188 years ago.

At 10 p.m. on March 5, the Mexican artillery ceased their bombardment. As Santa Anna had anticipated, the exhausted Texians soon fell into the first uninterrupted sleep many of them had since the siege began.[97] Just after midnight, more than 2,000 Mexican soldiers began preparing for the final assault.[98] Fewer than 1,800 were divided into four columns, commanded by Cos, Colonel Francisco Duque, Colonel José María Romero and Colonel Juan Morales.[95][96] Veterans were positioned on the outside of the columns to better control the new recruits and conscripts in the middle.[99] As a precaution, 500 Mexican cavalry were positioned around the Alamo to prevent the escape of either Texian or Mexican soldiers. Santa Anna remained in camp with the 400 reserves.[96][100] Despite the bitter cold, the soldiers were ordered not to wear overcoats which could impede their movements.[96] Clouds concealed the moon and thus the movements of the soldiers.[101]

At 5:30 a.m. troops silently advanced. Cos and his men approached the northwest corner of the Alamo,[99] while Duque led his men from the northwest towards a repaired breach in the Alamo's north wall.[102] The column commanded by Romero marched towards the east wall, and Morales's column aimed for the low parapet by the chapel.[102]

The three Texian sentinels stationed outside the walls were killed in their sleep,[103][104] allowing Mexican soldiers to approach undetected within musket range of the walls.[103] At this point, the silence was broken by shouts of "¡Viva Santa Anna!" and music from the buglers.[98] The noise woke the Texians.[104] Most of the noncombatants gathered in the church sacristy for safety.[105] Travis rushed to his post yelling, "Come on boys, the Mexicans are upon us and we'll give them hell!"[103] and, as he passed a group of Tejanos, "¡No rendirse, muchachos!" ("Don't surrender, boys").[97]

In the initial moments of the assault, Mexican troops were at a disadvantage. Their column formation allowed only the front rows of soldiers to fire safely.[106] Unaware of the dangers, the untrained recruits in the ranks "blindly fir[ed] their guns", injuring or killing the troops in front of them.[107] The tight concentration of troops also offered an excellent target for the Texian artillery.[106] Lacking canister shot, Texians filled their cannon with any metal they could find, including door hinges, nails, and chopped-up horseshoes, essentially turning the cannon into giant shotguns.[103] According to the diary of José Enrique de la Peña, "a single cannon volley did away with half the company of chasseurs from Toluca".[108] Duque fell from his horse after sustaining a wound in his thigh and was almost trampled by his own men. General Manuel Castrillón quickly assumed command of Duque's column.[26]

Although some in the front of the Mexican ranks wavered, soldiers in the rear pushed them on.[106] As the troops massed against the walls, Texians were forced to lean over the walls to shoot, leaving them exposed to Mexican fire. Travis became one of the first occupiers to die, shot while firing his shotgun into the soldiers below him, though one source says that he drew his sword and stabbed a Mexican officer who had stormed the wall before succumbing to his injury.[106] Few of the Mexican ladders reached the walls.[109] The few soldiers who were able to climb the ladders were quickly killed or beaten back. As the Texians discharged their previously loaded rifles, they found it increasingly difficult to reload while attempting to keep Mexican soldiers from scaling the walls.[26]

Mexican soldiers withdrew and regrouped, but their second attack was repulsed. Fifteen minutes into the battle, they attacked a third time.[26][106] During the third strike, Romero's column, aiming for the east wall, was exposed to cannon fire and shifted to the north, mingling with the second column.[26] Cos' column, under fire from Texians on the west wall, also veered north.[110] When Santa Anna saw that the bulk of his army was massed against the north wall, he feared a rout; "panicked", he sent the reserves into the same area.[111] The Mexican soldiers closest to the north wall realized that the makeshift wall contained many gaps and toeholds. One of the first to scale the 12-foot (3.7 m) wall was General Juan Amador; at his challenge, his men began swarming up the wall. Amador opened the postern in the north wall, allowing Mexican soldiers to pour into the complex.[109] Others climbed through gun ports in the west wall, which had few occupiers.[112] As the Texian occupiers abandoned the north wall and the northern end of the west wall,[109][112] Texian gunners at the south end of the mission turned their cannon towards the north and fired into the advancing Mexican soldiers. This left the south end of the mission unprotected; within minutes Mexican soldiers had climbed the walls and killed the gunners, gaining control of the Alamo's 18-pounder cannon.[101] By this time Romero's men had taken the east wall of the compound and were pouring in through the cattle pen.[112]

