathan Dienst and Courtney Copenhagen • Published October 26, 2023 • Updated on October 27, 2023 at 12:58 pm

What to Know

Paterson Council Speaker Alex Mendez allegedly stole mail-in ballots along with his wife and two campaign supporters to rig the 2020 election — new allegations that are far broader and more serious than when Mendez was first charged with election fraud in 2021

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win

Investigators said that in all, hundreds of ballots were stolen, falsified or improperly delivered during the pandemic, when mail-in ballots was how votes were cast

The city council president of New Jersey’s third-largest city personally directed an election fraud scheme to help win his seat, according to the state attorney general.

Paterson Council Speaker Alex Mendez allegedly stole mail-in ballots along with his wife and two campaign supporters to rig the 2020 election — new allegations that are far broader and more serious than when Mendez was first charged with election fraud in 2021.

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win.

Mendez and others tried “to rig an election in their favor and to deprive the voters of Paterson of having their voices heard,” Attorney General Matthew Platkin said.

Investigators said that in all, hundreds of ballots were stolen, falsified or improperly delivered during the pandemic, when mail-in ballots was how votes were cast.

The charges include conspiracy to commit election fraud, forgery, falsifying records and witness tampering.

“In a case like this, with allegations as strong as they are, it certainly can undermine the public trust,” said former federal prosecutor David Miller, who added that some of the counts can carry up to 5 to 10 years in state prison.

NBC New York first reported in 2020 on how hundreds of Paterson ballots were discovered stuffed in a mailbox in the nearby town of Haledon.

Paterson election fraud case delayed again
A voter fraud criminal case out of Paterson already delayed for more than three years has been put off once again by a state judge.

It appears one insider in the alleged scheme flipped on Mendez. According to the complaint, the insider alleged Mendez was there as “over 300 mail-in ballots” were placed “into the Haledon postal box.”

Prosecutors said Mendez is on “an audio recording discussing a false story to tell if any person questioned him about the Haledon ballots,” and that Mendez allegedly talked about “personally completed a false voter registration.” Prosecutors also claim Mendez later directed others to “delete communications” about the voting fraud scheme.

“The courts and the prosecutors take allegations of witness tampering and obstruction very seriously,” Miller said.

Mendez has previously denied any wrongdoing and has said he plans to run for re-election in May. Another councilmember, Michael Jackson, was also previously charged with election fraud in the 2020 election. Jackson too denies wrongdoing.

Mendez and the others charged in this case won’t appear in court on the new charges until early December, with any trial still likely many months away, and with Councilmembers Mendez and Jackson staying in office as accused criminals.

Mendez’s attorney declined to comment. Mendez has previously denied any wrongdoing and indicated he planned to still seek re-election.

The mayor and the attorney general's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Other links and details here: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/inv...election-ag/4803686/

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:



Paterson city council president and wife stole mail-in ballots to rig 2020 election: AG

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win

By Jonathan Dienst and Courtney Copenhagen • Published October 26, 2023 • Updated on October 27, 2023 at 12:58 pm

What to Know

Paterson Council Speaker Alex Mendez allegedly stole mail-in ballots along with his wife and two campaign supporters to rig the 2020 election — new allegations that are far broader and more serious than when Mendez was first charged with election fraud in 2021

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win

Investigators said that in all, hundreds of ballots were stolen, falsified or improperly delivered during the pandemic, when mail-in ballots was how votes were cast

The city council president of New Jersey’s third-largest city personally directed an election fraud scheme to help win his seat, according to the state attorney general.

Paterson Council Speaker Alex Mendez allegedly stole mail-in ballots along with his wife and two campaign supporters to rig the 2020 election — new allegations that are far broader and more serious than when Mendez was first charged with election fraud in 2021.

The criminal conspiracy was done to get himself elected in 2020, according to the state attorney general, who said that Mendez, his wife and two campaign supporters stole mail-in ballots from residents’ mailboxes, filled some out, and then tried to mail in fakes in an effort to win.

Mendez and others tried “to rig an election in their favor and to deprive the voters of Paterson of having their voices heard,” Attorney General Matthew Platkin said.

