The truth begins to be revealed:

https://trendingpoliticsnews.c...dZwbPOyjfKO93vbcStUA

Now that they have no use for him any longer…he is fodder.

Got to take the focus of the lunacy of the new democrat ticket.....goofy joe will pardon his family.....

SOS, nothing really new.

Everyone already knew that Hunter was influence peddling.

And there is still nothing in evidence that supports prosecution of Joe.

Just more circumstantial. But if this is the best turnip ya got, wring it for all the juice it's worth, in the court of public opinion and affirmations. Joe may be history, but obviously you all still need Hunter.

We fully understand your MO, since you have demonstrated it so well so many times.

The claim that Joe is fodder - that's absurd.

There may come a day when the albatross of Trump becomes a dead whale hanging on the neck of the GOP. That ain't fodder, and the stink will last for generations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0....html?smid=url-share

Hunter Biden Sought State Department Help for Ukrainian Company
After President Biden dropped his re-election bid, his administration released records showing that while he was vice president, his son solicited U.S. government assistance.

Hunter Biden wrote at least one letter to the U.S. ambassador to Italy in 2016 seeking assistance for the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, where he was a board member.

Embassy officials appear to have been uneasy with the request from the son of the sitting vice president on behalf of a foreign company.

“I want to be careful about promising too much,” wrote a Commerce Department official based in the U.S. Embassy in Rome who was tasked with responding.

“This is a Ukrainian company and, purely to protect ourselves, U.S.G. should not be actively advocating with the government of Italy without the company going through the D.O.C. Advocacy Center,” the official wrote. Those acronyms refer to the United States government and a Department of Commerce program that supports American companies that seek business with foreign governments.

Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Mr. Biden, said his client “asked various people,” including the U.S. ambassador to Italy at the time, John R. Phillips, whether they could arrange an introduction between Burisma and the president of the Tuscany region of Italy, where Burisma was pursuing a geothermal project.

“No meeting occurred, no project materialized, no request for anything in the U.S. was ever sought and only an introduction in Italy was requested,” Mr. Lowell said in a statement, calling the outreach by Mr. Biden a “proper request.”

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“No meeting occurred, no project materialized, no request for anything in the U.S. was ever sought and only an introduction in Italy was requested,” Mr. Lowell said in a statement, calling the outreach by Mr. Biden a “proper request.”

So was hunter a registered foreign agent or not?

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So was hunter a registered foreign agent or not?

Don't know and don't care.

Not my job.

However, the article in NYT is sufficient for my knowledge vault.

Excerpt:

Hunter Biden has not been charged with violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, which requires people to disclose when they lobby the U.S. government on behalf of foreign interests.

In a court filing last week, in what was perceived as a pressure move, prosecutors indicated that they did not intend to add a FARA charge, but noted that they had evidence that Mr. Biden had reached out to the State Department on behalf of a different foreign client, a real estate magnate facing corruption charges in Romania. Mr. Biden did not register under FARA as a lobbyist for the Romanian developer or Burisma.

His outreach to the U.S. Embassy in Rome on behalf of Burisma, which has not been previously reported, echoes other episodes for which he has been criticized for implicitly leveraging his father’s political clout to try to advance his foreign business.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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So was hunter a registered foreign agent or not?

Don't know and don't care.

Not my job.

Especially since Joe is no longer a useful idiot.

Talking about useful idiots, and his propaganda magahorn:

“This is, I think, the biggest political corruption scandal in our history’s lifetime,” Representative James R. Comer, a Kentucky Republican and the chairman of the Oversight and Accountability Committee, said on Newsmax last week after the prosecutors’ filing about Mr. Biden’s outreach for his Romanian client.

Huuum? The Times article relates that hunter was trying (for pay) to influence or stop the prosecution of Burisma. Joe then withholds a cool billion to achieve Hunter’s scheme.
I think you keep forgetting that committing extortive acts to benefit your family is just as much criminal as if you received the money yourself.

