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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lady is just not very competent, intelligent, nor experienced. Not to mention all her ideas are bad ones. If she loses, it’s because of that…nothing more.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

Letter from when? What early Church?

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lady is just not very competent, intelligent, nor experienced. Not to mention all her ideas are bad ones. If she loses, it’s because of that…nothing more.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Don’t the Pauline Epistles speak of “Deaconesses”.
Romans 16:1
If I remember correctly, Paul used the same word for male deacons.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

Letter from when? What early Church?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

She is right.

A woman’s place is the kitchen and bedroom!

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lady is just not very competent, intelligent, nor experienced. Not to mention all her ideas are bad ones. If she loses, it’s because of that…nothing more.

Agree.
You see, the Democrats cannot fathom the possibility that not everything is boiled down to Bigotry, Racism or Sexism.
These tropes are easily used but completely ignore the complexity of the situation - dumbs it down so to speak.

I, and most conservatives I know, would be happy to vote for the right female candidate.

Roland, your father is of a different generation and not at all representative of the broader male population.
Maybe Kamala is just a generally unappealing candidate.

My condolences on the loss of your mother.

What did you think of Denver?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Don’t the Pauline Epistles speak of “Deaconesses”.
Romans 16:1
If I remember correctly, Paul used the same word for male deacons.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

Letter from when? What early Church?

Gov Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians, and Trajan’s Response

Therefore I placed two women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I found only a debased superstition carried to great lengths, so I postponed my examination, and immediately consulted you.

Let us not forget a woman preached in the New Testament salvation.

Phoebe is referred to a deacon recommended by Paul as “a succorer of many.” Paul left her to teach the congregation in his stead.

The early church’s best recruitment was women as slaves.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
When a candidate (and her supporters) use sex and race as primary reasons to vote for her, isn’t it a little naive to believe that her own sexist and racist bias might be a reason to vote against her. Using her language salad reasoning, “A wrong in the past doesn’t justify a wrong in the present.”

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Don’t the Pauline Epistles speak of “Deaconesses”.
Romans 16:1
If I remember correctly, Paul used the same word for male deacons.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

Letter from when? What early Church?

Gov Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians, and Trajan’s Response

Therefore I placed two women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I found only a debased superstition carried to great lengths, so I postponed my examination, and immediately consulted you.

Let us not forget a woman preached in the New Testament salvation.

Phoebe is referred to a deacon recommended by Paul as “a succorer of many.” Paul left her to teach the congregation in his stead.

The early church’s best recruitment was women as slaves.

I believe that "deaconess" in this sense is comparable to a sister of a religious order in the modern day. A nun.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Don’t the Pauline Epistles speak of “Deaconesses”.
Romans 16:1
If I remember correctly, Paul used the same word for male deacons.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

Letter from when? What early Church?

Gov Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan Regarding the Christians, and Trajan’s Response

Therefore I placed two women, called “deaconesses,” under torture, but I found only a debased superstition carried to great lengths, so I postponed my examination, and immediately consulted you.

Let us not forget a woman preached in the New Testament salvation.

Phoebe is referred to a deacon recommended by Paul as “a succorer of many.” Paul left her to teach the congregation in his stead.

The early church’s best recruitment was women as slaves.

I believe that "deaconess" in this sense is comparable to a sister of a religious order in the modern day. A nun.

The Roman Governor would use the word of the local congregation. The letter is clear if you want to read it he is ignorant of the religion. The congregants referred to in the letter are under torture. He is using their words.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a woman my age who works for one of our judges.

She believes, on religious principles, women should not hold offices of power or leadership.

She cannot reconcile that the early Church had female deacons. I have the letter from a Roman Governor to prove it.

She is right.

A woman’s place is the kitchen and bedroom!

And wear a sack over her head with holes to see through and always have a male relative escorting her, we know how goatherders like to treat women, the Taliban has spent years educating the world.

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
A liar worshipped by liars. If Harris wins, it will not be because she is black or female. It will be because she is not your white trash messiah.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
A liar worshipped by liars. If Harris wins, it will not be because she is black or female. It will be because she is not your white trash messiah.

I’m glad we all agree that she has no characteristics that make her a goood choice for POTUS.
You just said it yourself.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Yes, Trump has the racists and bigots firmly in his camp...but let's not forget the sexists.

I've been in Denver for the past week to meet with family for my mom's memorial service. We talked politics a bit.

My 95-year old father says he will never vote for a woman. Period. His sexism decides it for him.

My brother the aerospace engineer, who's consulted with SpaceX and met Musk personally, has always voted Republican, but now says he's voting for Harris. He considers Trump unfit for the office and worries what he would do in a second term in the White House.

My brother predicts that if Harris loses, it will be the sexist votes of people like our dad who cause it.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Strange post, Rolland..


The last 2 of Trump's campaigns got roughly 72-73 million votes
Biden got 81 and a bit million
Harris (atm) 68m

13 million Democrats voters didn't show up
13,000,000

Roughly 16% less dem votes for harris


Interesting fact, harris received slightly more votes than Clinton, but appears to be right inline with all results since 2008

So, judging by data, the dems OVERWHELMINGLY, hugely, vastly were over represented when voting for an old white man

It wasn't like 83m gop votes came out for trump.. in fact roughly 2million less people voted for trump in 24 than 20

But. Dang, I know, facts won't get in the way

but here's the facts
2008 election

2012 election

2016 election

2020 election

2024 election

as the dems votes show, DEMS vastly "over" supported an old white guy over the other candidates

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Do I think sex played a roll in Trump winning? yes I do. I know a number of older voters who are pretty strong democrats who would NEVER vote for a women even if that meant voting for Trump. The same people would coach their wife's to not vote for Harris. If it was enough to sway the election I do not know but it definitely was a factor.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Do I think sex played a roll in Trump winning? yes I do. I know a number of older voters who are pretty strong democrats who would NEVER vote for a women even if that meant voting for Trump. The same people would coach their wife's to not vote for Harris. If it was enough to sway the election I do not know but it definitely was a factor.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
I fully agree with you. Everyone has the right to vote for whoever they wish to for whatever the reason. People vote for a lot of reasons and sex is just one of them. I know people who would never vote for a women or a black or someone who is gay etc. I was just stating my believe that race and color probably played a factor in the race.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Neither, I am just saying I know people personally dems and reps that vote by race or sex etc. I think there are a lot more people than most people think (mostly old white males) that would never vote for a women or someone of color or other race. For example a friend of mine who is now dead told me in no uncertain terms he would never vote for a N**** when Obama was running. He was a great guy but very racist. He was a hard core democrat but would rather have voted for Putin than Obama just because Obama was black. I think there was a good number of people who would not vote for Harris because of sex and color.

The first time Trump won he was running against a while female and just barely won. The second time he was running against a while male that not a strong candidate but still lost. This time he was running against a black female again not a strong candidate and won. I think that if the Democrats would have put just about any decent white male against Trump then Trump would have lost. I don't think that Trump won the election, I think the democrats lost the election.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I figure it is the same in Blue States w 35-40 going to vote D regardless of anything else.