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Originally posted by TomP:
Never mind exemptions for Trump-related hospitality businesses, or Republican farmers.

Do what you said you'd do, show us who you are, and in another 480 days voters take it from there.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
LOL, so Tom, are the pot farms in your state with illegal child laborers republican owned?

After all, that weed won't pick itself so someone has to harvest it for you. Are those children even being paid? How about some more details?

That begs the question as the were those other 300,000 missing illegal minors went that 0biden shuttled in? Do you think they were sent to 'republican' owned farms and businesses? Really?

Not sure it is fair to blame any 'political' leanings. People will take advantage of other 'weaker' people when ever they can, it seems. Human history is full of this. Yes, employers of illegals should go to prison and be heavily fined, their businesses shut down IMO.

I am not sure why Mitchell is so nasty. He's repeatedly mentioned throughout the years that he employs lots of illegals to do his labors. Funny how he wants to act like such a stand up citizen.

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Originally posted by TomP:
Never mind exemptions for Trump-related hospitality businesses, or Republican farmers.

Do what you said you'd do, show us who you are, and in another 480 days voters take it from there.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
All you fucking turds that post about getting rid of the illegals. Nothing else matters but the fact that they are breaking the law, right? Never mind that they come here to support their families. They come here looking for work so their families can eat. Willing to risk arrest and work for slave wages to do shit labor that no American will do. Your whole thing is "Fuck them, they are breaking the law."

Well, what I always miss in these reports about the nazi gestapo arrest squads is....

How come they're not arresting the people that hire these folks?

Is that not against the law?

But, nobody ever talks about that until I point it out and then everybody says "Yeah, they should be arrested too" but then that never happens and nobody ever says shit about it again.

How come these employers aren't arrested or fined?

I'll help you out. Because they're white and they run big businesses and because they vote republican like all big business folks. They get a pass. And, them getting a pass ensures that folks from south of the border will continue to come here to work because those folks want to provide for their families.

One of you dumb motherfuckers needs to explain it to me. If you are so shit hot excited to enforce immigration law, how about enforcing immigration law in relation to folks that employ illegal workers? No jobs for illegals? You get arrested for hiring illegals? Guess what dumbasses. No illegal immigration. How come none of you bitch or complain about that?

Explain, you hypocritical turds. I'll wait.

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Explain, you hypocritical turds. I'll wait.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
LOL, so Tom, are the pot farms in your state with illegal child laborers republican owned?

After all, that weed won't pick itself so someone has to harvest it for you. Are those children even being paid? How about some more details?

That begs the question as the were those other 300,000 missing illegal minors went that 0biden shuttled in? Do you think they were sent to 'republican' owned farms and businesses? Really?

Not sure it is fair to blame any 'political' leanings. People will take advantage of other 'weaker' people when ever they can, it seems. Human history is full of this. Yes, employers of illegals should go to prison and be heavily fined, their businesses shut down IMO.

I am not sure why Mitchell is so nasty. He's repeatedly mentioned throughout the years that he employs lots of illegals to do his labors. Funny how he wants to act like such a stand up citizen.

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Originally posted by TomP:
Never mind exemptions for Trump-related hospitality businesses, or Republican farmers.

Do what you said you'd do, show us who you are, and in another 480 days voters take it from there.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
LOL, so Tom, are the pot farms in your state with illegal child laborers republican owned?

After all, that weed won't pick itself so someone has to harvest it for you. Are those children even being paid? How about some more details?

That begs the question as the were those other 300,000 missing illegal minors went that 0biden shuttled in? Do you think they were sent to 'republican' owned farms and businesses? Really?

Not sure it is fair to blame any 'political' leanings. People will take advantage of other 'weaker' people when ever they can, it seems. Human history is full of this. Yes, employers of illegals should go to prison and be heavily fined, their businesses shut down IMO.

I am not sure why Mitchell is so nasty. He's repeatedly mentioned throughout the years that he employs lots of illegals to do his labors. Funny how he wants to act like such a stand up citizen.

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Originally posted by TomP:
Never mind exemptions for Trump-related hospitality businesses, or Republican farmers.

Do what you said you'd do, show us who you are, and in another 480 days voters take it from there.

I don't remember reading about children working those fields, although it would not surprise me. My wife grew up in northern Maine, they started in the potato fields around 13, to pay for winter clothes. I have mixed feelings about this, but not for pot farms. I did small farm work in my teens, not much and was not good at it. I was never strong enough to throw 90-pound hay bales to the top of a truck, but could manage moving three inch sprinkler lines across an alfalfa field. I did not like moving the four inch ones, especially when they were in a dip and full of water. I'll guess that the children who were there, were with parents, but I do not have a way to know.

I doubt that the pot farms are actually owned by American citizens. Maybe in Humboldt County, but they are now having difficulty with finances. Things are different in the Central Valley and Salinas, where food is grown.

~Ann

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
So now it’s incumbent I verify citizenship to hire day labor? How long till they cry racism and profiling when an employer does that? Do we only check on those applicants who speak Spanish? Have a great suntan?

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Originally posted by JTEX:
All your juvenile foul language and self righteous indignation aside.......

I have stated many times that I am for throwing those that knowingly employ illegals under the jail!!

You do realize that there are about THREE MILLION people trying to immigrate legally? That are being shat upon by these lawbreakers....

You don't care about fair, you dont care about the law....like all democrats you just want slave labor.....pathetic....


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Originally posted by tomahawker:
So now it’s incumbent I verify citizenship to hire day labor? How long till they cry racism and profiling when an employer does that? Do we only check on those applicants who speak Spanish? Have a great suntan?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
So now it’s incumbent I verify citizenship to hire day labor? How long till they cry racism and profiling when an employer does that? Do we only check on those applicants who speak Spanish? Have a great suntan?

