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I'm aware that the source is viewed with a jaundiced eye in some quarters, but the question remains...

https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/a...nford-research-shows

AI is at a point where it can maybe/maybe not replace entry-level workers.
Managers looking to reduce expenses will start there, and reap quarterly happiness.
Who will mentor them and replace them when the old coots are gone?


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it was designed to be a partner, CEOs are turning it into "employAIs" ( just coined that, too funny)


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By 2035 they estimate most research jobs, most tech jobs, analysis jobs, legal research etc will be done by AI.

Not a bad time to be a landowning farmer.

Conspiracy theorist would ask why Bill Gates owns so much farm land.
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A rare point of agreement, AI will indeed make some jobs obsolete and will be of great benefit in other areas. I'm not so sure that the predictions, especially regarding the scale and speed of change will be accurate.

I did hear a very interesting story the other day about how AI was helping research narrow the focus of possibilities when it comes to things like developing new antibiotics, really intriguing.
 
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I wouldn't assume you're safe from AI competition, no matter what your field. When I first heard of the issue, I thought freelance fiction writers were safe. An AI will never be able to produce creative works. Wrong! Cases of AI-authored fiction are appearing more and more often, some using stolen names.

What unscrupulous AI creators do is feed in a writer's work so the AI can reproduce that work, the style, plots, character depictions, and so on. Current copyright law provides real authors with no protection because the AI's output is considered an original work. At least that's prevailing opinion.

I suspect an AI took my name, reversed it so the last name was first, and is selling digital novels on Amazon. A search of my name turns up the AI's novels also. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=jam...215&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Why do I think it's an AI? First, my last name, Sarafin, is not common: it's borne by only one in more than 800,000 people in the US. Use of Sarafin as a first name is even rarer. What are the odds of someone named "Sarafin James" becoming a fantasy writer?

Second is is the "author's" prodigious, incredible output of something like a novel every month or so. It takes most authors a year or more to produce a novel.

My last name is rarely used as a first name, and when it is, it's a male name. "Sarafin James" is described in her/its website as female.

It might be a real person who chose the name as a nom d' plum, a pen name, I guess. But why that name? In any event, it makes me mad and I don't know of anything I can do about it.

I expect lawyers and doctors to be next. Professionals will be replaced with AIs, and laborers with robots.

Maybe we'll all have to go on a living wage from the government.
 
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I wouldn't assume you're safe from AI competition, no matter what your field. When I first heard of the issue, I thought freelance fiction writers were safe. An AI will never be able to produce creative works. Wrong! Cases of AI-authored fiction are appearing more and more often, some using stolen names.

What unscrupulous AI creators do is feed in a writer's work so the AI can reproduce that work, the style, plots, character depictions, and so on. Current copyright law provides real authors with no protection because the AI's output is considered an original work. At least that's prevailing opinion.

I suspect an AI took my name, reversed it so the last name was first, and is selling digital novels on Amazon. A search of my name turns up the AI's novels also. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=jam...215&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Why do I think it's an AI? First, my last name, Sarafin, is not common: it's borne by only one in more than 800,000 people in the US. Use of Sarafin as a first name is even rarer. What are the odds of someone named "Sarafin James" becoming a fantasy writer?

Second is is the "author's" prodigious, incredible output of something like a novel every month or so. It takes most authors a year or more to produce a novel.

My last name is rarely used as a first name, and when it is, it's a male name. "Sarafin James" is described in her/its website as female.

It might be a real person who chose the name as a nom d' plum, a pen name, I guess. But why that name? In any event, it makes me mad and I don't know of anything I can do about it.

I expect lawyers and doctors to be next. Professionals will be replaced with AIs, and laborers with robots.

Maybe we'll all have to go on a living wage from the government.


jimmy, why is your law license listed as "suspended" ????


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Your question doesn't have anything to do with the thread topic or my post, but that's typical of you.

