Idiot is going to die in prison because he bought into trump's bullshit.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25...lly-meggs/index.html

YEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

18 years?

Who knows if he will survive it or not. He doesn’t look that healthy.

Do stupid things, pay the stupid price.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...531ab90041e055f&ei=6

Oath Keepers Boss Goes on Unhinged Rant as He Awaits His Fate

Trump will pardon him when he gets reelected.

Grizz

I believe in leniency and understanding when appropriate.

An accident a misunderstanding or even a rash decision can happen to any of us. I've embarrassed and humiliated myself more times than I care to remember with my big mouth.

This doesn't seem like the time or circumstances for leniency. I'm glad these traitors are getting hit hard.

This guy really believes his shit, along with many, many others. Their vision of patriotism is very skewed. They appropriate the flag, etc.

Remember the pictures of Trump hugging the flag and toting a Bible?

There is no doubt that Trump will pardon him and all the others if he can. And it will be celebrated by his base.

The significance of that needs to sink in, but I think it hasn't sufficiently.

Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

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Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Fuck that traitorous piece of shit. I hope he has a debilitating stroke behind bars.

real question .. did any actual confederate officers get a sentence this long?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
real question .. did any actual confederate officers get a sentence this long?

Who gives a shit? It’s not something that’s taken into consideration for sentencing. Also not considered; “Will this make crybabies cry some more?” Or “Will this put sand in crybaby vaginas?”

One was sentenced to death.

President Grant had to personally intervene to save Lee from prosecution.

I know Lee’s property was seized.

President Lincoln pardoned a handful of Confederates.

President Johnson issued an amnesty to a bunch of high ranking Confederates. However, this amnesty provided dozens of exclusions for certain Confederates. Lee was one of them.

The majority of them should have gotten this or even death.

The Amnesty got President Johnson impeached and nearly removed.

President Lincoln had a lot of good will, but Congress was not going to let him read it the former Confederacy as he wished. He would have respectfully pushed aside by the fire breathers. His time as President was ending.

I wonder if President Lincoln had lived, if he would have honored the two term tradition.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The Amnesty got President Johnson impeached and nearly removed.

President Lincoln had a lot of good will, but Congress was not going to let him read it the former Confederacy as he wished. He would have respectfully pushed aside by the fire breathers. His time as President was ending.

I wonder if President Lincoln had lived, if he would have honored the two term tradition.

thanks - reading up on this

I meant to type readmit.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

And the instigator of it, is standing for election!

Punish the monkey, and let the organ grinder go.

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

Mikes right, but you're wrong. Your point is wrong.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:
Trump will pardon him when he gets reelected.

Grizz

I was just thinking the same thing. That will get the anti-Trump crowd to blow a gasket if it happens.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
real question .. did any actual confederate officers get a sentence this long?

I don't know about that but the US killed an awful lot of them.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

Mikes right, but you're wrong. Your point is wrong.

Right or wrong, all I’m trying to say is why such a long sentence?
What would be the reason for such a long sentence?
So in my opinion, it is political

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

Mikes right, but you're wrong. Your point is wrong.

Right or wrong, all I’m trying to say is why such a long sentence?
What would be the reason for such a long sentence?
So in my opinion, it is political

Treason is political. I guess you think they should be executed.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

Mikes right, but you're wrong. Your point is wrong.

Right or wrong, all I’m trying to say is why such a long sentence?
What would be the reason for such a long sentence?
So in my opinion, it is political

Treason is political. I guess you think they should be executed.

Well, I see treason as something totally different

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Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Amazing as rapists, child molesters, murderers get often less
One has to wonder about politics of these sentences

English is a second language for you I guess.

You missed the part where the sentencing judge told the convict he "poses an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,"
and, "it is an offense against the people of this country,".

Slipped by you I suppose.

The judge ruled that the convicts actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

Missed that one?

Missed my point scott
These people were protesters, I get it but didn’t hurt a soul , so why such a long prison time?
People in your big cities who burned and looted and hurt people got away scott fee

Mikes right, but you're wrong. Your point is wrong.

Right or wrong, all I’m trying to say is why such a long sentence?
What would be the reason for such a long sentence?
So in my opinion, it is political

Treason is political. I guess you think they should be executed.

Well, I see treason as something totally different

Easy example of why you're not American.

American or not, treasure your freedom as it can be gone in generation if you are not careful as this case shows
Before you know it, words can be treason and no matter what you say
I experienced it and it’s crazy when you watch what you say in front of even your friends

When you use violence in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate election. That is not freedom. That is tyranny. It is also a criminal.

He deserves to be legally after due process m, which he received, so stripped of his civil liberties.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
When you use violence in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate election. That is not freedom. That is tyranny. It is also a criminal.

He deserves to be legally after due process m, which he received, so stripped of his civil liberties.

Careful...

The unpleasantness of the 1860's overthrew a "legitimate election" in the southern states.

Reconstruction was about that as well.

While I agree that these folks are not using force legitimately, there is a place for force.

We used force to overthrow a legitimately elected government in Germany, Italy, and Japan not that long ago.

There is no careful to it. Those state rebelled against the legitimacy of the Constitution.

They were soundly defeated on the battle field.

The States no right, but the perceived right of might, to rebel.

Germany and Italy were not legitimate. Only a member of the Faction here would say that.

The Trials at Nuremberg make it clear the Nazis were not legitimate.