The truly terrifying part of this whole Biden crime family is that the Democrats, I believe, knowing full well what happened , claimed that it was Trump who should be impeached for simply attempting to find out what was the truth and why the prosecutor was fired. He, Trump, was doing his job as president and idiots and traitors like Adam Schiff perverted the offices of our government against Trump for their own benefit.
January 6 was a terrible event. I don’t know that it’s a lesser thing to create a fraudulent impeachment proceedings to get rid of a sitting president. I wonder which is worse.

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Huuum? The Times article relates that hunter was trying (for pay) to influence or stop the prosecution of Burisma. Joe then withholds a cool billion to achieve Hunter’s scheme.

So, you didn't get the memo? Or is it that you ignored it?

First, I didn't see that within the NYT article. Please quote it exactly.

Second, your claim has already been debunked many times.

I refuse to rehash it again.

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"The truly terrifying part of this whole Biden crime family is that the Democrats, I believe, knowing full well what happened"

So, as you say, you are terrified of your own belief in lies.

That seems fitting somehow. That's a very common affliction among radicalized conservatives GOPers. I won't taint the notion of conservatives by adding the adjective of radicalized. Real conservatives, what's left of them, aren't radicalized.

The truth, so long denied by you, hurts, doesn’t it.

“Debunk” verb. The act of making up bizarre theories to avoid accountability and valid conclusions reached by deductive reasoning and investigation. First popularized in O. J. Simpson trail. I.e., If it doesn’t fit you must acquit as “debunking” overwhelming proof of guilt. Used most frequently by TDS victims when denying the obvious.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The truth, so long denied by you, hurts, doesn’t it.

“Debunk” verb. The act of making up bizarre theories to avoid accountability and valid conclusions reached by deductive reasoning and investigation. First popularized in O. J. Simpson trail. I.e., If it doesn’t fit you must acquit as “debunking” overwhelming proof of guilt. Used most frequently by TDS victims when denying the obvious.

Wow!!!

I'm still surprised sometimes at the spin. You spun two words - Truth and Debunk.

During one of our political arguments my far-right first cousin once said to me: "Reality sucks". Since reality is so closely associated with Truth, we can say Truth sucks, sometimes. Hurt or joy, etc., can be a byproduct.

So, "Truth or verity is the property of being in accord with fact or reality."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth#Notes

Untrue is in accord with something not fact or reality, dishonest.

Debunk is "An informal verb that means to show that something is less important, less good, or less true than it has been made, expose the falseness or hollowness of a myth, idea, or belief, to refute or expose something as false or misleading."

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Huuum? The Times article relates that hunter was trying (for pay) to influence or stop the prosecution of Burisma. Joe then withholds a cool billion to achieve Hunter’s scheme.
I think you keep forgetting that committing extortive acts to benefit your family is just as much criminal as if you received the money yourself.

The truly terrifying part of this whole Biden crime family is that the Democrats, I believe, knowing full well what happened , claimed that it was Trump who should be impeached for simply attempting to find out what was the truth and why the prosecutor was fired. He, Trump, was doing his job as president and idiots and traitors like Adam Schiff perverted the offices of our government against Trump for their own benefit.
January 6 was a terrible event. I don’t know that it’s a lesser thing to create a fraudulent impeachment proceedings to get rid of a sitting president. I wonder which is worse.

Wow. Anytime I wonder what sort of an idiot could ever support trump, all I need to do is come here and read nonsense like this.

Complain to the Progressives’ Bible, the New York Times, not me.

And as to my tongue in cheek definition of “debunk”, I do maintain that those with TDS do use it as I portrayed.

Alas, TDS is a big opponent of logical (and here) cumulative compilation of fact.

Somebody tell me how you dismiss Hunter referring to his dad as “the Big Guy”. TDS sufferers say he was just “puffing”. That communication wasn’t to a client for his selling influence. It was to his family, for goodness sake. How the hell do you deny Joe’s involvement? Debunk that.

And as to Mike’s comments, even though his TDS demands it, he should try hard not to knee-jerk that opposing Biden’s criminal behavior and the fellow travelers who suppress proof of such translates into support of one candidate over another.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

Alas, TDS is a big opponent of logical cumulative compilation of fact.

