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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You are right Jim. The bane of our existence are those that support Trump or Biden . . . the idiots in the electorate on both the right and the left.

Versus what? Voting for somebody that has zero chance of winning? That might make you feel all warm and fuzzy but you might as well not vote at all. I don't remember Biden trampling on the Constitution, ignoring court orders, appointing fucking idiots like Pam Bondi, etc etc etc.

Anybody thinking trump was the right choice hasn't been paying attention for the last 3 months. For that matter, the last 9 years.

I will vote FOR someone or I will not vote. I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. Biden was a senile old man. Harris was an empty suit. Trump, well he is a . . . I don’t buy the whole “voting for a third party is throwing away your vote”. At a minimum it sends a signal to the two main parties, give us a meaningful choice or pound sand. Frankly, to me voting AGAINST someone is throwing away your vote. Your vote, your prerogative.

I didn’t vote for kamel toe or orange jesus. I refuse to compromise my integrity for dog shit versus cat shit. Obviously others here are very willing to make such a compromise… This whole “ I didn’t vote for him” while vociferously defending the indefensible is a measure of someone’s honesty AND integrity…. No names mentioned, of course…..

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You are right Jim. The bane of our existence are those that support Trump or Biden . . . the idiots in the electorate on both the right and the left.

Versus what? Voting for somebody that has zero chance of winning? That might make you feel all warm and fuzzy but you might as well not vote at all. I don't remember Biden trampling on the Constitution, ignoring court orders, appointing fucking idiots like Pam Bondi, etc etc etc.

Anybody thinking trump was the right choice hasn't been paying attention for the last 3 months. For that matter, the last 9 years.

I will vote FOR someone or I will not vote. I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. Biden was a senile old man. Harris was an empty suit. Trump, well he is a . . . I don’t buy the whole “voting for a third party is throwing away your vote”. At a minimum it sends a signal to the two main parties, give us a meaningful choice or pound sand. Frankly, to me voting AGAINST someone is throwing away your vote. Your vote, your prerogative.

Good for you. trump is POTUS. Bitch about the consequences, realize you contributed to it and live with it. You did nothing to prevent it.

Your position holds no more intellectual honesty than and is logically indistinguishable from that of those that said they voted for Trump even though they knew he was worthless because the alternative was worse. Pot meet kettle.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Your position holds no more intellectual honesty than and is logically indistinguishable from that of those that said they voted for Trump even though they knew he was worthless because the alternative was worse. Pot meet kettle.

My position states the absolute truth. Again. Live with it.

And your position (supporting a crappy democrat candidate) got us in a position where the majority of the voters felt Trump was the better choice.

I’ve said I didn’t vote for DJT. Given MN went for Harris, technically everyone in MN voted for Harris (as the EC is the only vote that matters)…

I am way closer to Mike Jines way of thought. Your way is also why (on the GOP side) Trump was the GOP candidate.

I cannot condemn a person for refusing to co-sign a policy path they cannot or will not reconcile.

We have to recombine, President Trump was empowered because more voters pledged delegates for Trump then for Harris.

Now, had enough people engaged as Mjines and Jeff did, President Trump would not be president.

Stopping Trump by all legal means is most important to me. I have no concerns the destruction of checks and balances we are seeing would have happened under Harris. Trump is everything he convinced me he was. I voted for Harris. I will not vote for Vance nor anyone who acts, or advances Trump policy.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And your position (supporting a crappy democrat candidate) got us in a position where the majority of the voters felt Trump was the better choice.

I’ve said I didn’t vote for DJT. Given MN went for Harris, technically everyone in MN voted for Harris (as the EC is the only vote that matters)…

I am way closer to Mike Jines way of thought. Your way is also why (on the GOP side) Trump was the GOP candidate.

I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote. No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

Our system presents two candidates. I would have voted for a monkey before voting for the current fucking idiot who is destroying our government, destroying our relationships with our trading partners, destroying the rule of law that our country is based on.

Maybe you're OK with what trump is doing. I'm not.

And, we've talked previously about your apparent position that it's the Democrat's fault trump was elected. Not. It was your fault. There was a choice and an idiot was chosen and it wasn't chosen by Dems.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And your position (supporting a crappy democrat candidate) got us in a position where the majority of the voters felt Trump was the better choice.

I’ve said I didn’t vote for DJT. Given MN went for Harris, technically everyone in MN voted for Harris (as the EC is the only vote that matters)…

I am way closer to Mike Jines way of thought. Your way is also why (on the GOP side) Trump was the GOP candidate.

I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote. No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

Our system presents two candidates. I would have voted for a monkey before voting for the current f*cking idiot who is destroying our government, destroying our relationships with our trading partners, destroying the rule of law that our country is based on.

Maybe you're OK with what trump is doing. I'm not.

And, we've talked previously about your apparent position that it's the Democrat's fault trump was elected. Not. It was your fault. There was a choice and an idiot was chosen and it wasn't chosen by Dems.

could you express yourself without vulgarity?

it's not a wasted vote in fact, chucklehead, it just takes time. There is NOTHING that could have compelled me to vote for the last 3 dem candidates -- not even threatening my dog - NOTHING -- same for GOP

i do NOT choose to vote for disaster - you should respect that, with your bias against ANY gop candidate .. there's NOTHING that could compel you to vote for a republican - not even with quemala as the choice ---

party over country is a highway to hell -

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And your position (supporting a crappy democrat candidate) got us in a position where the majority of the voters felt Trump was the better choice.

