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Originally posted by Hasher:
Normally I disagreed and usually vehemently with most things you say.

This time I fear you might be pretty close to home here.


He was not on my radar at all as a potential option. I really thought it would go another way.

I see only two reasons for this pick.

1. It will energize his “base”. I would have thought he would have wanted someone that would have appealed to the undecided and any potential defectors. For me that choice would have been Tulsi Gabbard.

2. It’s a “defensive” pick. You want to jail me or I get taken out? Fine you get this guy.

I honestly can’t come up with another reason for this pick.

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Trump has a good shot at winning the election and then Vance has a good shot at two terms after that. Probably the best choice of the lot.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Unlike many here...he finally recognized that it was trees obscuring his view while he was searching for the forest.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I guess he changed his mind, huh?

CNN
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Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick Ohio Sen. JD Vance was once a fervent critic of the former president. In private messages, he wondered ahead of Trump’s election whether he was “America’s Hitler” and in 2017 said the then-president was a “moral disaster.” In public, he agreed Trump was a “total fraud” who didn’t care about regular people and called him “reprehensible.”

“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler,” Vance wrote in a message to a friend in 2016. “How’s that for discouraging?”

In 2016 and 2017, Vance, then best-known for penning the best-selling book “Hillbilly Elegy” said Trump was “cultural heroin” and “just another opioid” for Middle America. He told CNN ahead of the 2016 election that he was “definitely not” voting for Trump and he also contemplated voting for Hillary Clinton (he ultimately said he planned to vote for independent candidate Evan McMullin.)

“Fellow Christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man. Lord help us,” he tweeted after the “Access Hollywood” tape was published in 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15...nts-trump/index.html

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Unlike many here...he finally recognized that it was trees obscuring his view while he was searching for the forest.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Suggest you quit watching MSNBC..Least think of somethikng original to blabber about

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Originally posted by 788:
In 2016, Trump wasn't on my list of choices in the primary. I was deeply suspicious of him but voted for him in the general. His actions in office made me into a supporter. So, yes, it's reasonable to change your mind. I hope his 180 is sincere, but the proof is in the pudding.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
And Kampala Harris called goofy joe a racist....fought to keep her personally from being bussed....

What's your point lil mikey????

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Suggest you quit watching MSNBC..Least think of somethikng original to blabber about

Suggest you read the quotes from Vance and explain them....or STFU

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Suggest you quit watching MSNBC..Least think of somethikng original to blabber about

Suggest you read the quotes from Vance and explain them....or STFU

Mitchell, can you define what Kammi meant then when she called Pedo Joe a racist? Wait, don't. Just stay the hypocrite you always have been.

That said Vance wasn't my choice. I kinda hoped trump would have surprised everyone and picked Tulsi Gabbard. I do think she would have been a bridge and appealed to many more people.

I do think Vance will/would do a fine job. Certainly better than Harris.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Suggest you quit watching MSNBC..Least think of somethikng original to blabber about

Suggest you read the quotes from Vance and explain them....or STFU

Mitchell, can you define what Kammi meant then when she called Pedo Joe a racist? Wait, don't. Just stay the hypocrite you always have been.

That said Vance wasn't my choice. I kinda hoped trump would have surprised everyone and picked Tulsi Gabbard. I do think she would have been a bridge and appealed to many more people.

I do think Vance will/would do a fine job. Certainly better than Harris.

Ann, can you deflect and try to change the topic?

“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler,” Vance wrote in a message to a friend in 2016. “How’s that for discouraging?”

~Ann

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i guess he found the same "light" as kamela on Joe

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Suggest you quit watching MSNBC..Least think of somethikng original to blabber about

Suggest you read the quotes from Vance and explain them....or STFU

Mitchell, can you define what Kammi meant then when she called Pedo Joe a racist? Wait, don't. Just stay the hypocrite you always have been.

That said Vance wasn't my choice. I kinda hoped trump would have surprised everyone and picked Tulsi Gabbard. I do think she would have been a bridge and appealed to many more people.

I do think Vance will/would do a fine job. Certainly better than Harris.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Vance said during his last campaign that women should stay with their abusers for the family.