Interior fighting

As previously planned, most of the Texians fell back to the barracks and the chapel. Holes had been carved in the walls to allow the Texians to fire.[110] Unable to reach the barracks, Texians stationed along the west wall headed west for the San Antonio River. When the cavalry charged, the Texians took cover and began firing from a ditch. Sesma was forced to send reinforcements, and the Texians were eventually killed. Sesma reported that this skirmish involved 50 Texians, but Edmondson believes that number was inflated.[113]

The occupiers in the cattle pen retreated into the horse corral. After discharging their weapons, the small band of Texians scrambled over the low wall, circled behind the church and raced on foot for the east prairie, which appeared empty.[110][112][114] As the Mexican cavalry advanced on the group, Almaron Dickinson and his artillery crew turned a cannon around and fired into the cavalry, probably inflicting casualties. Nevertheless, all of the escaping Texians were killed.[114]

The last Texian group to remain in the open were Crockett and his men, defending the low wall in front of the church. Unable to reload, they used their rifles as clubs and fought with knives. After a volley of fire and a wave of Mexican bayonets, the few remaining Texians in this group fell back towards the church.[113] The Mexican army now controlled all of the outer walls and the interior of the Alamo compound except for the church and rooms along the east and west walls.[115] Mexican soldiers turned their attention to a Texian flag waving from the roof of one building. Four Mexicans were killed before the flag of Mexico was raised in that location.[Note 13][116]

For the next hour, the Mexican army worked to secure complete control of the Alamo.[117] Many of the remaining occupiers were ensconced in the fortified barracks rooms.[118] In the confusion, the Texians had neglected to spike their cannon before retreating. Mexican soldiers turned the cannon towards the barracks.[109] As each door was blown off, Mexican soldiers would fire a volley of muskets into the dark room, then charge in for hand-to-hand combat.[118]

Too sick to participate in the battle, Bowie likely died in bed. Eyewitnesses to the battle gave conflicting accounts of his death. Some witnesses maintained that they saw several Mexican soldiers enter Bowie's room, bayonet him, and carry him alive from the room.[119] Others claimed that Bowie shot himself or was killed by soldiers while too weak to lift his head.[120] According to historian Wallace Chariton, the "most popular, and probably the most accurate"[121] version is that Bowie died on his cot, "back braced against the wall, and using his pistols and his famous knife."[120]

The last of the Texians to die were the 11 men manning the two 12-pounder cannons in the chapel.[116][122] A shot from the 18-pounder cannon destroyed the barricades at the front of the church, and Mexican soldiers entered the building after firing an initial musket volley. Dickinson's crew fired their cannon from the apse into the Mexican soldiers at the door. With no time to reload, the Texians, including Dickinson, Gregorio Esparza and James Bonham, grabbed rifles and fired before being bayoneted to death.[123] Texian Robert Evans, the master of ordnance, had been tasked with keeping the gunpowder from falling into Mexican hands. Wounded, he crawled towards the powder magazine but was killed by a musket ball with his torch only inches from the powder.[123] Had he succeeded, the blast would have destroyed the church and killed the women and children hiding in the sacristy.[124]

As soldiers approached the sacristy, one of the young sons of occupier Anthony Wolf stood to pull a blanket over his shoulders.[123] In the dark, Mexican soldiers mistook him for an adult and killed him.[Note 14][125] Possibly the last Texian to die in battle was Jacob Walker,[126] who, wounded, ran to a corner and was bayoneted in front of Susanna Dickinson.[127] Another Texian, Brigido Guerrero, also sought refuge in the sacristy.[123] Guerrero, who had deserted from the Mexican Army in December 1835, was spared after convincing the soldiers he was a Texian prisoner.[125][128]

By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

Remember the Alamo

I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

Don't ruin a good legend.