I’ve said I didn’t vote for DJT. Given MN went for Harris, technically everyone in MN voted for Harris (as the EC is the only vote that matters)…

I am way closer to Mike Jines way of thought. Your way is also why (on the GOP side) Trump was the GOP candidate.

I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote. No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

Our system presents two candidates. I would have voted for a monkey before voting for the current f*cking idiot who is destroying our government, destroying our relationships with our trading partners, destroying the rule of law that our country is based on.

Maybe you're OK with what trump is doing. I'm not.

And, we've talked previously about your apparent position that it's the Democrat's fault trump was elected. Not. It was your fault. There was a choice and an idiot was chosen and it wasn't chosen by Dems.

could you express yourself without vulgarity?

it's not a wasted vote in fact, chucklehead, it just takes time. There is NOTHING that could have compelled me to vote for the last 3 dem candidates -- not even threatening my dog - NOTHING -- same for GOP

i do NOT choose to vote for disaster - you should respect that, with your bias against ANY gop candidate .. there's NOTHING that could compel you to vote for a republican - not even with quemala as the choice ---

party over country is a highway to hell -

It was a total wasted vote you ass-clown. All of you ass-hats who think your third party vote means something live in an alternate reality.

Who in here really believes he didn't vote for trump?....3 times

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Originally posted by wymple:
Who in here really believes he didn't vote for trump?....3 times

Nobody. Avoiding responsibility

One Third Party candidate did running as a progressive, President Theadore Roosevelt.

In a two person race against either, he would have won.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote.
No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

Swing states have been won and lost by margins smaller than the third-party vote.

This did not go unnoticed by the major parties.

We have "top-two" primaries here to strangle third parties in their cribs.

Personally, my vote would be wasted on anything but my preferred candidate.
I do not care whether my vote went to an election winner.
That and $5 might get me a Starbucks coffee...

In theory, the choice in an election may come between two candidates that when I set dorm and examine them I cannot vote for either.

That day has never came to me.

President Trump is tyrannical. He must be contained, stopped, and opposed by all legal means. I am proud to have voted for Harris.

I'll only post this once today, but may repeat myself later

I am FINE with a line item showing the tariff costs... as long as the November 4th, 2020 price is also displayed. Let's be certain we under just how much products whe up on inflation as well as tariffs.

Clear, transparent pricing

If Trump's election is my fault, its every bit as much yours as well. Actually more yours.

I voted in the GOP primary against the man (for Haley), and then did not vote for him in the general.

My state went against Trump. Yours?

Your electoral vote went for the guy. Mine didn't. I didn't support Trump, either with my personal vote or with my electoral vote.

You need to stop projecting.

I do think last year was emmenently winnable for the Democrats. They pulled off a absolutely surprising defeat. Yes, Trump did some very good campaigning (Harris was not Biden, the absent strategy sure didn't work for her, did it...). Governor Walz and the dems may have thought putting him on the ticket was "permission" for white men to vote for them... if it was, it sure seemed to be missed by most of the folks who voted.

Yes, it was a two way race and my vote was not going to win the election.

There is another thread started by a person who prefers the democrats who seems to recognize that this was a self inflicted wound by the democrats. This sure as hell isn't the party of FDR or JFK anymore. That the GOP isn't the party of Regan or Lincoln anymore goes without saying.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And your position (supporting a crappy democrat candidate) got us in a position where the majority of the voters felt Trump was the better choice.

I’ve said I didn’t vote for DJT. Given MN went for Harris, technically everyone in MN voted for Harris (as the EC is the only vote that matters)…

I am way closer to Mike Jines way of thought. Your way is also why (on the GOP side) Trump was the GOP candidate.

I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote. No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

Our system presents two candidates. I would have voted for a monkey before voting for the current fucking idiot who is destroying our government, destroying our relationships with our trading partners, destroying the rule of law that our country is based on.

Maybe you're OK with what trump is doing. I'm not.

And, we've talked previously about your apparent position that it's the Democrat's fault trump was elected. Not. It was your fault. There was a choice and an idiot was chosen and it wasn't chosen by Dems.

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i am of that very slim part of the population that ALWAYS votes principal over party

That’s the problem with democracy, those that vote party over principal. Votes who don’t scrutinise the guy they are about to vote for, just put a cross in the same box they always have done instead of holding politicians to account.

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I have zero problems with somebody voting third party. But, it is a wasted vote. No third party candidate has ever even come close to winning an election.

How can it be a wasted vote? If you have two crappy candidates because of the crappy system, voting for one or the other just perpetuates the status quo. A third party coming to the fore may never have happened, yet, but that’s not to say it won’t.

For decades the choice in the UK has been cons or lab, the greens and others never went anywhere. At the local elections last week Reform won convincingly. I dislike them and what they stand for but I’m very glad to see the status quo upset.