Investigators said that in all, hundreds of ballots were stolen, falsified or improperly delivered during the pandemic, when mail-in ballots was how votes were cast.

The charges include conspiracy to commit election fraud, forgery, falsifying records and witness tampering.

“In a case like this, with allegations as strong as they are, it certainly can undermine the public trust,” said former federal prosecutor David Miller, who added that some of the counts can carry up to 5 to 10 years in state prison.

NBC New York first reported in 2020 on how hundreds of Paterson ballots were discovered stuffed in a mailbox in the nearby town of Haledon.

Paterson election fraud case delayed again
A voter fraud criminal case out of Paterson already delayed for more than three years has been put off once again by a state judge.

It appears one insider in the alleged scheme flipped on Mendez. According to the complaint, the insider alleged Mendez was there as “over 300 mail-in ballots” were placed “into the Haledon postal box.”

Prosecutors said Mendez is on “an audio recording discussing a false story to tell if any person questioned him about the Haledon ballots,” and that Mendez allegedly talked about “personally completed a false voter registration.” Prosecutors also claim Mendez later directed others to “delete communications” about the voting fraud scheme.

“The courts and the prosecutors take allegations of witness tampering and obstruction very seriously,” Miller said.

Mendez has previously denied any wrongdoing and has said he plans to run for re-election in May. Another councilmember, Michael Jackson, was also previously charged with election fraud in the 2020 election. Jackson too denies wrongdoing.

Mendez and the others charged in this case won’t appear in court on the new charges until early December, with any trial still likely many months away, and with Councilmembers Mendez and Jackson staying in office as accused criminals.

Mendez’s attorney declined to comment. Mendez has previously denied any wrongdoing and indicated he planned to still seek re-election.

The mayor and the attorney general's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Other links and details here: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/inv...election-ag/4803686/

Seems like the system worked and the Fraud was detected as it should have been.

Banks are robbed, safes are cracked, criminals commit crimes.

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Seems like the system worked and the Fraud was detected as it should have been.

Banks are robbed, safes are cracked, criminals commit crimes.

But are all criminals caught?

As we know they aren't and that's why people continue to commit crimes, because enough get away with it, it is still worth while. Seems silly to have to point that out.

Our system is not secure.

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Seems like the system worked and the Fraud was detected as it should have been.

Banks are robbed, safes are cracked, criminals commit crimes.

But are all criminals caught?

As we know they aren't and that's why people continue to commit crimes, because enough get away with it, it is still worth while. Seems silly to have to point that out.

Our system is not secure.

No system is 100% secure, but our voting system comes a lot closer than our banking system. People will try to cheat at a church cake raffle and at elections. Election fraud is almost always detected.

I thought that fuckin mit the mail is a serious Federal crime.

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I thought that fuckin mit the mail is a serious Federal crime.

It's supposed to be.

The only reason they do it…
is because it works!

What is interesting is that both sides were making “supported” claims almost immediately… yet here is show it takes multiple years to gather the evidence, make a determination that charges are valid, and go forward.

I don’t think the way our system works that it’s possible to change the outcome of an election via the legal system. At worst, you get folks tried for fraud after the fact and the courts claim either no standing before and no remedy after the election results are in.

The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes.

All of Trump’s shenanigans aside, there is no legal mechanism for the court to change the result. They can claim fraudulent ballots, but once the election is certified, show me where in the law they can change the results? The only remedy is impeachment. It would require wholesale collusion by all branches of government to get the declared loser in place of the declared winner- despite any errors in place.

Team Trump knows this. Their whole effort was purely a grift.

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The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes

Yeah....well....I feel pretty sure there where some dead people voting as well.

Why are dems so adamant against purging voter rolls????

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes

Yeah....well....I feel pretty sure there where some dead people voting as well.

Why are dems so adamant against purging voter rolls????

Because Republicans invariably disenfranchise eligible voters.

Why are Republicans against making it easier for eligible people to vote?

Nevermind, we all know why...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes

Yeah....well....I feel pretty sure there where some dead people voting as well.

Why are dems so adamant against purging voter rolls????