Somebody tell me how you dismiss Hunter referring to his dad as “the Big Guy”. That communication wasn’t to a client for his selling influence. It was to his family.

How the hell do you deny Joe’s involvement? Debunk that.

opposing Biden’s criminal behavior and the fellow travelers who suppress proof of such translates into support of one candidate over another.

TDS is just made up, not a fact.

Who's dismissing Hunter calling his dad “the Big Guy”? You answered your own question.

Joe's involvement needs no debunking, since it's only a claim with no proof.

What criminal behavior, on the part of Joe? What suppressed proof? Seems to me that proof suppressed involves actual proof first. You don't have proof or evidence that it was suppressed.

Could it possibly be that people like Comer, and those who believe his BS are those who have their reason clouded due to favoring one candidate over another?

You are stating made up BS as facts.

O the real truth on how the Democrats inner circle still run and control there slimy Democrats sheep!

The truth is that Joe is going to serve out his term honorably and retire honorably and history will record him as a great POTUS. He will enjoy his retirement and be respected by the people that count, just like Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy, BTW is looking forward to celebrating his 100th birthday by voting for Harris/Walz.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Huuum? The Times article relates that hunter was trying (for pay) to influence or stop the prosecution of Burisma. Joe then withholds a cool billion to achieve Hunter’s scheme.
I think you keep forgetting that committing extortive acts to benefit your family is just as much criminal as if you received the money yourself.

The truly terrifying part of this whole Biden crime family is that the Democrats, I believe, knowing full well what happened , claimed that it was Trump who should be impeached for simply attempting to find out what was the truth and why the prosecutor was fired. He, Trump, was doing his job as president and idiots and traitors like Adam Schiff perverted the offices of our government against Trump for their own benefit.
January 6 was a terrible event. I don’t know that it’s a lesser thing to create a fraudulent impeachment proceedings to get rid of a sitting president. I wonder which is worse.

Despite all the blathering, you haven't provided a shred of proof that Joe Biden was a party to Hunter's shenanigans. Nor any proof that there was any Biden crime family.

What I read from it, is that Ukraine was actively trying to tidy up corruption. Which is good. And the US Govt was not getting involved regardless of who hunters father is. Which is also good.

A co-conspirator ratting out another co-conspirator with independent corroborating evidence is proof sufficient to uphold a conviction in most all courts. For example see Cohens claims agains Trump in N.Y.

The laptop, emails and texts (along with sworn witness statements) are contemporary records of Hunter’s crimes, many of those proof of facts created by Hunter himself. He is a co-conspirator. As recorded, his statements relating his fathers criminal acts are admissible when corroborated
by independent factual evidence, i.e, Joe’s public acts (and admission) of withholding funds from Ukraine until Hunter’s quest to suppress prosecution of Burisma (and Hunter himself) was accomplished. Biden bragged (quite stupidly) of his part in the scheme. Play the tape for goodness sake. Joe provides corroborated evidence of Hunters claims. He cooks his own goose.
Furthermore, the 10% to the big Guy wasn’t puffing as TDS suffers want to claim. The communication was to fellow conspirators who knew the scheme, not clients Hunter was trying to impress. It was Hunter’s whining complaint which, if corroborated proves Daddy’s benefit (when poor Hunter did all the work).

Think about it. What proof showed Trumps intent to influence the presidential election. Cohen’s testimony, right, he being a convicted party to the crimes alleged. Here we have better evidence than Cohens claims. We have written claims by Hunter of his Dads involvement in the pay for play and Joe’s quid pro quo. Trump’s corroborating actions included the signed check. Joe’s collaboration of Hunter’s claims is Joe’s public explanation (or bragging confession or statement against interest) of what he did… and on tape, at that.

BTW, Federal law is clear that actually receiving cash personably by the accused is not a necessary element of the crime.

I don't know the word "consconsist," and can't find it on the internet. Please define it for us.