I'm only responding now because your question has a factual basis, but is asked in a way to impugn me.

My Alaska law license was indeed suspended by the Alaska Supreme Court, and I am no longer allowed to practice...for nonpayment of bar dues. In Alaska, in order to practice law or hold yourself out as a lawyer, you must be a member of the state bar association. In order to be a bar member, you must pay annual dues of $600-700 per year (as I recall).

When I retired, I quit paying the dues. Didn't seem like a prudent expense. Oh, I gave up the "Bar Rag" newletter and the right to weigh in on active judges and judicial candidates; but I didn't care about that stuff anymore. Most retired Alaska lawyers make the same decision, sooner or later.

Since I quit paying dues, the bar association applied to the AK Supreme Court to suspend my license in a blanket application for more than a hundred lawyers, and the court granted the application. I was not disbarred and the suspension is not a sanction for misconduct. If I ever want to practice law again, applying for readmission as a practicing lawyer would be a formality. So long as I pay my dues.

Now that's the whole story, and I have no intention of answering any more of your questions or carrying on a discussion with you.
 
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Your question doesn't have anything to do with the thread topic or my post, but that's typical of you.

I'm only responding now because your question has a factual basis, but is asked in a way to impugn me.

My Alaska law license was indeed suspended by the Alaska Supreme Court, and I am no longer allowed to practice...for nonpayment of bar dues. In Alaska, in order to practice law or hold yourself out as a lawyer, you must be a member of the state bar association. In order to be a bar member, you must pay annual dues of $600-700 per year (as I recall).

When I retired, I quit paying the dues. Didn't seem like a prudent expense. Oh, I gave up the "Bar Rag" newletter and the right to weigh in on active judges and judicial candidates; but I didn't care about that stuff anymore. Most retired Alaska lawyers make the same decision, sooner or later.

Since I quit paying dues, the bar association applied to the AK Supreme Court to suspend my license in a blanket application for more than a hundred lawyers, and the court granted the application. I was not disbarred and the suspension is not a sanction for misconduct. If I ever want to practice law again, applying for readmission as a practicing lawyer would be a formality. So long as I pay my dues.

Now that's the whole story, and I have no intention of answering any more of your questions or carrying on a discussion with you.


Good to know. I also have dropped several of my lesser certs, for the same reason. In aggregate they were over 2k per year and ot was in an elder tech set that I never hope to need to work in. Same as my painters union dues

Immune you? Sorry, thats on your end and y I ur perception


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I wouldn't assume you're safe from AI competition, no matter what your field. When I first heard of the issue, I thought freelance fiction writers were safe. An AI will never be able to produce creative works. Wrong! Cases of AI-authored fiction are appearing more and more often, some using stolen names.

What unscrupulous AI creators do is feed in a writer's work so the AI can reproduce that work, the style, plots, character depictions, and so on. Current copyright law provides real authors with no protection because the AI's output is considered an original work. At least that's prevailing opinion.

I suspect an AI took my name, reversed it so the last name was first, and is selling digital novels on Amazon. A search of my name turns up the AI's novels also. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=jam...215&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Why do I think it's an AI? First, my last name, Sarafin, is not common: it's borne by only one in more than 800,000 people in the US. Use of Sarafin as a first name is even rarer. What are the odds of someone named "Sarafin James" becoming a fantasy writer?

Second is is the "author's" prodigious, incredible output of something like a novel every month or so. It takes most authors a year or more to produce a novel.

My last name is rarely used as a first name, and when it is, it's a male name. "Sarafin James" is described in her/its website as female.

It might be a real person who chose the name as a nom d' plum, a pen name, I guess. But why that name? In any event, it makes me mad and I don't know of anything I can do about it.

I expect lawyers and doctors to be next. Professionals will be replaced with AIs, and laborers with robots.

Maybe we'll all have to go on a living wage from the government.

