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Originally posted by Jefffive:

It was never that way in the United States, no matter how good a black man was at his job he was always less than any white man, although slightly better off than a black woman. An openly gay person was even further down the ladder regardless of how well they did their job. All "DEI" ever did was attempt to level the playing field so we had an actual meritocracy, where the "best for the job" applied instead of "the best white man for the job".

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

It was never that way in the United States, no matter how good a black man was at his job he was always less than any white man, although slightly better off than a black woman. An openly gay person was even further down the ladder regardless of how well they did their job. All "DEI" ever did was attempt to level the playing field so we had an actual meritocracy, where the "best for the job" applied instead of "the best white man for the job".

You must live in a very bad place. My workplace was very diverse with many of the minorities reaching high ranks throughout the years. Funny, everyone got a long just fine too.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Ask MJines, Heym, Enima, Headuphisass, Jeffie, Bertram, SHankspony, Mike Michell, and the other WOKES on here. They love the transgender movement and want to be the leaders pushing the trans movement on the rest of us moving forward. Bunch of degenerates.

The trouble is, you have your head stuck so far up your own arse, that you don't have a clue what my thoughts are on that subject and you never paid any attention to anything but your own opinion.
As someone who has voted right my whole life though, I recognise you as an embarrassment too decent conservatives, and would much rather be lumped in with that group, given the choice of that or yourself.

remember that guy that called ME a libbie? wow, that was epic laughter

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A straight up.... M.E. Stop giggling like a schoolgirl..

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Originally posted by sjr:

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Originally posted by nute:
Live and let live. Amazing how many people object to others views being “forced” on them, but see no problem with doing just the same themselves

Yes for sure live and let live .
But why do we have a whole month of "Pride" shoved on our faces ?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And here is your full blown donkey of the day.

Rock Hudson was a man and very masculine.

A gay man without any other qualifiers is a better human than M Shy.

I don’t think people care whether an individual is gay or not.

What has happened is they are made to be something special!

Like half men competing in women’s sports.

THAT is the problem!

The hundreds of millions being spent on tally pointless DEI!

What happened to the best person for the job??

Regardless of him or her being white, black, pink or yellow!

Or straight or gay??

It was never that way in the United States, no matter how good a black man was at his job he was always less than any white man, although slightly better off than a black woman. An openly gay person was even further down the ladder regardless of how well they did their job. All "DEI" ever did was attempt to level the playing field so we had an actual meritocracy, where the "best for the job" applied instead of "the best white man for the job".

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It was never that way in the United States, no matter how good a black man was at his job he was always less than any white man, although slightly better off than a black woman. An openly gay person was even further down the ladder regardless of how well they did their job. All "DEI" ever did was attempt to level the playing field so we had an actual meritocracy, where the "best for the job" applied instead of "the best white man for the job.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
God made male and female. Psychosis made anything else.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
No I don't think so. I think it is way more complex than that.

There seems to be physiological explanations.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...o-sexual-orientation

I have a member of my family, who Ive watched grow up, and since a very young age she has not been interested in behaving or dressing like her biological sex. She's always gravitated towards male pastimes and behaviours. It hasn't been anything initiated, or her environment etc. It's just who she is.

But she has ben brought up knowing that she's in a certain body, To accept that, but that she can do whatever she wants too. And be supported in that.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
No I don't think so. I think it is way more complex than that.

There seems to be physiological explanations.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...o-sexual-orientation

I have a member of my family, who Ive watched grow up, and since a very young age she has not been interested in behaving or dressing like her biological sex. She's always gravitated towards male pastimes and behaviours. It hasn't been anything initiated, or her environment etc. It's just who she is.

But she has ben brought up knowing that she's in a certain body, To accept that, but that she can do whatever she wants too. And be supported in that.

And in Dillingham and anywhere else in Normal America your relative and any other like them are allowed to live as they want to live. The conflict arises when they insist they have the guts to force their feelings, beliefs, thoughts and dreams on others.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
No I don't think so. I think it is way more complex than that.

There seems to be physiological explanations.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...o-sexual-orientation

I have a member of my family, who Ive watched grow up, and since a very young age she has not been interested in behaving or dressing like her biological sex. She's always gravitated towards male pastimes and behaviours. It hasn't been anything initiated, or her environment etc. It's just who she is.

But she has ben brought up knowing that she's in a certain body, To accept that, but that she can do whatever she wants too. And be supported in that.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Shankspony, in America conservatives like to dumb things down so they all can understand the nonsense they tell each other.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
No I don't think so. I think it is way more complex than that.