You haven't quoted or provided sufficient details for your allegations that Hunter implicated Joe, or that Joe confessed in public. Just what do you claim these two said?
In context, please.

Your recitation would not support a conviction.

Did I get the typo fixed?
I thought everyone interested in American politics had seen the tape in which Joe bragged he had withheld funds (or guarantee of funds) from Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired. The New York Times now shows Hunter was being paid to effect that end. Joe was subtle not in the least. He bragged that he used his influence as VP. Okay, the NYT says Hunter was a Burisma agent. Hunter’s laptop (now admitted by he FBI and 51 Russian intelligence gurus as real and contemporary to the Biden family actions) claims Joe was raking 10% of family profits for influence peddling… ad nausem…
Funny you say my claims wouldn’t support a conviction. Before the truth became public and it became evident that Joe and Hunter were the real culprits, Democrats certainly thought it sufficient to find Trump guilty of a high crime and misdemeanor. Did you forget the Schiff “quid pro quo” allegations.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I don't know the word "consconsist," and can't find it on the internet. Please define it for us.

You haven't quoted or provided sufficient details for your allegations that Hunter implicated Joe, or that Joe confessed in public. Just what do you claim these two said?
In context, please.

Your recitation would not support a conviction.

Also:

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu...1629&context=facpubs

The irony is just amazing. Biden knew that the Democrats were trying to void/steal the election of Trump with impeachment and allowed it for the most despicable reasons of all. Fear of accountability, power and greed. Schiff and the little fat guy who wears his britches up to his tits ?? discovered Biden’s culpability (as did the Justice Department and the NYT) and continued their soft coup.

Lots of folks are in jail for breaching the security of the Capital and most should be. It’s just bizarre that Schiff and crew attempted to overthrow Trump’s election and they didn’t even have to break in to the building because they were already inside and holding the scared (and misplaced) trust of the American people.

Wow!

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Also:

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu...1629&context=facpubs

The irony is just amazing. Biden knew that the Democrats were trying to void/steal the election of Trump with impeachment and allowed it for the most despicable reasons of all. Fear of accountability, power and greed. Schiff and the little fat guy who wears his britches up to his tits ?? discovered Biden’s culpability (as did the Justice Department and the NYT) and continued their soft coup.

Lots of folks are in jail for breaching the security of the Capital and most should be. It’s just bizarre that Schiff and crew attempted to overthrow Trump’s election and they didn’t even have to break in to the building because they were already inside and holding the scared (and misplaced) trust of the American people.

Wow!

Wow! You're really nuts, aren't you?

President Biden was not in government during Trump’s impeachments.

Then VP Biden hammered down every attempt to prevent Trump’s electoral certification.

Our entire premise is false. There was nothing for President Biden to allow or disallow during Trump’s impeachments. President Biden held no governmental position. You are trying to mislead people or are lost.

Is it impossible for you to look past what you have already wrongly decided to be true, and embrace the new and uncontroverted evidence which has now been published? The Russian/Hillary hoax aside, as stated above, the quid pro quo impeachment farce was created by Democrats when Biden was caught successfully extorting relief for his son. Biden, was VP when this crime was committed. Biden then allowed the Democrats to impeach President Trump, or try to un-elect him, in effect, knowing full well that Trump’s inquiry, “the perfect phone call” wasn’t an impeachable offense. Heck, it was a valid inquiry into Biden’s admitted malfeasance.

“I did it, not the Donald” was all he had to say quietly to his power brokers to stop the attempted coup. Having no respect for America or Americans, he took the cowards route and let it happen, even campaigning on the impeachment lies when running for President.

That’s Joe’s legacy.

I'm done with you. You just blather on and on, deliberately or foolishly parroting innuendo and unsubstantiated accusations, without providing quotes or other proof.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Biden was not in government during Trump’s impeachments.

Then VP Biden hammered down every attempt to prevent Trump’s electoral certification.

Our entire premise is false. There was nothing for President Biden to allow or disallow during Trump’s impeachments. President Biden held no governmental position. You are trying to mislead people or are lost.