Mike,

Thanks so much for the historical post. I am a history buff and a long time ago my wife and I visited the Alamo and took in much from an excellent tour presented by the Daughters of the Republic. I greatly enjoyed your post today. Lots of fascinating details that I never new.

My wife and I used to spend several weeks yearly in the USA, often visiting historical monuments, battle fields and settlements. With the USA political developments in the last decade we, like other Canadians, resigned to "no more travels to the USA".

After reading your post today, I would now like to go back to San Antonio one more time! ( After Trump is gone. I'm starting to pack. )

Thanks again for your excellent post on a significant event in North American history. Brian

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

I except the same spleen venting on the fourth of July from you...

The nicest thing I can reply is "who asked you?"

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

I except the same spleen venting on the fourth of July from you...

The nicest thing I can reply is "who asked you?"

only for 1812 ....

Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

It still sticks in my craw that you're from the only state bigger than us.

And, just to get back to the OP.

A small group of Texans, Mexicans, North Carolinians and some other folks stood up against overwhelming odds and fought to the death over the idea of an independent Texas.

Died to the last man fighting for an idea that they believed in.

188 years ago today. We should all remember it.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

It still sticks in my craw that you're from the only state bigger than us.

be patient: the 51st will be way bigger ...

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

It still sticks in my craw that you're from the only state bigger than us.

I'm in South Padre as we write.
Very impressive, got to see elons fireworks show tonight.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

It still sticks in my craw that you're from the only state bigger than us.

I'm in South Padre as we write.
Very impressive, got to see elons fireworks show tonight.

South Padre is nice. The fishing is great in the bay for reds.

Can't speak to Elon's fireworks. I'm sure it was awesome.

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Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Mike,

Thanks so much for the historical post. I am a history buff and a long time ago my wife and I visited the Alamo and took in much from an excellent tour presented by the Daughters of the Republic. I greatly enjoyed your post today. Lots of fascinating details that I never new.

My wife and I used to spend several weeks yearly in the USA, often visiting historical monuments, battle fields and settlements. With the USA political developments in the last decade we, like other Canadians, resigned to "no more travels to the USA".

After reading your post today, I would now like to go back to San Antonio one more time! ( After Trump is gone. I'm starting to pack. )

Thanks again for your excellent post on a significant event in North American history. Brian

Brian, thank you for the post. I was in Kamloops this past summer. Great town. It's a shame Canadians no longer feel welcome in the US. I think you would be OK in San Antonio. It is a tourist town and you'd be fine.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

I except the same spleen venting on the fourth of July from you...

The nicest thing I can reply is "who asked you?"

only for 1812 ....

I wasn't talking Canadian history -- I expect this loud-mouth to say spout off in exactly the same vein on 7/4 -- man up --

subjects are always jealous of free men

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

Fuck you you Canadian moron!!!!!

We where invited to Texas, by the Mexicans. That needed a buffer against the comanche. They promised us free land to settle, freedom of relogion....we bit! We where willing to fight the Comanche for the chance of land to grow on.......then as we started, not completed, but started to get ahead of the comanch.....the Mexicans shuffled the deck and made protastinism illegal and demanded that all citizens be catholic....basically rewrote their constitution..... We said screw em!!!!! We won!r

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Mike, I did read Ferhrenbach’s book you recommended on Texas history.

You did help further my education there. Much more to it than the movie “remember the Alamo” or thee 5 minutes they spent on Texas in high school US history that they do up here.

Ferhrenbach catches some flak these days for not being woke enough but he is, at least in my opinion, the definitive Texas historian. If you're interested, Stephen Harrigan from Texas Monthly has also recently written a history of Texas called "Big Wonderful Thing". Big read, 700 or so pages but it is also excellent.

