All because of MAGA lies to scare people over migrants. Reminds me of the guy who shot up a pizza joint bc Democrats were killing children.


https://apple.news/A0knDNphJS52hTrg6LDqkoA

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Reminds me of the guy who shot up a pizza joint bc Democrats were killing children.

Is that the joint that had no basement?

Your link won’t open for me. But we should be very concerned about these migrants. Foreign vagrants are showing up all over Gainesville these days. What positive purpose did it serve to let these people into our country?

And please elaborate on the lies.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Your link won’t open for me. But we should be very concerned about these migrants. Foreign vagrants are showing up all over Gainesville these days. What positive purpose did it serve to let these people into our country?

And please elaborate on the lies.

A third-hand Facebook rumor has been amplified into full-blown defamation of an entire community for political purposes resulting in the deranged followers of a demagogue calling in bomb threats that force schools to close. Now Trump is saying he'll deport naturalized citizens from Haiti to Venezuela.

You are still backing a moron.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Your link won’t open for me. But we should be very concerned about these migrants. Foreign vagrants are showing up all over Gainesville these days. What positive purpose did it serve to let these people into our country?

And please elaborate on the lies.

A third-hand Facebook rumor has been amplified into full-blown defamation of an entire community for political purposes resulting in the deranged followers of a demagogue calling in bomb threats that force schools to close. Now Trump is saying he'll deport naturalized citizens from Haiti to Venezuela.

You are still backing a moron.

You happily align yourself with liars:

The picture of the "Haitian immigrant" with the geese "stolen from a park":

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Did I use, validate, or even mention any photos?

Migrants are being dumped into towns — fact. They have been dumped into my town. I am concerned. My neighbors are concerned. Logic dictates concern.

My question was what specific lies are being told about these immigrants by Trump?

And, WHY would we want to import these people into our communities?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Migrants are being dumped into towns — fact. They have been dumped into my town. I am concerned. My neighbors are concerned. Logic dictates concern.

My question was what specific lies are being told about these immigrants by Trump?

And, WHY would we want to import these people into our communities?

Trump has explicitly claimed the Haitian-Americans (many in Springfield are citizens) have been killing and eating cats and dogs (he said it at the debate) and stealing ducks and geese from the parks in Springfield, Ohio, backed up by J.D. Vance, despite the Mayor and Police Chief and the Republican Governor all saying it's not true.

Ask this guy:
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SPRINGFIELD, Ohio — The woman behind an early Facebook post spreading a harmful and baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating local pets that helped thrust a small Ohio city into the national spotlight says she had no firsthand knowledge of any such incident and is now filled with regret and fear as a result of the ensuing fallout.

“It just exploded into something I didn’t mean to happen,” Erika Lee, a Springfield resident, told NBC News on Friday.


Lee recently posted on Facebook about a neighbor’s cat that went missing, adding that the neighbor told Lee she thought the cat was the victim of an attack by her Haitian neighbors.

Newsguard, a media watchdog that monitors for misinformation online, found that Lee had been among the first people to publish a post to social media about the rumor, screenshots of which circulated online. The neighbor, Kimberly Newton, said she heard about the attack from a third party, NewsGuard reported.

Newton told Newsguard that Lee’s Facebook post misstated her story, and that the owner of the missing cat was “an acquaintance of a friend” rather than her daughter’s friend. Newton could not be reached for comment.

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A third-hand Facebook rumor promoted by a supposedly serious Presidential candidate causing bomb threats against schools.

Republicans should be very proud.

I don’t know anything about the pet eating and don’t have the time to ferret out the actual truth.

There are however many more reports about it than the ones you mention. Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

The fact remains that vagrant migrants are increasing in our communities and I AM concerned about it.

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Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

But, Lane, what about the bomb threats?

Can you argue effectively about that, disconnecting the dots that lead back to Trump's lies and leading directly to reaction by some supporter, radical.

IMO, it's a linier trail.

Or is your best argument just to deflect?

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Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

But, Lane, what about the bomb threats?

Can you argue effectively about that, disconnecting the dots that lead back to Trump's lies and leading directly to reaction by some supporter, radical.

IMO, it's a linier trail.

Or is your best argument just to deflect?

His only arguments are to deflect or claim ignorance ("I don't have time to research what I'm saying").

MAGA influencers caught on Putin's payroll? Lane didn't see it. Or never listened to them. Or doesn't think Vlad is really a bad guy.

Disingenuous and dishonest should be tattooed on his forehead, he'll swallow any shit Trump craps out for a tax cut.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I don’t know anything about the pet eating and don’t have the time to ferret out the actual truth.

