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https://apple.news/AEFyK2jN5Tuir07JpBzpyfA https://www.edweek.org/teachin...the-backlash/2023/07 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/ne...s-slavery-education/ That enslaved people benefited from being slaves is education in FL. Just do not teach the David during Renaissance Art class bc middle schoolers will see a penis. I guess that is the objection. The FL GOP approach is much more damaging. The other is not damaged my at all. Oh, do not ignore FL banned an AP class on black history. This man who advances racist policies is who some see as the viable alternative to President Trump. The problem is not the candidates. I do not believe DeSantis believes in this. I believe he believes the GOP Faction he thinks he can steal to the nomination believes in it. You know like Gov. Wallace in Alabama. | ||
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The statement that Fla. teaches that slaves benefited from slavery is false. I watched a long interview with the black scholar that is responsible for most of the 200 page curriculum. He diagrees | |||
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This is no joke. Blacks is America today are living an infinitely better life than most blacks in Africa! | |||
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It is a grain of truth that turns a mediocre falsehood into one that makes us wonder... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Isn't incredible what the leftards will try to spin? | |||
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If you want one of links above have the actual standard imbedded fit you to read. Sorry, the guy paid to get it over is working you. The standard directs instruction on how slavery benefited the enslaved. I see we have Ignored banning an African American AP History Class. This is why and above responses is why the Dem Party are necessary, and why the GOP has lost its way. | |||
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While I disagree with banning anything, given the relatively poor history education offered in our secondary schools, offering a class that is that specialized in a public high school is flat out wrong. In order to understand a subset of history, you first need a good overview of history. An AP class for African American history only is dealing with at most 10% of the population and ignores its placement within the rest of the historical context. I agree that some African American topics absolutely need to be in our secondary school curriculum, and that slavery, it’s history in the US, including it’s compromise status from the beginning here, it’s role in development of our economy, it’s relationship to the cause of the civil war, it’s end, the development of Jim Crow, the civil rights movement, and the imperfect implementation of the civil rights acts are a necessary part of that… but not an area of concentration at that level. If you want to specialize to that extent, that’s graduate level history courses (or private interest) not in the purview of general public education. | |||
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From one of the gentleman that authored the paper... When will this current nightmare end. | |||
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Not believing Trump should be president again is one thing, but believing he’s the criminal creator of all anti-woke evil and all anti-socialist thought is another. TDS is fatal to common sense. It’s become a mandatory and willing suspension of disbelief of facts not part of Progressive/TDS propaganda. Stuff not even related to Trump can’t be believed (even coming from this professor’s mouth) if it even could be related to Trump. God help us. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Right. It's our fault that you elected and supported him. Christ.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Don’t forget, the Dems insisted on nominating HRC… If they had allowed nature to take its course, Sanders would have beaten Trump. America would be in a better place. And the same thing is likely to happen in 2024. Too bad you guys have to kill off the likes of Gabbard and RFK. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Gabbard quit the Democratic party for a more lucrative career being a pundit ala Tucker Carlson. No great loss in my mind. RFK never had a snow balls chance in hell, all his doing. I do wish for better candidates from both parties but find your examples lacking. | |||
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Who elected Kamala? I am sitting by a lake, feeding ducks. Every single one of these ducks has more brains than Kamala! And the stupid idiots who voted for her!  | |||
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Let me clue you in to something: Americans don't make decisions about which presidential candidate they are going to vote for based on the running mate. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Bullshit! Biden only got in because he picked a colored woman! A Very very very Stupid one at that! Your glorious FREE people picking their rulers! Did anyone mention SHEEPLE??  | |||
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Those on the left cannot accept that slavery, in any way, resulted in a net benefit to ANY black person. Those on the right, while they seem to be able to admit that slavery was an abhorrent institution, do show a real tendency to want to sugarcoat it. The argument is made, in the left wing film clip, that slaves would have still been able to learn the skills they learned, as free men. This is true, on its face, but they would not have gotten the opportunity, had they not been here. Would it have been better for a person to have gotten the opportunity to learn skills as a free man? Of course it would. Would he have had that opportunity in Africa? Probably not. Was it a good trade; freedom for learning? It was not. It was only a side benefit from a bad situation. It is in no way reasonable to teach that slavery was, by and large, beneficial to the slave. It is, however, perfectly reasonable to state that some slaves learned skills which were of benefit to them, individually. Those who dig in on either side of the issue, and suspend critical thought, are doing themselves a disservice, but that is what America is all about these days. Regards, Bill | |||