Good.post

Shall we expect you mirror this post when persons say trump blocked the immigration bill?

Jeffe,
when will you be posting over on the despicable thread?

I'm eager to hear your unbiased opinion of Trump's comments on Medal of Honor recipients.

I'll throw some water on

Steve

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persons say trump blocked the immigration bill

MAGA Mike did it on Trump's behalf like a loyal servant, as ordered by Trump.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Biden was not in government during Trump’s impeachments.

Then VP Biden hammered down every attempt to prevent Trump’s electoral certification.

Our entire premise is false. There was nothing for President Biden to allow or disallow during Trump’s impeachments. President Biden held no governmental position. You are trying to mislead people or are lost.

Good.post

Shall we expect you mirror this post when persons say trump blocked the immigration bill?

Well, the problem with your position is Trump called for the bill to be killed. Speaker Johnson admitted he spoke w Trump about the bill before Johnson decided not to allow a vote.

Of course, you will refuse to see this difference.

Trump did not kill the Bill. House Republicans killed the Bill bc Trump during a campaign year made it known he did not want it passed.

OK, if the Socialist/TDS sheep believe that it is OK for the vice president of the United States to be involved in his son’s and brother’s influence peddling and extortion racket, (all admitted and corroborated in inculpatory statements by the son, in writing and confirmed by witnesses, pictures, bank records etc.) then being further okay with Joe allowing the house to impeach his political opponent still lying about his involvement, I can’t help you. God help America if we allow our leaders to put their fear of accountability (and desire for power) above the best interest of our nation. I believe Biden (and Trump, for that matter) have (and had) a duty to something’s greater than themselves and those are The Constitution and the People. So, too, rightfully or not, I believe U.S. citizen/posters here have a duty to be honest with themselves in their definition of truth and what’s the higher good. Biden’s allowing the first impeachment to go forward was his acquiescent to an attempt of a bloodless coup. With what has slowly and painfully oozed from the MSM, it’s only Hoffer’s True Believers that still maintain otherwise. (And you could say the same about some of the red hat dudes.)
Folks, no matter how much you enjoy your TDS highs, the ends don’t justify the means…
Red or Blue.

Read below if you will.

https://oversight.house.gov/th...e-peddling-timeline/

Judge
"Their" side can never admit to mistakes or wrong doing, they just change the meanings of words and present "alternate facts"

Nuance on most lefties is wasted, but any words they can twist one way to make "the other guy" look bad, can be twisted the other way

"This is the truth, this has always been the truth" g Orwell, 1984

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
OK, if the Socialist/TDS sheep believe that it is OK for the vice president of the United States to be involved in his son’s and brother’s influence peddling and extortion racket, (all admitted and corroborated in inculpatory statements by the son, in writing and confirmed by witnesses, pictures, bank records etc.) then being further okay with Joe allowing the house to impeach his political opponent still lying about his involvement, I can’t help you. God help America if we allow our leaders to put their fear of accountability (and desire for power) above the best interest of our nation. I believe Biden (and Trump, for that matter) have (and had) a duty to something’s greater than themselves and those are The Constitution and the People. So, too, rightfully or not, I believe U.S. citizen/posters here have a duty to be honest with themselves in their definition of truth and what’s the higher good. Biden’s allowing the first impeachment to go forward was his acquiescent to an attempt of a bloodless coup. With what has slowly and painfully oozed from the MSM, it’s only Hoffer’s True Believers that still maintain otherwise. (And you could say the same about some of the red hat dudes.)
Folks, no matter how much you enjoy your TDS highs, the ends don’t justify the means…
Red or Blue.

Read below if you will.

https://oversight.house.gov/th...e-peddling-timeline/

This is interesting, whether truth/reality or not, the Judge honestly and truly believes what he said.

I did read the link. It's convincing. But I don't trust Comer or Gem Jordon at all with something as important as truth. I have my reasons based in evidence. https://thehill.com/homenews/h...amily-investigation/

Comer wrote to Raskin in a letter. “However, the Oversight Committee must not be used as a means to propagate false or deceptive information, and for that purpose, we must address public statements you have made that contradict facts and are, unfortunately, lies.”