Great news. Even though the TSA avoided it, there is a government system literally built to do that very task
https://www.e-verify.gov/

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
So now it’s incumbent I verify citizenship to hire day labor? How long till they cry racism and profiling when an employer does that? Do we only check on those applicants who speak Spanish? Have a great suntan?

You make my point.

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"independent contractor " scam

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
So now it’s incumbent I verify citizenship to hire day labor? How long till they cry racism and profiling when an employer does that? Do we only check on those applicants who speak Spanish? Have a great suntan?

You make my point.

As far as I know, anyone being registered as an employee has to produce an ID and illegals obviously don't have a US one but the employer turns a blind eye because his primary concern is his need for a workforce at the lowest rate.

If you don't have that system in place you people must be cave dwellers like the Flintstones.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
All your juvenile foul language and self righteous indignation aside.......

I have stated many times that I am for throwing those that knowingly employ illegals under the jail!!

You do realize that there are about THREE MILLION people trying to immigrate legally? That are being shat upon by these lawbreakers....

You don't care about fair, you dont care about the law....like all democrats you just want slave labor.....pathetic....


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You're not for it at all. As we have discussed many times, you made your living in the construction industry in Texas. Every single job site you and your workers were ever on was filled with undocumented workers. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. You turned a blind eye to it just like every other contractor and subcontractor on every construction site in the State of Texas.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
All your juvenile foul language and self righteous indignation aside.......

I have stated many times that I am for throwing those that knowingly employ illegals under the jail!!

You do realize that there are about THREE MILLION people trying to immigrate legally? That are being shat upon by these lawbreakers....

You don't care about fair, you dont care about the law....like all democrats you just want slave labor.....pathetic....


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You're not for it at all. As we have discussed many times, you made your living in the construction industry in Texas. Every single job site you and your workers were ever on was filled with undocumented workers. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. You turned a blind eye to it just like every other contractor and subcontractor on every construction site in the State of Texas.

Still an idiot.....Still deflecting....

Anyone that knowingly employs illegals should be in deep shit!

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

get off your high horse, it is illegal to hire illegals. I had a case a while back where the company buying a company was rather upset after an ICE raid that resulted in serious fines and property forfeitures. I was dealing with the coverage issues under a D&O policy (it wasn't covered). But lots of bad consequences if you hire illegals.

That said, I grew up on the border and everyone hired what we called "wetbacks" then, although that is not politically correct now. I've got nothing against the vast majority of Mexicans who cross the border to work. But what happened in the last Administration was not that.

And, comment on Fulvio's posts. I'm trying to get my Tanzanian visa now and it's very, very difficult as I can't get the outfitter to send me a simple letter of invitation. Can you invite me to Tanzania?

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Originally posted by theback40:
8 million in fines to 3 businesses is not penalized Mike? this from Trump, not Biden.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Mike, you tell me they dont go after employers, I said they just did three, last month to the tune of 8 million.
I said in an above post, fines like that will have an impact on illegal hirings.
You go right back to, they dont do anything to employers.
you get so emotional over this, you are all over the map.
I fully support nailing all employers who knowingly hire illegals.
You still wont address the fact many have fake papers.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Regarding fake papers. Cite me to something about how many undocumented workers provide fake papers at the construction sites, car washes, etc that I refer to. Very few of them have fake papers dude. They show up, they're willing to work for $10 or $15 bucks an hour. The employers don't concern themselves with papers. They want cheap labor and these folks get hired. Hard to believe that you think otherwise but.... Believe what you like, those are the facts.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Regarding fake papers. Cite me to something about how many undocumented workers provide fake papers at the construction sites, car washes, etc that I refer to. Very few of them have fake papers dude. They show up, they're willing to work for $10 or $15 bucks an hour. The employers don't concern themselves with papers. They want cheap labor and these folks get hired. Hard to believe that you think otherwise but.... Believe what you like, those are the facts.

asked and answered -- you are pretty resistant to any data that says these aren't all peaceful farmers, just trying to feed their families ... oh, look AOC has entered the chat
"they are just breaking into apple stores to get apples to feed their families"

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Regarding fake papers. Cite me to something about how many undocumented workers provide fake papers at the construction sites, car washes, etc that I refer to. Very few of them have fake papers dude. They show up, they're willing to work for $10 or $15 bucks an hour. The employers don't concern themselves with papers. They want cheap labor and these folks get hired. Hard to believe that you think otherwise but.... Believe what you like, those are the facts.

asked and answered -- you are pretty resistant to any data that says these aren't all peaceful farmers, just trying to feed their families ... oh, look AOC has entered the chat
"they are just breaking into apple stores to get apples to feed their families"

Jeff. Stay on the sidelines. You don't know what you are talking about here buddy. If you want to compare crime rates of US citizens versus undocumented workers, let me know. You lose that argument. It's just more racism. They're brown so they must commit more crime, right?

If they're not just peaceful farmers, what are they? They're crossing the border to deal drugs and commit crimes? Come on man. You know that is bullshit. They're coming here to work construction, pick cabbage, apples, lettuce and other farm commodities. For $10 an hour. So, they can send that money back to their families in Mexico.

Why do you folks hate them so much?

Somebody tell me, for god's sake. Why do you hate them so much? How do they threaten you? If you run the trace back far enough, almost all of them are doing the same thing your ancestors did. Looking for a better life for their families.

I'll never understand it.

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Originally posted by wymple:
I read about a farmer who said he cannot survive without illegal immigrants. Not legal, but illegal. If they are legal, they can go get better jobs at higher wages. He needs illegal immigrants to do the work.