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So, the guy that wrote the curriculum is defending it?  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Let me clue you into something else. The next time you're in the states, don't use the term "colored woman" around African-Americans. You'll probably get knocked out if you do. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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The entire argument is absurd, unnecessary and offensive to most blacks. Virtually every single event in human history had an effect on subsequent human history, sometimes beneficial, sometimes not. It's like me arguing that World War II was a good thing because my parents met due to the fact that both were in the military as a result of World War II. No matter how you spin this stupid discussion, it comes off as trying to justify slavery. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Yeah, point taken. Palin might have cut both ways though. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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How do you even know if someone is african american? On the news here, almost all of them refer to themselves as A Person of Color. As many are dark skinned but not what they consider african origins. Likely somewhere in history, but not by their standards. | |||
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No matter how you spin this stupid discussion, it comes off as trying to justify slavery.[/QUOTE] Only if that is all you want to see. People who want to see the statement as justifying slavery will see it as such. If any slave did benefit in any way by his situation, they don't want to hear it, and will not hear it. If, historically speaking, an individual did realize some benefit, it is not wrong to let the record show this. To extend this and claim that all slaves benefitted by their servitude is wrong, and would be an example of trying to justify slavery. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Only if that is all you want to see. People who want to see the statement as justifying slavery will see it as such. If any slave did benefit in any way by his situation, they don't want to hear it, and will not hear it. If, historically speaking, an individual did realize some benefit, it is not wrong to let the record show this. To extend this and claim that all slaves benefitted by their servitude is wrong, and would be an example of trying to justify slavery. Regards, Bill.[/QUOTE] By that logic, WW2 was a good thing for me. Does that mean it was a good thing and beneficial? Hitler was a good thing? The Jews established Israel because of the Holocaust. So, the Holocaust was a good thing? The argument doesn't stand up. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Again, the argument is not that slavery (or the holocaust, or WWII) was a good thing, or beneficial on the whole. Only that some individuals managed to realize some benefit from it (it is doubtful that such an argument could even be made for the Holocaust, mind you). Again, and try to use your reading and comprehension skills here, it is not being claimed that slavery was a good thing. The claim is that some slaves learned skills which they could use to their own benefit. That they could better benefit from these skills as free men is not being debated; I think most would accept that this is the case. No one said WWII was a good thing for you (well, you said it, but I assumed you said it for illustrative purposes only), the claim would be that your parents realized some benefit from what was, on a global level, a bad situation. What you are doing is, you are taking a statement, ignoring the grammatic construction, and distorting the meaning to make an argument. In fact, you appear to be exceptionally capable of feigning ignorance in order to make an argument. Regards, Bill | |||
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Oh, I'll try to improve my reading comprehension skills while you try to argue that slavery was beneficial. It's such a ridiculous argument that only a republican could make it. Again, I encourage you to engage in this discussion with all of your black friends (if you have any and I suspect you do not) and see how they respond to it. I'm sure they will all agree that their forebears being ripped away from their homes, separated from their families, beaten and forced to toil long hours in the heat and the cold for zero wages and frequently little food and shelter was a positive force in their lives. All due respect but your position is idiotic. The only people that benefited from slavery were the gentry landowners who got free labor for some corn gruel or a bowl of barley a day so they could get rich. Speaking of a lack of comprehension, maybe you ought to do some reading on the topic. I suggest you start with Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States. Chapters 2 and 3. Learn something instead of parroting stupid shit that Ron DeSantis says. Slavery was an abomination and the fact that anything good may have come out of it doesn't bring the word "beneficial" to mind. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I’d agree that slavery did nothing good for the person involved. However, that’s not the argument a la Muhammad Ali. The fact that the slaves were brought here did get African immigrants here where their descendants have more opportunity than the average African who while may have had enslaved ancestors did not get the advantage of moving to a first world nation and it’s advantages. Even with all the complaints the black community has, and lack of power seems to be the big one, they are better off than their racially empowered comparts in, say, Zimbabwe or Mozambique. I’ve seen first hand the political violence in Africa. Sorry, no comparison over here. | |||
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The Dems closed ranks and killed Gabbard off after she destroyed Harris on her record on crime during the debates. Clinton and others painted her as an “Assad todie”. RFK could walk to the nomination, then presidency, if the party backed him. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Mike, let me clue you in on something: repeatedly asserting that black people, when offended, respond with violence makes you look racist. Would you make the same statement regarding offending Asians, Jews, Mexicans or any other group? I’ll clue you in on something else: the term “colored person” was the preferred term, but has become antiquated following the shot to “black”, and then to “African American”. It has never been a slur.
