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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I watched the debate, and never heard him denounce it.

I'm not going searching for something that doesn't exist.

WOW --it was a really sophisticated google search
"presidential debate trump denies 2025"

first hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnunvxzpgE

i won't speculate why you didn't hear it

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You shouldn't have any trouble finding a quote to back up that claim, if Trump really did denounce it.

conditions met, can the collective "we", for once, not move the goals posts?

Do you know the meaning of the word "denounce"?

In your clip, he says he "has nothing nothing to do with Project 2025," but it has "some good ideas." That's not denouncing it.

I'm not moving the goal posts. You just can't kick a field goal.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I watched the debate, and never heard him denounce it.

I'm not going searching for something that doesn't exist.

WOW --it was a really sophisticated google search
"presidential debate trump denies 2025"

first hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnunvxzpgE

i won't speculate why you didn't hear it

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You shouldn't have any trouble finding a quote to back up that claim, if Trump really did denounce it.

conditions met, can the collective "we", for once, not move the goals posts?

Do you know the meaning of the word "denounce"?

In your clip, he says he "has nothing nothing to do with Project 2025," but it has "some good ideas." That's not denouncing it.

I'm not moving the goal posts. You just can't kick a field goal.

Weak sauce.. but if it helps you sleep at night

Weak rebuttal.

Trump states Project 25 is not his plan. I believe that Trump has no plans of his own design.

I believe Trump will put in positions of power those who will seek to implement Project 25 w his blessing. He sees the internal controls as limiting upon his goals. See his in ability to obtain an AG and DOJ to go along w his foolishness. The entire top end of DOJ threatened to resign when he tried to make Eastman AG.

Trump did not denounce Project 25 by saying some of it is good ideas, and it is not his plan.

Ultimately, I would not trust Trump on anything as he violated the greatest sin by trying to retain power he was not entitled to hold. Trump in doing that sin permitted violence to enter our election and transfer of Lowe. His words, his lies, created the powder keg that blew up. Trump intended to use that mob to remain in power.

This, Trump can say what he wants. I believe he will implement all or a percentage of Project 25. Regardless, his behavior post election is disqualifying.

I am voting for VP Harris.

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Trump did not denounce Project 25 by saying some of it is good ideas, and it is not his plan.

He also said he hasn't read it, yet he says it has some good ideas and some he disagrees with.

Isn't that contradictory? How does he know, if he hasn't read it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0....html?smid=url-share

The MAGA Movement Has Become a Problem for Trump
Sept. 22, 2024

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In 2024, the deep state that defeats Donald Trump might be his own...

That, after all, is what Project 2025 was actually meant to be. The 900-page tome that Democrats hoist in front of the cameras is a festival of policy options, detailed down to the sub-agency level...

But Project 2025 — and much else like it that has gotten less press — is more than a compendium of policy proposals: It is an effort to build a deep state of Trump’s own. The presidency is not one man, Diet Coke in hand, Fox & Friends on TV, barking orders. It’s 4,000-or-so political appointees — nearer to 50,000 if Trump again uses Schedule F powers to strip civil-service protections from vast swaths of the federal government — trying to do what they think the president wants them to do or what they think needs to be done. They do that by setting policy for the more than two million civilian employees of the federal government and by writing regulations that the rest of society must follow...

This, I would say, is the unifying theory of a second Trump term. Purge or break the federal bureaucracy. Fill it with vetted loyalists. Then use its power to pass policy, yes, but also to break or conquer the other institutions in American life that so vex Trump and his supporters. “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Kevin Roberts, the president of the Heritage Foundation, which oversaw Project 2025, said in July...

By all accounts, Trump and his campaign are furious that Project 2025 has been hung like a millstone around his neck. But there are two reasons their disavowals have counted for little. The first is that the campaign has treated Trump’s policy plans like a secret the public can only be let in on after his victory. His issues page is a joke, his official platform a Delphic collection of all-caps aphorisms backed up by the occasional bullet point...

The next Trump administration will do far more than the Trump campaign is describing, and Project 2025 — which was produced with input from more than 100 conservative organizations that see themselves as part of the MAGA-governing coalition — filled the void that Trump himself has left. He did not tell us what he was going to do, so Project 2025 did...

But now Trump is the leader of the Republican coalition. He cannot credibly divorce himself from the groups working day and night to secure his victory and staff his presidency. There is no competing power center that the media or the public can assume will do the governing that so bores Trump. But Trump is not temperamentally suited to the work of managing a coalition and he has not elevated a trusted ideological consigliere to do it for him. He is a diffident, distracted ruler, and the result is dozens of groups competing for his favor and unsure of how to win it.

The Heritage Foundation was one of these groups and Project 2025 their signature effort. In 2021, Roberts took over Heritage and retooled it into an organization dedicated to “institutionalizing Trumpism.” He sought centrality through both scale and publicity: Project 2025 was a vast undertaking, and Roberts promoted it relentlessly. This is now seen as folly, but it is easy enough to follow the original logic: Heritage has experience putting together governing documents for insurgent candidates, going back to the Mandate for Leadership that Ronald Reagan relied on in 1981, and Trump often rewards the loyalists he notices fighting for him in public. But Roberts went too far...

The MAGA coalition — particularly its elected officials and Washington staffer class — has grown beyond Trump. It has more views on more issues than he does. It has absorbed more specific and unusual ideologies than he has. It is more hostile to abortion than he is, or than he wants to appear to be. It is more committed to deregulating health insurance than he is, or than he wants to appear to be. There is a great gap between the MAGA leader who slept with a porn star and the factions in the MAGA movement that want to outlaw pornography, as Roberts proposed on Project 2025’s first page.

Trumpism is whatever Trump says it is, but MAGA is whatever his movement becomes...

It is telling that it is Vance, not Trump, who wrote a glowing forward to Roberts’s forthcoming book. Trump is where MAGA started, but Vance and Roberts is where it is going...

Trump’s problem in the 2024 election is that he can no longer run as if he is a man alone...

Everyone knew Mike Pence did not represent Trumpism. But Trump chose Vance to be the heir of the MAGA movement. A Trump administration would be full of people like Vance pursuing the agendas they believe in...

But this is why Trump’s disavowals ring so false: He is denying a reality of his second term that everyone else can plainly see. Project 2025 is not a perfect guide to that second term, but it the closest thing we have to one. It was all so much easier when the deep state was something Trump could complain about, rather than something he had to manage and own.