Because Republicans invariably disenfranchise eligible voters.

Why are Republicans against making it easier for eligible people to vote?

Nevermind, we all know why...

You should probably clarify what you mean by Republicans being “against making it easier for eligible people to vote”

That’s not the case at all in my view.
Republicans want EVERY legal vote to count (once) and they want the process to be as secure as can be achieved.
What, exactly, is wrong with that?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes

Yeah....well....I feel pretty sure there where some dead people voting as well.

Why are dems so adamant against purging voter rolls????

As well as ballot harvesting by NGOs (like FairFight) going into section 8 housing units with gifts and “advice” and “help” getting the ballots to the mail or drop-boxes.

Oh BOY did they get mad over Texas reverting to pre-covid rules from the ILLEGAL changes made in voting in Texas ... you see, only the legislature has the power to change voting rules in Texas...

WHEWWIE it made the Dems mad when we made it easier to officially vote, with equal protection for everyone .. i mean DANG, i hadn't seen Dems so mad since 1861

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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The democrats got the results of the 20 election manipulated by changing the rules, not by stuffing ballot boxes

Yeah....well....I feel pretty sure there where some dead people voting as well.

Why are dems so adamant against purging voter rolls????

Because Republicans invariably disenfranchise eligible voters.

Why are Republicans against making it easier for eligible people to vote?

Nevermind, we all know why...

I have lived and voted in a lot of places in this country and I have never seen proof of your claim. Where is yours?

When I go to the polls there is no one buggering on about what political party to vote for. I believe that isn't allowed anyway.

Still wanna see your proof. It had better be widespread as well.

Let me see if I can help.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/fe...in-11-states-so-far/

Where Republicans Have Made It Harder To Vote (So Far)

Georgia’s new voting restrictions dominated headlines in March, for numerous reasons: It was one of the closest states in last year’s presidential election and the focus of former President Donald Trump’s pressure campaign to get Republicans to overturn the results; the legislation was written in such a way as to have a disproportionate impact on voters of color; and the law inspired an unusual amount of backlash from corporate America, even spurring Major League Baseball to move its All-Star Game out of the state.

But Georgia is hardly the only state that’s made it harder to vote this year. Republican lawmakers have now enacted new voting restrictions in a total of 11 states — Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Montana, Utah and Wyoming.

As we wrote in March, Republican state legislators — inspired by Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud — have introduced hundreds of bills this year that would make it harder to vote. Based on the latest data from the Brennan Center for Justice and our own research, at least 404 voting-restriction bills have now been introduced in 48 state legislatures.1 What’s more, nearly 90 percent of them were sponsored primarily or entirely by Republicans.

Of course, not all of those bills will pass. Of those 404 bills, we count 179 that are already dead — either because they were voted down or weren’t passed before a key deadline. Another 137 bills have not yet progressed beyond the committee stage, and at this point, that inaction bodes poorly for their chances of passage. On the other hand, 63 bills are still worth watching, having passed at least one step of the legislative process (with those that have passed two chambers closer to passage than those that have just passed committee). That leaves 25 bills that are already law (back in March, this number was only six); four states have even enacted multiple such laws.


The highest-profile voting restriction that has been enacted since Georgia’s is Senate Bill 90 in Florida. Among other things, the law requires proof of identity for absentee voting, restricts ballot drop boxes to early-voting sites or election offices (where they can only be used if a staff member is physically present), limits how many absentee ballots a person can deliver for non-family members, and makes absentee-ballot requests good for only one election cycle (previously, they were good for two cycles). Critics also fear that the law could allow Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to stack local election boards with political cronies and intimidate campaigns from giving food and water to voters within 150 feet of a polling place (based on the law’s expanded definition of vote solicitation). DeSantis also signed the bill last Thursday at a signing ceremony that was closed to all members of the press except Fox News, contributing to the partisan acrimony over the legislation.

Of course, as in Georgia, it’s not clear whether Florida’s new law will actually boost Republicans’ chances of winning elections in the perennially competitive state. By making it less easy to vote absentee, the law discourages a voting method that was used overwhelmingly by Democrats in 2020 but was also a source of Republican strength in elections before that.