So you acknowledge that fact that some good came from slavery, but you have a problem with the word “beneficial” being used? We can all agree that the individual African Americans living today would not exist if not for the transatlantic slave trade. If you owe your very existence to something, then you benefited from it, correct? And yes, if your parents met due to WW2, then you benefited from the fact that WW2 took place. Does that mean that WW2 was “good”? Of course not. The same could be said of a person conceived through rape. Acknowledging those facts doesn’t mean that slavery or rape are any less horrific. Conveniently ignoring the fact that the consequences of slavery resulted in some benefit to African Americans paints them as being helpless victims within our society, much like their predecessors were as slaves. That is a picture that a lot of people want to paint, but it is not reality. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Then why do the parties go to such great lengths to choose a candidate’s running mate that compliments the ticket by strengthening a perceived weakness? Environmental Al alongside Clinton with his poor environmental record… Old hand Cheney with a very inexperienced GWB. Old hand Biden alongside a very young and inexperienced BHO Woman of color Harris alongside “old white guy” Biden. 2020 is a good example of this. Following 4 years of Trump, there was a very real backlash to the fact that most of our leaders are white males. Would Biden have won with a white male VP? Harris sure as hell wasn’t chosen due to her popularity and charisma. I do agree that voters don’t choose between candidates based on their running mates, but whether or not they make the effort to vote has a lot to do with how excited they are with their choice. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Even GOP black reps call the Slavery teaching a lie. But that's what FL repugs do. Trump: "Putin is a Genius" "Hezbollah is very smart"  | |||
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Who do you believe is more educated on the subject, the group who wrote the curriculum(half of whom were POC) or a bunch of GOP politicians? I haven’t even looked at the curriculum, so I’m not commenting on that. I’m just pointing out how silly it is to hold any group of politicians up as an experts over a group of scholars. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I sure wish my ancestors were slaves. Think of all the skills they could have picked up to pass down to their descendants. I might have learned how to shoe a horse or pick cotton. | |||
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Go back far enough, and they were. You were born here... you definitely got more than a few numbers on life's lottery. | |||
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I have read through the curriculum, and the African- American history segment is thorough and complete. The controversial sentence, regarding the learned skills which may have been of benefit, is not worded in such a way as to excuse slavery, nor does it insinuate that the institution of slavery was beneficial. This is not to say that some teachers may not skew the message. Public schools I have seen in Florida do not seem to be real bastions of learning. My daughter (a Florida resident) home schools her children and takes the job very seriously. I will undoubtedly hear more about this as my granddaughter and grandson will be studying according to this curriculum. To repeat, I see no statement advocating teaching that slavery was beneficial. Regards, Bill | |||
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Slavery did no good to those INVOLVED! Not a single person in America can claim he IS a slave! Excep to politics! | |||
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Slavery wasn't brought to the Americas by Europeans, it was already here. Knapping is among the skills lost in modernity. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Again, I am going to invite all of the folks advocating the idea that slavery was beneficial to blacks to ask their black friends about their opinion on the issue. Tell them, Jason....as you have on here...that you believe slavery was beneficial to blacks. I mean..they are the best folks to ask about it right? Throw it out there and let us know how it goes. None of your troll bullshit. Talk to your black friends ( if you have any ) and let us know if they agree with you. Leepers had nothing on this either. Apparently, only white people get to opine on the topic. Fucking idiots. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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MM I'm up to three african americans I've asked. The last one was very interesting talk. A 20 yr old college kid, who was visiting her friends from college here in town. I asked her thoughts on this. She said, before going to college, she would have jumped on a soapbox and ranted for all to hear how wrong it was. As it turned out, she was in college with a young lady from Bennin. She said what I learned from her struggles to get an education, and to be able to come to the USA for college, left me humbled. She said I grew up lower middle class, had a chip on my shoulder about it. She said she resented so many things, that I took for granted in my life, as not good enough as I was black. Her final words were, slavery was horrible, and still going on in Africa, even if more subtle than it was. She wished it had not happened here, but no way does she wish she was in the shoes of her friend from Bennin. And she is one of the few lucky ones. So far it's 3 for 3, they would rather be here in the US, even though there has been slavery, than be in Africa. | |||
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