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I guess I'm gonna have to vote for Kamala. I can't vote for a candidate that watches WW3 start. I place the blame for NOKO getting involved, squarely on Trumps shoulders. Formerly "Nganga" | ||
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Well, to be fair to Trump Little Kim and Vladimir Putin are among his very few friends. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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I see talk of a new nuclear arms race in some of the western european nations. | |||
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Many Countries figured as long as the United States had sane leadership they didn't need nuclear weapons of their own, but the prospect of a second Trump Presidency means all bets are off, they saw him abandon the Kurds to Turkey and Afghanistan to the Taliban and do all he could to weaken NATO for Putin. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Well, I guess your belief that trump is going to win aligns with the little dictator's thoughts. He damn sure knows trump isn't going to do anything about it. Maybe they can exchange some more beautiful love letters and hug it out. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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So, Trump's love fest speech at MSG didn't inspire you to vote for him? https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...cid=socialshare&t=21 FULL SPEECH: Former President Trump addresses rally at Madison Square Garden ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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That's ridiculous. Trumps MSG speech was energetic, positive and full of hope for America. Kamala's closing arguments today, were dark, and full of fear, anger and trepidation. She is the worst candidate since Michael Dukakis. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I figured you were just trolling us. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Since NOKO jumping in with Putin has absolutely ZERO to do with Trump, I figured you would get my sarcasm. Point being, the incompetent, feckless and appeasing Biden/Harris administration's uselessness, has allowed this conflict to escalate to the brink of a third WW. I guess since NOKO is actually in Russia, it probably is, by some definition, already there. Yet you guys are mad that Trump said Pussy. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I agree . . . if you happen to be a white middle aged male . . . if you happen to be a minority or woman, not so much. Mike | |||
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I agree too, for white fascist leaning of any age or gender. Very inspiring. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Sincerely, everytime someone like you says something like that I question my opinion and ask myself, what am I missing here? I didn't watch or read the speech, I can't stand the guy and avoid him at every avenue but that you say that gives me pause. And no, we don't hate Trump for saying pussy, we reject him because he said the Constitution should be suspended and you know that. Steve , how can you vote for a man that advocates rebellion? | |||
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Scott, I'm voting against Harris. And, my original point has been obfuscated very artfully. WW3 looms. Can Harris handle Putin and Kim? Honestly? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Ok, I understand. | |||
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Well, I for one do not understand. Harris isn't a seditionist, hasn't advocated rebellion, and hasn't been convicted of criminal fraud, nor had a jury verdict of sexual assault rendered against her. She doesn't call for suspension of the US Constitution to place herself in power. Why is your vote, Steve, even a close question? I request an answer that doesn't involve a lot of feeble posturing about how evil the Democrats are, as Ledvm is so fond of doing. And don't dredge up culture war issues, as Ann, Tomahawker, and a few others are fond of doing. If you stoop to their level, Steve, I'll be disappointed. | |||
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WWIII looms bc Putin believes the United States led by Trump would allow violations of NATO. | |||
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Might I direct you over here: https://forums.accuratereloadi...3811043/m/5671006972 | |||