There are however many more reports about it than the ones you mention. Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

The fact remains that vagrant migrants are increasing in our communities and I AM concerned about it.

Lane,
Do you remember Garcia's in Matamoros, from the 80s? Back when you could wander around in a border town without undue fear of becoming an organ donor? I was wandering around, and one of the "shops" had tanned hides, and a PILE of small pelts ..
"que es?"
"gato"

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I don’t know anything about the pet eating and don’t have the time to ferret out the actual truth.

There are however many more reports about it than the ones you mention. Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

The fact remains that vagrant migrants are increasing in our communities and I AM concerned about it.

Trump let in just as many but you give him a pass on that.

Let's see.....are you suffering from the same dementia as he?

What we know is it is not factual designed to scare citizens into voting for Christian Nationalism out of fear of “others.”

What we know is Trump is a fool, and those who make excuses for him and the policies he is a spokesperson for are worse.

When people in positions of power or influence spread such lies people react.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What we know is it is not factual designed to scare citizens into voting for Christian Nationalism out of fear of “others.”

What we know is Trump is a fool, and those who make excuses for him and the policies he is a spokesperson for are worse.

How would you classify idiots who vote for Kamala and Pelosi??

I’ll call myself an idiot.

At least, the Administration negotiated a border legislation w conservatives that could pass the Senate and survive veto.

Unlike the Christian Nationalist in the House who killed it to have a wage issue to run.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What we know is it is not factual designed to scare citizens into voting for Christian Nationalism out of fear of “others.”

When people in positions of power or influence spread such lies people react.

Forgive me, please, as I take some liberty and re-state your sentence for clarity - not to change your intent.

What we know is that what Trump parroted is not factual. Instead, he said it as part of a continuing theme, fabricated apparently to garner fear of "others", perhaps in support of Christian Nationalism ideology.

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This kind of BS has to come from somewhere. I don't know the origin, but I read that one, perhaps more, of the worst conspiracy theory mongers was traveling with him - Laura Loomer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5Z7?ocid=socialshare She is just one more in a series of whackos Trump CHOOSES as influencers in his closed info loop. There have been many. At one time Sidney Powell was among that chosen group. I figure Trump chose Laura because, in his eyes, she's better looking, mind warped aside.

Other Facts:
He said it.
He probably believed it.
He said it for a reason.
And that reason wasn't of good will or intent.
It wasn't a one-off.
It was part of a continuing pattern of strategic lies.
One tangible thing as a result were the bomb threats.
The Cause and Effect didn't start with Trump nor end there.
The person who made the bomb threats was radicalized before Trump and his influence.
To a degree, more or less, there are many such people out there vulnerable to Trump's trigger.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What we know is it is not factual designed to scare citizens into voting for Christian Nationalism out of fear of “others.”

What we know is Trump is a fool, and those who make excuses for him and the policies he is a spokesperson for are worse.

How would you classify idiots who vote for Kamala and Pelosi??

You have never once stated a substantive disagreement with Harris' proposed policies, just thrown out mindless, childish bullshit like "Communist" and "bimbo".

She has more years of public service, and has won more democratic elections, than the entire Republican ticket, combined. She also has more endorsements from high-level Republicans who have served in Republican Cabinets than Trump has.

His own Vice President won't vote for him.

They negotiated in the senate, not with the house... The senate is controlled by the democrats.

That's not negotiating from a point of shared power.

I get that there are too many in the GOP who refuse to compromise... but the dems play these semantic games and try and come across at the party that is the sane ones, all the while using Machiavellian tactics to ensure they win. Its "smart politics" but its not by any sense a true compromise.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I’ll call myself an idiot.

At least, the Administration negotiated a border legislation w conservatives that could pass the Senate and survive veto.

Unlike the Christian Nationalist in the House who killed it to have a wage issue to run.

A Bill can originate from either the U.S. House of Representatives or the U.S. Senate and is the most common form of legislation. To become a law the bill must be approved by both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate and requires the Presidents approval.

https://matsui.house.gov/legis...residents%20approval.

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All your rationale, Doc, doesn't negate the fact that the border bill was quashed by means of a phone call from Trump to MAGA Mike, the speaker of the house. He refused to bring it before the house for vote, knowing it would pass in both houses, and Biden wouldn't veto it. It was properly negotiated in the senate, Schumer being the majority leader.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
They negotiated in the senate, not with the house... The senate is controlled by the democrats.

That's not negotiating from a point of shared power.