He will never be on a ticket I vote for.

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Tell me Lane, does Trump have the morals you attempt to instill in your son? The Lying, cheating, philandering, fraud that he is, are those the values you teach your boy?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Vance said during his last campaign that women should stay with their abusers for the family.

He will never be on a ticket I vote for.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Tell me Lane, does Trump have the morals you attempt to instill in your son? The Lying, cheating, philandering, fraud that he is, are those the values you teach your boy?

Well I see you edited your post…but I will respond.

All men are sinners and all men have redeeming values. Trump is no exception.

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I find it quite disheartening that we have so many obviously intelligent members here on AR whom make a habit of willfully mischaracterizing so much of what is presented into the public discourse.
Where the hell has the understanding of context and nuance gone?

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Vance said during his last campaign that women should stay with their abusers for the family.

He will never be on a ticket I vote for.

Not really.

He said:
“This is one of the great tricks that I think the sexual revolution pulled on the American populace, which is the idea that, like, ‘Well, OK, these marriages were fundamentally, you know, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy. And so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that’s going to make people happier in the long term.’

“And maybe it worked out for the moms and dads, though I’m skeptical. But it really didn’t work out for the kids of those marriages.”

His observation is backed up by the reality of the effect divorce, even divorce in strained marriages, has on children.
Separation from a parent during childhood has been linked with heightened longer-term violence risk as the child grows older.
So, I suppose it must be a choice of staying in and trying to mend a bad marriage, or dissolving the family and exposing the children to the greater likelihood that these children will face the disadvantages.


"The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

I find it quite disheartening that we have so many obviously intelligent members here on AR whom make a habit of willfully mischaracterizing so much of what is presented into the public discourse.
Where the hell has the understanding of context and nuance gone?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Good^^^post!

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Vance said during his last campaign that women should stay with their abusers for the family.

He will never be on a ticket I vote for.

Not really.

He said:
“This is one of the great tricks that I think the sexual revolution pulled on the American populace, which is the idea that, like, ‘Well, OK, these marriages were fundamentally, you know, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy. And so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that’s going to make people happier in the long term.’

“And maybe it worked out for the moms and dads, though I’m skeptical. But it really didn’t work out for the kids of those marriages.”

His observation is backed up by the reality of the effect divorce, even divorce in strained marriages, has on children.
Separation from a parent during childhood has been linked with heightened longer-term violence risk as the child grows older.
So, I suppose it must be a choice of staying in and trying to mend a bad marriage, or dissolving the family and exposing the children to the greater likelihood that these children will face the disadvantages.


"The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

I find it quite disheartening that we have so many obviously intelligent members here on AR whom make a habit of willfully mischaracterizing so much of what is presented into the public discourse.
Where the hell has the understanding of context and nuance gone?

I find it disheartening that JD Vance feels he that he is in better position to decide if someone should divorce than the two people married to each other. Why on earth does his opinion matter when it comes to the decisions two consenting adults make?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Vance said during his last campaign that women should stay with their abusers for the family.

He will never be on a ticket I vote for.

Not really.

He said:
“This is one of the great tricks that I think the sexual revolution pulled on the American populace, which is the idea that, like, ‘Well, OK, these marriages were fundamentally, you know, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy. And so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that’s going to make people happier in the long term.’

“And maybe it worked out for the moms and dads, though I’m skeptical. But it really didn’t work out for the kids of those marriages.”

His observation is backed up by the reality of the effect divorce, even divorce in strained marriages, has on children.
Separation from a parent during childhood has been linked with heightened longer-term violence risk as the child grows older.
So, I suppose it must be a choice of staying in and trying to mend a bad marriage, or dissolving the family and exposing the children to the greater likelihood that these children will face the disadvantages.


"The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

I find it quite disheartening that we have so many obviously intelligent members here on AR whom make a habit of willfully mischaracterizing so much of what is presented into the public discourse.
Where the hell has the understanding of context and nuance gone?

I find it disheartening that JD Vance feels he that he is in better position to decide if someone should divorce than the two people married to each other. Why on earth does his opinion matter when it comes to the decisions two consenting adults make?