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Steve, so you're saying it's fear that makes you vote for Trump? So, you think he will keep you safe, while gutting NATO? His speeches are always filled with fear mongering rhetoric to his flock, like you. And you don't trust a woman to handle Trump's buddies, Vlad and Kim. Other nations have had women leaders and that went well as far as I know. Harris is handling Trump quite well. That's a measure. Scott, I know what you mean about questioning one's opinion. Specifically asking oneself -- what am I missing here? I do that too and try to not fly through it and go with instinct. But instinct is mostly best. Take the above paragraph for example. It's rather easy to decipher where someone is coming from and saying. So, to follow your thought - maybe what is missing is that Steve likes Vlad, Kim, and what the terrorists do to Israel. Maybe he sees no need for NATO. We can project how Trump will fix all that in his first week in office. Trust him - he promised and said he's the chosen one. Steve didn't mention it but logically it follows - We don't need no professional civil service, or argumentative advisors, especially military and national security and justice. We need loyalists throughout, serving the whims of Trump, getting shit done on behalf of this Great Nation. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Nuttiest statement and thought process ever brought to discussion. The mindset that goes there is well…nutty.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Candidly, if we were in fact facing the real prospect of WWIII, which I personally believe is hyperbole, I would rather have anyone but Trump in the Oval Office. You have a person that acts impulsively, ignores the advice of those around him, judges his military leaders not based on their ability and candor but their fidelity, is seriously not that bright . . . such a person just does not strike me as someone you want to be Commander in Chief if the shit hits the fan. Mike | |||
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I'll answer both you and Roland. My reasons for a Trump vote (Voted Yesterday). I live less that two hours from the border. We have been experiencing this flood of illegals to nearly a social, economic and cultural breaking point. Nearly every traffic accident is with an illegal. They ARE NOT required to have insurance, but all of us legal Americans are. They are simply released by the responding officer, sent on their way, while we are left with a fucked truck and higher rates. Many of our stores and restaurants are now catering 100% to illegals, the clerks don't speak english. I am becoming a stranger in my own land. Don't pose the question about the border bill because it was shit and allowed the same, if not more to come in. But LEGALLY. 8500 a day. a 19.9 percent inflation since the beginning of the Biden administration. Harris has made many promises to have mandatory buy backs, confiscation of AR platforms. You cannot deny it. Crime is up, and you can't deny the fact that the FBI willingly gave cover by erroneously showing lower rates. Fuel prices; Yes, we are drilling and exporting record levels. But the international crude prices are set by supply and demand.When Biden called the Saudi's, whatever it was he said, murderers? They cut their daily barrel production, which lowered the supply. Biden doesn't allow Keystone, yet went ahead and turned around Trumps opposition the the Russian pipeline. Lawfare, Can't be proven, but it sure looks like only Trump and Trumps officials get indicted. The EV mandates. Any reasonably intelligent human see that as the dumb move it is. California has a 2035 limit on the end of IC engines, yet tell folks they can't charge their cars? hows that work? How does guy like us that go hunting for long periods of time, away from anywhere to charge a car, do that? I think EV's are cool, I am even considering a Lucid, but our society isn't ready to be forced to switch. Our military, it isn't and shouldn't be a social experiment. It needs to be the most lethal killing machine on the planet and have very high standards for volunteering. Men do not belong playing sports with women. I can't believe I actually had to type that one out. I think there should be mens categories, women categories and if they insist on not playing against other men, lets have an "other". I am not transphobic, or homophobic. I simply want them to just be who they are, not force their identities on others. Before I sold my business, I had a guy working for me that I knew was gay. He kept it quiet, but I knew. When I was positioning my business for me stepping down, prior the sale I promoted him to General Manager. He came into my office, closed the door and sheepishly told me the truth. I told him I knew and it doesn't matter to me. Just continue to do your job as best you can and leave your sexuality at the door, as should everyone. Fella's, Trump is FAR from perfect. Yet he brings policy in that my beliefs say are better for a continuation of America as we know it. We will survive him. Can we survive 25 million illegals? Can we survive 25 more? Can we survive a Nuclear conflict? More inflation? I am assuming there are more than a few in here that are high earners. You want more taxes for less services? Financially I've done better under Biden due to the rates some secure investments are paying. If Trump were to cut inflation and lower rates, I will have to move from some of those more secure investments, not more risk for the same return. So financially, Trump will cost me. I still fail to understand why we can't have civil disagreement in here? I still refuse to use expletives and call men cocksuckers or cunt or whatever else. When I come from and how I was raised, that gets you into a physical altercation, every time. I have my views on the matter, you have yours. I respect yours, even though I disagree. And MJines, his speech at MSG. It depends on which prism you decide to see it through. If your view is only white men liked it, I would call that seeing it though one of "the soft bigotry of low expectations" I for one, "wish" for one America. Blind to color, race, sex. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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OK, but lets look objectively at it. NOKO has men, equipment staging in Russia. Iran, for the very first time has fired directly on Israel. SO thats three of the "Axis or Evil powers, involved. I will try to find a definition of a WW and post it. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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You're still talking about fear. The discussion moved to Trusting Trump and his abilities vs Harris. Let's look at Trump's own words objectively: https://youtu.be/qqeDsmlkcIk?si=39GL5vWw_y9gEqOT Power https://youtu.be/i7v3VZgeuYU?si=3cwNqfDFWuFc0bpr Island ========================================== Trump says he knows more about anything than anyone, including generals: https://youtu.be/sR3f95BGIiA?si=via5g24XuPN95A1z https://youtu.be/kul34O_yMLs?si=dCJ5ZvO8H_wK62so https://youtu.be/YA631bMT9g8?si=PC8ePJ9G5sKsbbZI https://youtu.be/Lqpx_FiYCp4?si=MRqDbHV5ghkf2uFY https://youtu.be/QRz4Kjcj4TQ?si=9vlE-mb3CRM9lBzQ https://youtu.be/kul34O_yMLs?si=dCJ5ZvO8H_wK62so https://youtu.be/49kG7HfD-oM?si=5D2KRVRhaOwgolGb ============================================ ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Mines - Based on this definition, it is NOT. https://dictionary.cambridge.o...ry/english/world-war Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Not a single point you made makes me want to support a man who tried to steal the 2020 election and has the morals of an alley cat. Trump is running on a platform of grievances and retaliation and has proven he is unfit to lead repeatedly. Trump is an embarrassment through and through, if he wins, at least I can say I did not vote for that turd. Your rational leaves me scratching me head. The GOP is certainly no longer the party that Reagan loved, it is a shame too. | |||
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Right now we do have a mini world war. NATO is fighting Russia. In a war they had the CIA create! What is new ha?  | |||
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Can you specifically point our which part makes you scratch your head? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I agree Saeed but when there is room for disagreement, I'll give the benefit of doubt to the actual definition. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If it was up to me, I would eliminate all military weapons larger than a firearm a man can handle. Then any war declared between countries should be fought by their respective parliament members! Go Kamala Go! Or Go Cadet Bone Spur Go! | |||
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"Nearly every traffic accident is with an illegal." Really? Your position is that every traffic accident in Phoenix, AZ involves an udocumented person? Bullshit hyperbole. "Many of our stores and restaurants are now catering 100% to illegals, the clerks don't speak english." Go to stores where English is spoken. Quite common in US history for neighborhood stores to cater to the immigrants that lived in the neighborhood...including by speaking the language the immigrants speak. Italian, German, Polish, Vietnamese, Korean. Still happens. So what? You can't find a Wal_mart to shop at? "Harris has made many promises to have mandatory buy backs, confiscation of AR platforms. You cannot deny it." She has said that. It's not going to happen. "Crime is up, and you can't deny the fact that the FBI willingly gave cover by erroneously showing lower rates." Crime rates always fluctuate. Violent crime rates have plunged since the 1990's. What has Biden done that you think caused crime rates to increase? As for the FBI, it always amuses me when you folks think everybody in the FBI is a Democrat. Couldn't be further from the truth. "Fuel prices; Yes, we are drilling and exporting record levels." You said it, not me. "The EV mandates." Are you having trouble finding a vehicle that runs on gasoline? "Our military, it isn't and shouldn't be a social experiment." It's not. "It needs to be the most lethal killing machine on the planet and have very high standards for volunteering." It is and it does. "Men do not belong playing sports with women." They don't. I'm aware of the isolated instances. It just amazes me that the transgender thing has become the lynchpin of the GOP's campaign themes. It's all they talk about in Texas. The reality is that it a tiny percentage of people in the US are effected by anything that relates to a person being transgender. "Financially I've done better under Biden due to the rates some secure investments are paying." Again, you said it. Not me. Finally, trump is one hell of a lot more than "far from perfect." He is a seditionist who tried to overturn the result of a general election through lies, fraud and artifice. He fomented a riot in our Capital. We can expect that same thing again if he loses next Tuesday. Not acceptable. There are a lot of reasons not to vote for trump but there shouldn't need to be in order for a thinking person to make a decision about him. The foregoing ought to be enough. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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The totality of it. How can you support a lying, cheating, philander, fraud? A convicted felon? A man who ridicules handicapped people and deceased soldiers? Trump is vile on every level, his economic proposals are preposterous and his foreign policy could have been written by a 6th grader. The man is unfit in every metric used to measure a leader. | |||
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Not a bad idea, and the king should lead each charge, right out front. Tradition, and all that. A culture that levels any facility to rubble that makes weapons bigger than shoulder-fired would be about right. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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You are fighting your brothers the Saudis and hundreds of thousands of Sudanese are dead or displaced as a result. That is new  | |||
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Fear sells and both parties are active sellers. The GOP and Trump talk about WWIII, radical liberals, immigrants poisoning the country, confiscation of firearms, etc. The Dems and Harris talk about Trump retribution, mass deportations, fascism, etc. Fear sells and they know it and apparently many of us are strong buyers. My sense is that one of the main reasons we find ourselves in the political morass we have today is that the electorate is gullible and loves buying into the fear . . . reason and logic notwithstanding. Mike | |||
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What did Trump say about NATO? https://youtu.be/jGP1hJJNstI?si=AXYqBFYv-LLX8tDq Donald Trump says he would “encourage” Russia to attack Nato https://youtu.be/cYJCF90UdLQ?si=lpFy-Ctiu27t6sUP 'I will not protect you': Trump threatens to abandon NATO allies ========================================== Now remind me again about "mindset", "thought process" and "Nuttiest". ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I see a difference in the fear attributes you describe from both sides. "WWIII, radical liberals, immigrants poisoning the country, confiscation of firearms, etc." vs "Trump retribution, mass deportations, fascism, etc." The difference I see is how those factors are determined, rationally or logically, or not. The first set isn't really rational. Lots of emotion hype goes into the adjectives there and conclusions. The second set is basically Trump's own words and acts, with practically no embellishment in deciphering. Here's a good video, which IMO everyone should watch and listen: https://youtu.be/k0bAe-z4sIU?si=xUJ3g4n8w67oXCDs ‘He betrayed the nation’: Judge Luttig slams Trump, hopes Americans ‘come to their senses’ Polls indicate that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris remain in a deadlocked race for the presidency, but for some people the choice is crystal clear. “I hope Americans come to their senses,” former federal judge J. Michael Luttig tells Ali Velshi. He excoriates Trump for his disqualifying conduct before, during, and after his presidency. “The question is whether Donald Trump is fit, and he is not,” says Luttig. “When he was entrusted with the presidency before, he betrayed the nation.” ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Hear! Hear! Very well written Steve. Thank you for taking the time. . | |||
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This makes no sense from the way you guys talk about Trump. If Putin believes trump is going to win, why go all ballistic about the Ukraine war. Wait a few months and then Ukraine will both be disarmed by Trump and NATO will be unable to act without US funding. He gets to win his war at dramatically reduced costs. If Harris wins, regardless, the US will be having issues because you guys are convinced Trump and his supporters would be refusing the election and causing internal unrest and make it more difficult to organize a effective response. The only reason I can see for him pushing right now is that he feels the current POTUS is the inept one and either Trump or Harris would be more effective… Or he has some internal problems that require him to solve the war now or he is going to have severe consequences regardless of what the US does. Say what you will about Putin. While I buy he is a warmonger, he is reasonably adept at calculating his political advantage. He isn’t a dumb man. There is some reason for why he is doing this now, and I really don’t see what it is unless he sees weakness in Biden that he doesn’t in either Trump or Harris.
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