Other new voting restrictions haven’t gotten as much attention as Florida and Georgia, but they could still affect voting for millions of people and underscore just how widespread Republicans’ push to tighten voting laws has been.

From April 15 to April 30, Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson signed into law no fewer than seven bills containing new voting restrictions. One prohibits people from going within 100 feet of a polling place except with the intention of entering or exiting it — which could effectively ban giving food and water to voters waiting in line. Another requires absentee ballots to be received by the Friday before Election Day, making Arkansas one of two states where absentee ballots that arrive on Election Day do not count.2 The other five laws take power out of the hands of local election officials (for example, one bans them from mailing out unsolicited absentee-ballot applications), a trend we’ve written about previously.
Similarly, Montana has enacted five new restrictions on voting this year. Among them: The governor can no longer change election laws in an emergency (as Democrat Steve Bullock did during the pandemic last year) without first getting legislative approval; people with certain types of IDs (namely student IDs) have to present a second, supplementary ID in order to vote; and, crucially, people can no longer register to vote on Election Day itself. These last two restrictions could help Republicans at the ballot box: Research has found that Election Day voter registration adds a significant number of (disproportionately young) voters to the electorate, and young voters and students lean Democratic.
Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon signed a bill to require people to present ID in order to vote in person, leaving just one reliably Republican state (Nebraska) without a voter-ID law.
Republicans in the Kansas Legislature overrode Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly’s vetoes of two bills that bar the executive and judicial branches from changing election laws, prohibit the secretary of state from extending absentee-voting deadlines and impose strict rules on people who return other people’s absentee ballots.

Idaho now requires that a voter’s signature on her absentee ballot match the signature from her voter registration.
Indiana has a new law that standardizes election procedures, in part by restricting drop boxes to the “physical control and supervision of the county election board.” (There are pro-voting-rights provisions too, such as notifying voters whose absentee ballots are rejected and giving them a chance to fix, or “cure,” the problem.)

A major election-law overhaul in Kentucky that mostly expands voting access (by allowing early voting, implementing an absentee-ballot curing process, establishing online voter registration and more) also contains one voting restriction: Kentuckians are not allowed to deliver another person’s absentee ballot unless they are the voter’s family member, roommate or caregiver (or work for the U.S. Postal Service or elections office).
In less than five months, 25 new voting restrictions have already been enacted in 2021. That’s a notable uptick from recent years: The Brennan Center tracked only 14 voting restrictions that became law in 2019 and 2020 combined. It’s likely, too, that that number will continue to grow. Republicans are expected to add even more laws restricting voting access to the books in the coming months — with an omnibus bill in Texas likely to be the next voting restriction to experience the glare of the national spotlight. Stay tuned as we continue to track these bills and explore their implications.

To be quite clear...I and I believe The Founders wanted voters to have to put in a smidge of effort to vote.

And I would rather err on the side of the slight few being disenfranchised versus any unlawful voting taking place.

I personally am losing confidence in our system.

I say set up polling stations well in advance (2-5 wks) and make voters register and show up with ID in hand.

No body was any poorer than me in my younger life...I never missed a vote.

The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

True!

And I don’t believe they were wrong.

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And I would rather err on the side of the slight few being disenfranchised versus any unlawful voting taking place.

As long as the "slight few" aren't MAGA Morons, is what you accidentally left out.

Bottom-line MAGA tried to steal the last election and failed, and if Trump were to be re-elected they would do a better job of stealing elections because they realize their radical views are unacceptable to a majority of Americans, and they can't win fair elections. The Republican Party ceased to exist. You have the Democratic Party and the MAGA Moron Party.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

True!

And I don’t believe they were wrong.

Adult male property owners.

I'm guessing you're good with that whole slave thing that The Founders were in favor of too, right?

Man, the good old days huh, Lane?

truly, what else is there to say?.....You're a fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

The founders didn't let Women and Jews and people of color vote either.

Don

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

True!

And I don’t believe they were wrong.

Adult male property owners.

I'm guessing you're good with that whole slave thing that The Founders were in favor of too, right?