Are you saying this Sarafin James' writings are an accurate representation of your work? If so, I do find this to be somewhat alarming. Even more disturbing is the production of alleged non-fiction works by AI. You can imagine the potential issues of AI-produced, rewritten, history. Elementary school textbooks written by AI, and intended to mold students in a desired shape, are another obvious concern.
Anyway, I see that the lovely (though no photo exists) Sarafin comes from a large family, has two kids (father unidentified), and is fond of cats. Sounds pretty generic for a modern female fantasy writer. Weird stuff. Bill.
 
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Are you saying this Sarafin James' writings are an accurate representation of your work?


I don't know. I haven't been able to bring myself to read more than a paragraph; and I'm sure not going to buy a copy.

It's the similarity of names that bothers me. Many lists of names, including authors, put the last name first. I would be "Sarafin, James" on those lists. So who is Sarafin James? What I object to is the confusion between her work and mine. If a reader likes some of my work, I don't want them buying the AI's work by mistake.

Why me? I'm a little known writer, not Stephen King--who would have lawyers all over someone writing as "King Stephen." The only thing I can think of is that I have won a national contest, received an award from Mystery Writers of America, and have been a finalist on other awards. Maybe they also think I'll be unlikely to hire a lawyer to go after them.

Still trying to decide if I have a reasonable low-cost way to go after them.
 
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From looking on the website, it really does look like a phony construct. The biographical sketch is so generic, it's sickening.
I suppose, if the author being used for a basis is any good, AI-generated literature could be entertaining enough, but there needs to be a disclaimer prominently displayed. Good luck and keep us posted. I, for one, am interested. Regards, Bill.
 
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Could it be that literacy is as bad as this article says?

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...tudents-fail-society

Kind of says there is much of a generation with low skills that can't earn a decent living here and can't either afford to move where the low-skilled jobs are or thrive during the culture shock that comes with the move.


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Could it be that literacy is as bad as this article says?

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...tudents-fail-society

Kind of says there is much of a generation with low skills that can't earn a decent living here and can't either afford to move where the low-skilled jobs are or thrive during the culture shock that comes with the move.



That article is disgusting and shocking. How can you go through twelve grades and not know how to read? Yes, blame should fall on the schools, but where were the parents?
 
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Well, surprise, surprise, surprise...

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Deal with the public any length of time and you find out that there are lots of folks who are functionally and technically illiterate. The schools are watering down standardized exams because too many of the "right people" get bad scores. Social promotion is rampant, and grades are so inflated that what would be a 4.0 average when I was a student is now something like an 8.0 if they actually grade you...

We are told that we need to write out discharge instructions at a max level of 6th grade. Kind of hard when the concepts we are talking about are rather higher level. Most hospitals are now using automated software to write out the discharge instructions so that they cannot be sued for not using "understandable language" even though it won't help if the person doesn't get it- the health care team should know better...

Too many "kids" now days don't get real english and grammar, but utilize "texting" english which is mostly somewhat bizarre acronyms and make fun of you if you don't know them... (I rather pointedly have told family members I can google that crap if I really care, but if they can't figure out a legal paper or a medical discharge, google ain't going to help their sorry rears. A cousin called once asking what a "febrile reaction" was at 3AM. Once I woke up I deliberately used high level language to make my point and then said temp over 101.3. I then asked why they called me at 3 AM instead of during the day like a normal polite person... Honest to god, he said if I am up, you can be too... he just read it on a old piece of paper. And folks wonder why people turn their phones off ringer.)

Maybe we do need to get rid of the illegals... too many here don't have the skills for anything other than unskilled labor.

I don't disagree about the question of where are the parents, but it seems a lot of them are in the same lot.

The old saw of the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree certainly has some validity.

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Every time we predict the future…the future reveals our ignorance.


Could it be that literacy is as bad as this article says?

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...tudents-fail-society

Kind of says there is much of a generation with low skills that can't earn a decent living here and can't either afford to move where the low-skilled jobs are or thrive during the culture shock that comes with the move.