I know everybody here thinks I am some liberal bastard but I am also a Texan through and through and love this state and will be loyal to it until the day I die. My parents were military and I was born overseas but I got to Texas as soon as I could at six weeks old and have never lived anywhere else and never will, much to my wife's dismay. I may not agree with the current leadership but.... Very proud to be from Texas and always will be.

Mike, everyone here knows you have/ had parents that loved you very much.
Noone thinks you're a bastard.

Okay.....that's funny.

He had parents, that's for sure......

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, just to get back to the OP.

A small group of Texans, Mexicans, North Carolinians and some other folks stood up against overwhelming odds and fought to the death over the idea of an independent Texas.

Died to the last man fighting for an idea that they believed in.

188 years ago today. We should all remember it.

Remember it and revere it.

Men standing up for a principle! Willing to sacrifice their all for a principle!


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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

I except the same spleen venting on the fourth of July from you...

The nicest thing I can reply is "who asked you?"

only for 1812 ....

I wasn't talking Canadian history -- I expect this loud-mouth to say spout off in exactly the same vein on 7/4 -- man up --

subjects are always jealous of free men

Thanks,

Yes, San Antonio was one of our favourite places for a get-away holiday. The River Walk was a great place to relax and dine. Back in the day I could I could take a stroll along the sidewalk beside the river while smoking a big black Madura cigar and it would even raise an eyebrow, while back in Canada at that time, it would have been a hanging offence.)

(A little politics:
Canadians who are aware, are concerned about the international damage that Trump is doing and they are pissed about it. I am not a "lefty" I vote conservative/Republican in Canada. Trump is not a republican he is just a bad man who flourishes off blind republican support he gets by appealing to their grievances, and he does bad stuff, like the tariffs. That is what we Canucks are worried about. I'll bet that most San Antonians feel the same way. As I remember Sam Antonio was one of the first cities in the USA to make a firm commitment to future use of renewable energy. They were always a "with it" centre.

Cheers, Brian

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

I except the same spleen venting on the fourth of July from you...

The nicest thing I can reply is "who asked you?"

only for 1812 ....

I wasn't talking Canadian history -- I expect this loud-mouth to say spout off in exactly the same vein on 7/4 -- man up --

subjects are always jealous of free men

i do not know if being a freeman under trump is really to be free ...

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I guess that goes to show how violently angry people can get at invaders and occupiers who try to take their territory against their will. By all means remember the Alamo, but keep it in context. The dead within those walls were not patriots defending a homeland, but invaders who got their asses kicked. It happens, if no lessons are learned.

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By 6:30 a.m. the battle for the Alamo was over.[127] Mexican soldiers inspected each corpse, bayoneting any body that moved.[125] Even with all of the Texians dead, Mexican soldiers continued to shoot, some killing each other in the confusion. Mexican generals were unable to stop the bloodlust and appealed to Santa Anna for help. Although the general showed himself, the violence continued and the buglers were finally ordered to sound a retreat. For 15 minutes after that, soldiers continued to fire into dead bodies.[129]

Fuck you you Canadian moron!!!!!

We where invited to Texas, by the Mexicans. That needed a buffer against the comanche. They promised us free land to settle, freedom of relogion....we bit! We where willing to fight the Comanche for the chance of land to grow on.......then as we started, not completed, but started to get ahead of the comanch.....the Mexicans shuffled the deck and made protastinism illegal and demanded that all citizens be catholic....basically rewrote their constitution..... We said screw em!!!!! We won!r

So your landlord changed the terms of your lease so you heroically became squatters?

Wrong yet again....or as usual...... They changed the terms and got their ass whipped!

My ancestors (Gibsons) arrived in America in 1620, fought Indians and Mexicans and established a legacy in a foreign land. I've never researched it, but there is a possibility that some of the Gibsons fought and died at the Alamo.

The men of the Alamo fought with honor, they fought with ferocity.
To the point the far superior number of Mexican soldiers, felt the need to desecrate the bodies to alleviate the fear they had, facing them while alive.
Any fighting force such as the men of the Alamo have my total respect.
Something the likes of dickweed, could never understand.