Man, the good old days huh, Lane?

truly, what else is there to say?.....You're a fucking idiot.

As usual Mike

You leftists always got to put words in people’s mouths to get your propaganda across.

I said: “I don’t believe they were wrong.” In response to: “ The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote.”

I didn’t mention slavery. I didn’t mention women.

It amazes at how illiterate you lawyers are.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

The founders didn't let Women and Jews and people of color vote either.

Don

Not saying you are wrong…but you are going to have to enlighten me on the Jews not being able to vote…have never read that.

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Originally posted by DRG:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

The founders didn't let Women and Jews and people of color vote either.

Don

I believe, but could be wrong, that this is 1/2 correct - that while women were not allowed to vote, all states had a property clause - Though I learned something today, that some states also had a religion clause, but it was mostly aimed at not allowing Quakers to vote -- and, for a time, Some States allowed Some women to vote, if they met the property test - but not universal suffrage

On Women voting, finalized in 1789, was over 100 years before the first country had universal suffrage to women - that would be NZ< in 1893

In my study I see some States did have religious restrictions and the Constitution did allow the states to make voting rules but it is a stretch to say the Founders wanted to exclude Jews and it is unclear to me that Jews were ever prevented from voting.

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...law requires proof of identity for absentee voting - sounds reasonable

...restricts ballot drop boxes to early-voting sites or election offices - OK also sounds logical

...limits how many absentee ballots a person can deliver for non-family members - the LAW in most states. That's OK

...makes absentee-ballot requests good for only one election cycle - good idea

...law could allow Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to stack local election boards with political cronies - how?

...intimidate campaigns from giving food and water to voters within 150 feet of a polling place (based on the law’s expanded definition of vote solicitation)

What? are they camping in the voting line?

...prohibits people from going within 100 feet of a polling place except with the intention of entering or exiting it — which could effectively ban giving food and water to voters waiting in line - same as above

...requires absentee ballots to be received by the Friday before Election Day, making Arkansas one of two states where absentee ballots that arrive on Election Day do not count. - the purpose of absentee ballots is for voters away from the state on election day, not for the lazy

...laws take power out of the hands of local election officials (for example, one bans them from mailing out unsolicited absentee-ballot applications - they shouldn't be sent unsolicited - nothing wrong with this

...governor can no longer change election laws in an emergency (as Democrat Steve Bullock did during the pandemic last year) without first getting legislative approval - 100% agree with this

...people with certain types of IDs (namely student IDs) have to present a second, supplementary ID in order to vote - many students are not residents so this is good

...people can no longer register to vote on Election Day itself - makes total sense if registrations are actually vetted

...require people to present ID in order to vote in person - no shit! The horror!!

Yeah, I now see the pure evil in the heart of the Republicans...

So stupid.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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...law requires proof of identity for absentee voting - sounds reasonable

...restricts ballot drop boxes to early-voting sites or election offices - OK also sounds logical

...limits how many absentee ballots a person can deliver for non-family members - the LAW in most states. That's OK

...makes absentee-ballot requests good for only one election cycle - good idea

...law could allow Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to stack local election boards with political cronies - how?

...intimidate campaigns from giving food and water to voters within 150 feet of a polling place (based on the law’s expanded definition of vote solicitation)

What? are they camping in the voting line?

...prohibits people from going within 100 feet of a polling place except with the intention of entering or exiting it — which could effectively ban giving food and water to voters waiting in line - same as above

...requires absentee ballots to be received by the Friday before Election Day, making Arkansas one of two states where absentee ballots that arrive on Election Day do not count. - the purpose of absentee ballots is for voters away from the state on election day, not for the lazy

...laws take power out of the hands of local election officials (for example, one bans them from mailing out unsolicited absentee-ballot applications - they shouldn't be sent unsolicited - nothing wrong with this

...governor can no longer change election laws in an emergency (as Democrat Steve Bullock did during the pandemic last year) without first getting legislative approval - 100% agree with this

...people with certain types of IDs (namely student IDs) have to present a second, supplementary ID in order to vote - many students are not residents so this is good

...people can no longer register to vote on Election Day itself - makes total sense if registrations are actually vetted

...require people to present ID in order to vote in person - no shit! The horror!!

