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"White Lung syndrome"
No, i am not playing politics here - is this something we should be nationally concerned over?

https://www.foxnews.com/health...-white-lung-syndrome


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I doubt it. I am sure there will be those who will try and make a big deal about it. Will people get sick this winter? Of course.

It's been several years but I am presently dealing with a cold. Unpleasant but a typical cold. For sure caught via aerosol at an event last weekend.

If immunity has been changed in people it is more than likely a result of several factors, two of which that top my thoughts is lack of outdoor activities and low quality food. I believe those things can impact one's health negatively.


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"White Lung syndrome"
No, i am not playing politics here - is this something we should be nationally concerned over?

https://www.foxnews.com/health...-white-lung-syndrome


While I'm not a veterinarian, so I'm no expert on all things medical, I suspect what we're seeing is depressed immune systems from otherwise mild COVID infections letting a variety of normal respiratory infections gain ground.

We'll see if it moves up the age scale.


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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.
 
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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


When were the last "shutdowns" in your world?


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Last year.

Most nursing homes and schools were exercising various “social distancing” and masking protocols until this summer.
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...id=socialshare&ei=24

CDC Director: Threat of respiratory illnesses underway

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports on current virus news, and then in a report for “Vital Signs” he speaks to researchers exploring the use of phages, a naturally occurring virus that destroys bacteria, to see if they can be used as an alternative treatment method for antimicrobial resistant infections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...e1d683eb1497d&ei=124

Forget the ‘tripledemic.’ The U.S. is headed for a ‘syndemic’ this winter—and experts warn we’re not prepared
Story by Erin Prater • 3h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...e1d683eb1497d&ei=164

Second US State Records Mysterious Pneumonia Outbreak — As Fears of Global Outbreak Continue
Story by Mansur Shaheen • 10h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...e1d683eb1497d&ei=176

The Tripledemic Is in ‘Full Swing,’ CDC Chief Warns
Story by Hannah Murphy • 7h

Hospitals are reporting an increase of cases of the flu, COVID and RSV


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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


Is there scientific evidence for this? Seems like too short a period of time to start losing immunity.


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I went for one of my twice yearly exposures to all the bugs which are currently around on Friday. Spent an hour on the London tube network.

Be interesting to see if I develop the plague by next weekend.
 
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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


Is there scientific evidence for this? Seems like too short a period of time to start losing immunity.


It may apply mostly to young children. That would be my assumption.


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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


Is there scientific evidence for this? Seems like too short a period of time to start losing immunity.


In a word…yes. Immunity does not come out of a universal mold. It is multifaceted, pluripotent, versatile, and driven by many things.

But one universal factor to robust immunity is exposure. In a day walking through an office building in Dallas in the winter…you get exposed to many respiratory pathogens daily. It keeps your immune system on cutting edge. Of the thousands of pathogens you encounter daily…you rarely get sick and only when you encounter that unique virus/bacteria that has cloaked itself via mutation. These encounters are probably something on the order of one in a million of encounters.

Thus horses who are held isolated on farms from daily social exposures to cosmopolitan pathens, get particularly vulnerable when introduced suddenly to global populations. Therefore we have to vaccinate for influenza (and other respiratory viruses) up to quarterly to keep them immune.


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


Is there scientific evidence for this? Seems like too short a period of time to start losing immunity.


In a word…yes. Immunity does not come out of a universal mold. It is multifaceted, pluripotent, versatile, and driven by many things.

But one universal factor to robust immunity is exposure. In a day walking through an office building in Dallas in the winter…you get exposed to many respiratory pathogens daily. It keeps your immune system on cutting edge. Of the thousands of pathogens you encounter daily…you rarely get sick and only when you encounter that unique virus/bacteria that has cloaked itself via mutation. These encounters are probably something on the order of one in a million of encounters.

Thus horses who are held isolated on farms from daily social exposures to cosmopolitan pathens, get particularly vulnerable when introduced suddenly to global populations. Therefore we have to vaccinate for influenza (and other respiratory viruses) up to quarterly to keep them immune.


You should just walk them through Dallas office buildings, I hear they are disease-ridden sewers.


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
More accurately, the lack of regular exposure from the shutdowns is allowing immunity to common pathogens to wane.

Mycoplasma is a relatively common infection, but most fight it off with minimal symptoms.


Is there scientific evidence for this? Seems like too short a period of time to start losing immunity.


In a word…yes. Immunity does not come out of a universal mold. It is multifaceted, pluripotent, versatile, and driven by many things.

But one universal factor to robust immunity is exposure. In a day walking through an office building in Dallas in the winter…you get exposed to many respiratory pathogens daily. It keeps your immune system on cutting edge. Of the thousands of pathogens you encounter daily…you rarely get sick and only when you encounter that unique virus/bacteria that has cloaked itself via mutation. These encounters are probably something on the order of one in a million of encounters.

Thus horses who are held isolated on farms from daily social exposures to cosmopolitan pathens, get particularly vulnerable when introduced suddenly to global populations. Therefore we have to vaccinate for influenza (and other respiratory viruses) up to quarterly to keep them immune.


You should just walk them through Dallas office buildings, I hear they are disease-ridden sewers.


The other thing science tells us is that the vast majority of respiratory pathogens are species specific.

But since that knowledge comes from understanding science…I am sure you wouldn’t know anything about that. Wink


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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So what I read from that is that the lockdowns of entire populations, whilst well intentioned, tends to just prolong the health issues and change it from a short sharp shock, too a prolonged malaise.
 
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That was actually what they were hoping for when they did the shutdowns on a scientific basis.

They wanted to slow the curve of illness; which then became a political hot potato of all these folks believing that they would be protected from ever getting sick if they isolated and the shutdowns continued well past any medical reason to continue them.

But now kids who would have been exposed to numerous low level cases of RSV didn't get exposed... and now are returning to day care (or their first in school experiences) and as cold weather hits here, they are inside in a contained environment.

Their immune systems have not been challenged with the variety and numbers of illnesses that they had before.

They are not talking about new things. Mycoplasma, Rhinoviruses, RSV, etc.

What's new is the relative immunodeficiency and the likelihood of getting multiple infections at the same time.

And yes, Dallas office buildings are disease sewers... as are any large communal building. Among the worst... Hospitals.
 
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
"White Lung syndrome"
No, i am not playing politics here - is this something we should be nationally concerned over?

https://www.foxnews.com/health...-white-lung-syndrome


Many of the most vulnerable are already COVID-dead...


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That was actually what they were hoping for when they did the shutdowns on a scientific basis.

They wanted to slow the curve of illness; which then became a political hot potato of all these folks believing that they would be protected from ever getting sick if they isolated and the shutdowns continued well past any medical reason to continue them.

But now kids who would have been exposed to numerous low level cases of RSV didn't get exposed... and now are returning to day care (or their first in school experiences) and as cold weather hits here, they are inside in a contained environment.

Their immune systems have not been challenged with the variety and numbers of illnesses that they had before.

They are not talking about new things. Mycoplasma, Rhinoviruses, RSV, etc.

What's new is the relative immunodeficiency and the likelihood of getting multiple infections at the same time.

And yes, Dallas office buildings are disease sewers... as are any large communal building. Among the worst... Hospitals.


I felt safer spending the day at Fort Detrick than I would spending a day in a hospital.


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