That article is disgusting and shocking. How can you go through twelve grades and not know how to read? Yes, blame should fall on the schools, but where were the parents?
 
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Every time we predict the future…the future reveals our ignorance.


Could it be that literacy is as bad as this article says?

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...tudents-fail-society

Kind of says there is much of a generation with low skills that can't earn a decent living here and can't either afford to move where the low-skilled jobs are or thrive during the culture shock that comes with the move.



That article is disgusting and shocking. How can you go through twelve grades and not know how to read? Yes, blame should fall on the schools, but where were the parents?


Social promotion, jim. How have you not been paying attention... oh.. no kids, am I right? Challenge me again on why my late in life baby child went to private school and why I am behind school vouchers.. elder three went to the best public school I could afford to live in, costing time and treasure to move there, as the fear of failing (being held back) was a thing and a social stigma.... today, there aren't idiots still in the 5th grade. I wasnt given a choice on the baby. The wife told me where the child was going to school and told me to setup payments. I was often the STEM guest lecturer .. guess you missed those things
Anyway, baby child thought teenage rebellion was to choose, oh lort, UT over A&M. They were in lab superior, in every way to my Sr and post grad work, in third 2nd year.

Their 2nd half of HS was entirely on par with my first 2 years of college.

Lecture me again on vouchers, I could use the laugh

All of my kids could weld, paint, perform electrical work, change oil and tires, and "balance a checkbook " before being loosed on the world.. the baby could, did, and still does, out perform me in math and other STEM fields. They are amazing.

"They" don't use 3rd person pronouns, I use those to protect them


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Well, surprise, surprise, surprise...

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Deal with the public any length of time and you find out that there are lots of folks who are functionally and technically illiterate. The schools are watering down standardized exams because too many of the "right people" get bad scores. Social promotion is rampant, and grades are so inflated that what would be a 4.0 average when I was a student is now something like an 8.0 if they actually grade you...

We are told that we need to write out discharge instructions at a max level of 6th grade. Kind of hard when the concepts we are talking about are rather higher level. Most hospitals are now using automated software to write out the discharge instructions so that they cannot be sued for not using "understandable language" even though it won't help if the person doesn't get it- the health care team should know better...

Too many "kids" now days don't get real english and grammar, but utilize "texting" english which is mostly somewhat bizarre acronyms and make fun of you if you don't know them... (I rather pointedly have told family members I can google that crap if I really care, but if they can't figure out a legal paper or a medical discharge, google ain't going to help their sorry rears. A cousin called once asking what a "febrile reaction" was at 3AM. Once I woke up I deliberately used high level language to make my point and then said temp over 101.3. I then asked why they called me at 3 AM instead of during the day like a normal polite person... Honest to god, he said if I am up, you can be too... he just read it on a old piece of paper. And folks wonder why people turn their phones off ringer.)

Maybe we do need to get rid of the illegals... too many here don't have the skills for anything other than unskilled labor.

I don't disagree about the question of where are the parents, but it seems a lot of them are in the same lot.

The old saw of the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree certainly has some validity.



I guess I haven't dealt with many illiterate people. The people I dealt with as a lawyer could generally read and write; illiterate people don't tend to hire lawyers (can't afford it) unless they're arrested. I do recall a few people in jury pools who said they couldn't read or write; the judge dismissed them with no objection from the lawyers.

As a writer, I'm dealing with other writers, editors, agents, and the like. People who tend to be highly literate. Although in a writers' critique group I joined, there is one young woman whose grammar is atrocious. She just cannot understand the rule against dangling participles or why it exists. "Walking into the room, a glass was broken on the floor." Most literate people might not know this mistake is called a dangling participle, but they know it's bad grammar. I teased you about one of these the other day, Doc, but that was because it was an unusual mistake for you to make.

As for unskilled, illiterate illegals, I agree with you. We don't need more people who can't read and write...in English.
 
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