I get that there are too many in the GOP who refuse to compromise... but the dems play these semantic games and try and come across at the party that is the sane ones, all the while using Machiavellian tactics to ensure they win. Its "smart politics" but its not by any sense a true compromise.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I’ll call myself an idiot.

At least, the Administration negotiated a border legislation w conservatives that could pass the Senate and survive veto.

Unlike the Christian Nationalist in the House who killed it to have a wage issue to run.

Yeah, that is why they negotiated and got a Bill w Conservative Republican Support that could pass the Senate w majority D, filibuster, and could survive a veto.

What you have said has done nothing to absolve the House GOP.

No, they really did drop 15k foreigners in a town of 50k, that is in no way prepared for that amount. Schools, hospital, housing, ambulance, fire, courts, welfare, all overwhelmed. Shit, how long do you think the line at the bmv is now? It’s all this shit

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
No, they really did drop 15k foreigners in a town of 50k, that is in no way prepared for that amount. Schools, hospital, housing, ambulance, fire, courts, welfare, all overwhelmed. Shit, how long do you think the line at the bmv is now? It’s all this shit

Exactly!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I don’t know anything about the pet eating and don’t have the time to ferret out the actual truth.

There are however many more reports about it than the ones you mention. Usually where there is smoke…there is some fire.

The fact remains that vagrant migrants are increasing in our communities and I AM concerned about it.

Lane,
Do you remember Garcia's in Matamoros, from the 80s? Back when you could wander around in a border town without undue fear of becoming an organ donor? I was wandering around, and one of the "shops" had tanned hides, and a PILE of small pelts ..
"que es?"
"gato"

Yessir…remember the place well. I have spent a decent amount of time in Matamoros, Laredo, Piedras Negras, Acuña, and Juarez. Seen plenty of tanned cat and dog hides in all.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
No, they really did drop 15k foreigners in a town of 50k, that is in no way prepared for that amount. Schools, hospital, housing, ambulance, fire, courts, welfare, all overwhelmed. Shit, how long do you think the line at the bmv is now? It’s all this shit

We need objective reporting on this.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12...grants-election-ohio

"don’t have the time to ferret out the actual truth."

Seems to be a standard issue with right wingers.

That us be the already knows the truth. He knows the state lament was false, a lie, foolish, made Trump look like a donkey, and was made to scare people into voting for GOP.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
No, they really did drop 15k foreigners in a town of 50k, that is in no way prepared for that amount. Schools, hospital, housing, ambulance, fire, courts, welfare, all overwhelmed. Shit, how long do you think the line at the bmv is now? It’s all this shit

Exactly!

Haitian asylum seekers with legal work papers were recruited to come to Springfield in, wait for it...

2018.

Can anybody in the class tell us who was President in 2018?

The latest census data shows there were 5,264 people born in Haiti in the State of Ohio in July 2023.

Not the town of Springfield, the State.

For the 2023 school year the Springfield City School District had 7,227 students.

For 2024 it's 7,415.

Republicans lie. Then make up new lies to cover for the first lie.

And the lies of Trump and Vance bear more rancid fruit:

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Wittenberg University cancels events, activities after receiving shooting threat

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Trump

Look at this shit, from the Republican nominee for Vice President:

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Do cats only have two legs in MAGA-World, complete with chicken feet on them?

DeWine says bomb threats are all hoaxes and mostly coming from foreign countries.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
DeWine says bomb threats are all hoaxes and mostly coming from foreign countries.

From the Moscow branch office of the Trump campaign.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
DeWine says bomb threats are all hoaxes and mostly coming from foreign countries.

From the Moscow branch office of the Trump campaign.

Well that would mean Russia is in cahoots with Kamala like it was Hillary.

Bomb threats certainly did the Trump campaign harm — see this thread.

Jeffi left out the fact there is not a current census count to know how many recent arrivals.
He hates pesky facts like that.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Jeffi left out the fact there is not a current census count to know how many recent arrivals.
He hates pesky facts like that.

The count from last year was the latest available; the number of students in the local school system is up only slightly, which would likely not be the case if there had been a large influx of new residents.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
DeWine says bomb threats are all hoaxes and mostly coming from foreign countries.

From the Moscow branch office of the Trump campaign.

Well that would mean Russia is in cahoots with Kamala like it was Hillary.

Bomb threats certainly did the Trump campaign harm — see this thread.

It was the Trump Campaign who had a Russian Agent as campaign manager and released material obtained through Russia.

Oh, and met w Russians at Trump Towe with the BRA Russian Agent running all around the GOP.

And it was Hillary who collaborated with Russia in the production of the dossier.