Yeah, I now see the pure evil in the heart of the Republicans...

So stupid.

Great reply. I would have said the same. In fact I fully believe in proof of identification. I've never seen bigger BS wanting to provide food and drinks to people wanting to vote at a pole.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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...law requires proof of identity for absentee voting - sounds reasonable

...restricts ballot drop boxes to early-voting sites or election offices - OK also sounds logical

...limits how many absentee ballots a person can deliver for non-family members - the LAW in most states. That's OK

...makes absentee-ballot requests good for only one election cycle - good idea

...law could allow Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to stack local election boards with political cronies - how?

...intimidate campaigns from giving food and water to voters within 150 feet of a polling place (based on the law’s expanded definition of vote solicitation)

What? are they camping in the voting line?

...prohibits people from going within 100 feet of a polling place except with the intention of entering or exiting it — which could effectively ban giving food and water to voters waiting in line - same as above

...requires absentee ballots to be received by the Friday before Election Day, making Arkansas one of two states where absentee ballots that arrive on Election Day do not count. - the purpose of absentee ballots is for voters away from the state on election day, not for the lazy

...laws take power out of the hands of local election officials (for example, one bans them from mailing out unsolicited absentee-ballot applications - they shouldn't be sent unsolicited - nothing wrong with this

...governor can no longer change election laws in an emergency (as Democrat Steve Bullock did during the pandemic last year) without first getting legislative approval - 100% agree with this

...people with certain types of IDs (namely student IDs) have to present a second, supplementary ID in order to vote - many students are not residents so this is good

...people can no longer register to vote on Election Day itself - makes total sense if registrations are actually vetted

...require people to present ID in order to vote in person - no shit! The horror!!

Yeah, I now see the pure evil in the heart of the Republicans...

So stupid.

Yes. When you put it all together like that!

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From the NY Times

"Noncitizens do not vote in federal elections in significant numbers, in Alabama or elsewhere, according to a 2020 report from the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. Investigators from both parties have unearthed only minuscule numbers of any type of voter fraud. In recent years, the rare instances of broad fraud schemes that have become public have been engineered by Republicans, including an absentee ballot scheme in North Carolina that led the state’s Board of Elections to order a redo of a House race in 2018."


Seems to me that GOP voter fraud is the one to worry about.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote - to be honest

True!

And I don’t believe they were wrong.

Adult male property owners.

I'm guessing you're good with that whole slave thing that The Founders were in favor of too, right?

Man, the good old days huh, Lane?

truly, what else is there to say?.....You're a fucking idiot.

As usual Mike

You leftists always got to put words in people’s mouths to get your propaganda across.

I said: “I don’t believe they were wrong.” In response to: “ The founders only wanted adult property owners to vote.”

I didn’t mention slavery. I didn’t mention women.

It amazes at how illiterate you lawyers are.

You stated that you view the idea that only adult property owners should be allowed to vote favorably. That would seem to mean that you were in agreement that the almighty Founders were correct in not allowing women and slaves to vote.

Don't lecture me about illiteracy dumbass. It's your post and you apparently aren't able to discern it's plain meaning.

It is an imperfect system which allows one group to vote in favor of penalizing another for their own gain.

“When the people discover they can vote themselves money [welfare], that will herald the end of the republic.” - Benjamin Franklin

That is where we are now.

I completed an absentee ballot last week because I cannot be present today. I walked in and gave my name. Nobody knew me there. I could have been anyone. Where is the security in that system?

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Originally posted by Huvius:
It is an imperfect system which allows one group to vote in favor of penalizing another for their own gain.

“When the people discover they can vote themselves money [welfare], that will herald the end of the republic.” - Benjamin Franklin

That is where we are now.

It's the end of the republic? Dang....

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I completed an absentee ballot last week because I cannot be present today. I walked in and gave my name. Nobody knew me there. I could have been anyone. Where is the security in that system?

Now, if your Voter Registration is current and your signature matches the one on file your vote will be counted.

My signature could be easily replicated.