There seems to be physiological explanations.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...o-sexual-orientation

I have a member of my family, who Ive watched grow up, and since a very young age she has not been interested in behaving or dressing like her biological sex. She's always gravitated towards male pastimes and behaviours. It hasn't been anything initiated, or her environment etc. It's just who she is.

But she has ben brought up knowing that she's in a certain body, To accept that, but that she can do whatever she wants too. And be supported in that.

And in Dillingham and anywhere else in Normal America your relative and any other like them are allowed to live as they want to live. The conflict arises when they insist they have the guts to force their feelings, beliefs, thoughts and dreams on others.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
What?! Medicine hasn't advanced from the 1960s-70s where you live?

My advice: move.

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The conflict arises when they insist they have the guts to force their feelings, beliefs, thoughts and dreams on others.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
No I don't think so. I think it is way more complex than that.

There seems to be physiological explanations.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...o-sexual-orientation

I have a member of my family, who Ive watched grow up, and since a very young age she has not been interested in behaving or dressing like her biological sex. She's always gravitated towards male pastimes and behaviours. It hasn't been anything initiated, or her environment etc. It's just who she is.

But she has ben brought up knowing that she's in a certain body, To accept that, but that she can do whatever she wants too. And be supported in that.

The above would describe my wife (loves to do everything I do outdoors and several of my cousins. Did EVERYTHING the boys did and none of the girly things. They were called “tomboys” back then. They are still female. They grew up to be mothers and wives who still like to do cowboy things, hunt, fish, farm, etc etc. There is zero abnormal with that.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Yep. The article I think, said that itself. And I think I was clear in not stating it as absolute or settled.

What im suggesting is there is enough information coming through now, to put aside absolutes of psychosis or mental health and be open too the fact that this, and by this I mean a range of sexual and gender identities, might actually be hardwired, for lack of a better term. Into individuals.
But here's a more specific one if you wish.
Trans brain differences

What do you do with them? You let them live and behave as they wish too. As long as it does not impact negatively on another section of society. Biological Men in womens changing rooms for example.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And therein is the rub.

They want to be treated as whatever under the law. But to keep this free from potential abuses, you need to have a source of easy documentation that everyone can access that is accurate, such as a government ID. Your ID states your gender or sex. That is the bathroom you use and the classification of sports teams you play on.

Dress how you want, associate with who you desire, but you cannot complain when someone doesn't want to acknowledge your "reality" if it differs from your original plumbing. Elect to not associate with them if it bugs you that much, as long as it is not a governmental issue that you have to.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Yep. The article I think, said that itself. And I think I was clear in not stating it as absolute or settled.

What im suggesting is there is enough information coming through now, to put aside absolutes of psychosis or mental health and be open too the fact that this, and by this I mean a range of sexual and gender identities, might actually be hardwired, for lack of a better term. Into individuals.
But here's a more specific one if you wish.
Trans brain differences

What do you do with them? You let them live and behave as they wish too. As long as it does not impact negatively on another section of society. Biological Men in womens changing rooms for example.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
This discussion is not a scientific one but a purely cultural and political one.

If you take a literal view of Biblical statements, then "God made man, male & female", just like he made animals and birds etc, male and female.

But genetic mutations are not explained by scripture.

Scientific understanding of natural phenomenon / genetics is not straightforward.

Some studies have established that Chromosomes define all Men as around 98% male & 2% female. The converse is true for females. All foetuses have both genders in them, to start with. Some people are born with both genitals.

I have a good friend (a very intelligent professor) who found out in his 60s that he had an endocrine problem. Detailed investigation & back tracking medical records to childhood in the US revealed that he was born with both genitals and the female part was surgically removed (his parents' decision). This information was hidden from him for over 60 years!

This phenomenon was associated with a fertility drug used by a parent! Now that drug is banned.

It is easy to pass judgement on people and condemn them and all others who do not agree with a very narrow paradigm.

Human empathy is so important in understanding people's complex personal situations.

I once read an article about a scientific study of sheep. They found that 10% of the rams were gay & only tried to mate with other males. There was even a clear difference in the brain structure of the two groups.

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They found that 10% of the rams were gay & only tried to mate with other males.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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They found that 10% of the rams were gay & only tried to mate with other males.

I don’t believe that to be exactly as that study went. When those males were isolated with estrus ewes…100% of them mated with the ewes.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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They found that 10% of the rams were gay & only tried to mate with other males.

I don’t believe that to be exactly as that study went. When those males were isolated with estrus ewes…100% of them mated with the ewes.

My interpretation of that evidence is that females are the gay rams second choice.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
God made male and female. Psychosis made anything else.