IMO, that's utterly ironic and hypocritical.

IMO, this is something that highlights the division in the country.

The Judge mentioned "Hoffer’s True Believers" so I looked it up: https://philosophynow.org/issu...%20fellow%20fanatics.

That's a deep dive into philosophy.

In politics, now, a "True Believer" needs to be defined. We know what a true believer is in the context of religion. In politics or religion, it's believing something is true and that truth is supported by a series of belief deemed fact, practically none of which is actually supported in facts.

IOW, something is "true" based on belief thereof, and supported by belief as well.

It's important to know that unsubstantiated "belief" doesn't equal truth or reality, but the effect happens anyway. "It is what it is" means nothing to True Believers. Instead, it is what is believed, facts don't matter.

People are passionate with their beliefs, and that's reality to them just as much as a scientist who relies on verifiable facts.

This, dear folks, is the fundamental reason for the division.

The Allegory of the Cave.

The problem is the Judge should be intelligent enough to see through the lie he is advancing. I give him credit to be so intelligent.

Trump once upon a time told the truth, sorta.

He said something like "I could shoot someone on 5th avenue and wouldn't lose any support"

Let's look at it in net sum terms. Depending on who he shot, he would lose some support and gain some who approved. The main base wouldn't change, so the net would be much the same. Policy counts most, ya know.

That's True Believers.

My surmise:
Joe awoke one morning realizing he was a U.S. Senator. All the other guys in the club (and many of their families) got rich with insider trading, getting under the table money, kickbacks for constituent services, earmarks for buddies and influence peddling. The Senate leadership didn’t even care. Hell, they did it too.
This inevitable wealth had become the vested right of both Demo and Republicans. In the before internet world and storable and retrievable records of about every damn breath one takes, who could “follow the money” anyway. Joe even said you couldn’t find his stash. Ops, Joe. Your son’s, brother’s and family’s shell companies became discoverable. Damn Al Gore and his invention.

Anyway, as time passed, Joe progressed up the partisan ladder and never stopped his (and his family’s) side business.

But technology and his unbridled ego, his son’s stupidity and drug addiction caught up with him.

Is Joe worse than the rest of the most exclusive club in the world. Not really.

But what Joe did when he got caught is much worse than his basic “collection” of the vested right to riches as a Senator. He put himself ahead of the nation. He should have left political life and just counted his money. That all-to-frequent S.O.P. for disgraced and disgruntled Senators is well know and respected. But Joe doubled down and both his sins of commission and OMISSION are indeed despicable.

Look at the damage. A poster here still believes Trump was the one who was abusing his office with a quid pro quo call when contemporaneous money transfers, the laptop (and now even New York Times) show Biden’s extortion. Unbelievable you might say, but the seeds of disbelief and hate were unnecessarily buried deep in most all of America. TDS and any corresponding pro-Trump messiah syndrome followed.

Yeah, Biden had a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, but exercising that right and thereby causing a Constitutional crisis and God only knows the eventual outcome, is, again, despicable.

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thereby causing a Constitutional crisis

What constitutional crisis did Joe cause?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news...worth-160108436.html

What Is Joe Biden’s Net Worth in 2024?
Vance Cariaga
Mon, Mar 4, 2024, 5 min read


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0....html?smid=url-share
NYT
Joe Biden’s Tax Returns Show More Than $15 Million in Income After 2016

https://finance.yahoo.com/news...mcoWOI08wLd0Boh2xRrM

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I did a google search on "James Comer's lies"

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

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Anyone parroting Comer's lies ought to be ashamed. That includes Fox. However, many have vested interests in lies.

I used the words advisedly.
When one branch wrongfully and with falsified evidence abuses the a Constitutional process to remove the duly elected head of another branch, that malfeasance is a Constitutional Crisis. Our founding fathers realized that possibility and and to protect the Constitution (and the nation) they therefore did not allow a simple majority in the Senate to be sufficient to let that coup-like abuse be unchecked.