Well written!


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Originally posted by theback40:
The men of the Alamo fought with honor, they fought with ferocity.
To the point the far superior number of Mexican soldiers, felt the need to desecrate the bodies to alleviate the fear they had, facing them while alive.
Any fighting force such as the men of the Alamo have my total respect.
Something the likes of dickweed, could never understand.

Mexican casualty estimates vary wildly but the lowest credible estimate is 600. Other estimates go as high as 1600 out of an attacking force of 5,000. Roughly 200 defenders in the Alamo. Pretty good shooting. Can't fault the courage of the Mexican Army either. I wouldn't have wanted to walk into the fire being laid down by the Alamo defenders. They got shot to fucking pieces. That said, there were some reports that Santa Ana had troops behind the assault columns that were ready to shoot any Mexican army troops that failed to advance or that tried to retreat. Who knows?

Pretty good shooting indeed, Mike.
Especially as they were under rifle and cannon fire themselves.
If you get a chance, read Foxtrot Ridge by Mark Woodruff.
Less than 100 Marines battled an assault by 10 times their number, on the Laos border. No air support, no supplies dropped. They fought with captured weapons at the end, and hand to hand.
Over half of them killed and wounded, they never gave up.
They could have been Texans.

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They could have been Texans.

…but most likely they were just the hicks, the spics and the niggers that LBJ sent over there to bolster the share prices of Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics.

You’d fight like hell too if a bunch of people defending their homeland were determined to kill you. You never know, you might get your own chance to be a similar hero the way things are going!

Well dickweed.
I spent years fighting where my country sent me.
How many years of combat have you done?
You are simply another angry old man, of no relevance. The native americans had it right. When of no use to society, they left the old out to die, a waste of resources otherwise.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Well dickweed.
I spent years fighting where my country sent me.
How many years of combat have you done?
You are simply another angry old man, of no relevance. The native americans had it right. When of no use to society, they left the old out to die, a waste of resources otherwise.

You'll be old someday too.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Well dickweed.
I spent years fighting where my country sent me.
How many years of combat have you done?
You are simply another angry old man, of no relevance. The native americans had it right. When of no use to society, they left the old out to die, a waste of resources otherwise.

Up here we leave them out on the ice. Polar bears gotta eat to.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Well dickweed.
I spent years fighting where my country sent me.
How many years of combat have you done?
You are simply another angry old man, of no relevance. The native americans had it right. When of no use to society, they left the old out to die, a waste of resources otherwise.

Your senior years are coming, and as Trump has proven redundantly that he has no use for veterans you may be one of the first left out for the buzzards to pick at.

When I can no longer work, I will end myself.
I dont vacation, I have to be productive to be happy.
No way in hell I will sit around with no purpose.
My family knows that is my plan and accepts it.

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I spent years fighting where my country sent me .

You make my point for me. You got sent to fight far away from your home, with no threat to your own home or family.

I’m pretty sure you’d fight harder when you're the invaded, rather than the invader.

You’re right though, about me not being in combat. I never developed a taste for going to other folks homelands to kill them for the enrichment of some huge corporation back home. If someone invaded my homeland, I’d have no moral or ethical dilemma.

It's ironic that one or two posters here glorify the freedom fighters at the Alamo, while also being fine with our country betraying the freedom fighters in Ukraine.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It's ironic that one or two posters here glorify the freedom fighters at the Alamo, while also being fine with our country betraying the freedom fighters in Ukraine.

who asked you?

Name the names, little jimmy, or are you just spineless as well as witless?

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Originally posted by Skyline:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Well dickweed.
I spent years fighting where my country sent me.
How many years of combat have you done?
You are simply another angry old man, of no relevance. The native americans had it right. When of no use to society, they left the old out to die, a waste of resources otherwise.

Up here we leave them out on the ice. Polar bears gotta eat to.

ah ah Kelly again to the point lol ...