Mass violence, attacks by the Nazis of the Government blamed on minorities, war of aggression, violation of international law, the sterilization of political opponents, and

When a person whose sentence as prescribed by law to be too light such as a Jew found guilty of Stealing. The Minister of Justice as the direction of Hitler (in violation of law) would order the person not to the 2.5 year sentence the law required. The person was sent to the secret police and executed.

The Confederacy was not legitimate.

Really?

So Hitler and the Nazis did not win legitimate elections in the 30's and Hitler becoming Chancellor was not within the bounds of law?

German law, not US law.

Nuremburg had more than a few high level members who had some question of its legal framework, but fundamentally it became, as you said, decided on the battlefield. Therefor, contrary to your initial statement, violence is not necessarily criminal, tyranny, or not freedom.

Did the Nazis commit crimes and act against what is now well established law? Certainly.

Mussolini was legitimately elected at first as well.

Both Hitler and Mussolini's continuation in power were violent, but from all accounts it was not until very late in the process that they did not have a plurality of support of the citizens of their countries.

ETA- don't forget Japan, either.

As to the confederacy, are you stating that all of the state and county officials (many of whom predated the succession) were not legitimately elected? Yet the Union removed all of them after we won.

I'm making a specific point that legitimate elections can have bad results, and when your beloved process fails, like with the south, or the Axis nations, violence is legitimate.

Do I consider 1/6 or the proud boys/oathkeepers a legitimate use of force? F no.

You are being rather ridiculous. If a fair election that is accurately tabulated had a bad result it is no longer legitimate? Listen to yourself... you are making the argument that you know better than everyone else.

Was the suspension of habeas corpus legitimate?

Was the internment of the nisei legitimate?

Was Jim Crow legitimate? The process said so for quite a while.

The careful is that you are making absolute claims where there isn't an absolute.

FDR violated US and international law all over the place in the runup to WWII on our part. By your statements he was a tyrant and treasonous. But, fortunately, he was right with regards to the evils of the Axis powers.


Similarly, Lincoln violated all kinds of laws and precedents, but again, he was right to do so.

The 1/6 crowd violated all kinds of laws. They were NOT right to do so.

The issue is who decides who is right? Generally, its history.

No they did not. They destroyed the legitimate state as I demonstrate above to gain unilateral power.


Nazis were never a majority until all other parties were banned.

They burned the legislature down and blamed it on a Disabled person to pass unlimited pier to Hitler.

No professional historian, political scientist, theologian, philosopher, lawyer would consider Nazis and Fascist Italy legitimate. You must look at how they obtained power and what they did with power; not that they did obtain power.

I am not arguing with a fool anymore.


I do not believe your classification of FDR.

Jim Crowe was not legitimate except to the extent it was upheld by the S. Ct., in its time. All the more reason we had to develop the Incorporation Doctrine to fulfill the promise of the 14th Amendment and restrain the States with the Bill of Rights.

I sent your statement to Vanderbilt PHD in Political Science who specializes in legitimacy of political power, a PHD Auburn who taught military history at West Published and majorly published, a PHD from Emory in Political Science, a Harvard J.D. and a PHD at Auburn.

All these men are real conservatives. Some more than I.

Your statement is foolish about Nazis and Italy being legitimate.

It would take a 16 hour credit clsss to explain all the ways Nazis gained power that not legitimate.

I suspect he and I would agree more than disagree.

Simple question for your friend.

Did the Nazis win elections or not?

Was it legitimate in the eyes of the law, and of other powers At the time.

There is no arguing the point Nazis Germany and Fascist Italy were illegitimate.

It is not debatable. In addition, you would not.

Then I guess it depends on your definition of legitimate.

I’m using it in the legal sense.

Did Mussolini win election?

Did the Nazis?

You seem to be defining it as inappropriate acts in power and they certainly did various acts to maintain power once they gained it.

As to majority, if a coalition government is not legitimate, then pretty much no parliamentary government can be legitimate.


Hitler was made chancellor as per German law at the time. He was the legal head of state. Did he abuse power and foster a corrupt system to stay there? Certainly.

But you have to be careful there or all of the sudden bedrock governments can be declared illegitimate by your methods.

Does just the simple act of governing by fiat make a government illegitimate?

No, in the legal sense it was not legitimate.

Both used illegal force upon the state to obtain power.

There is no debate. The situation is not equivalent.

Jan 6 is an example of the same illegal force Hitler and Mussolini used to gain control of the state.

When you use illegal means under German and Italian law to gain political power. The regimes are illegitimate.

There is nothing here to argue.

Hence, you continue to. That makes you a fool.

When you disband civil law by force to rule by fiat; yes.

When you purposely burn down the legislature and blame it on a scapegoat to gain power; yes.

When you have the Minister of Justice set aside Court rulings to kill political opponents; yes.

Please stop. You are too intelligent to act this stupid.

Nazis never won a majority of elections until political parties were banned.

Nazis were a minority party and loosing elections.

I know Dr. Easter would like to ban opposition parties.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No, in the legal sense it was not legitimate.

Both used illegal force upon the state to obtain power.

There is no debate. The situation is not equivalent.

Jan 6 is an example of the same illegal force Hitler and Mussolini used to gain control of the state.

When you use illegal means under German and Italian law to gain political power. The regimes are illegitimate.

There is nothing here to argue.

Hence, you continue to. That makes you a fool.

When you disband civil law by force to rule by fiat; yes.

When you purposely burn down the legislature and blame it on a scapegoat to gain power; yes.

When you have the Minister of Justice set aside Court rulings to kill political opponents; yes.

Please stop. You are too intelligent to act this stupid.

Nazis never won a majority of elections until political parties were banned.

Nazis were a minority party and loosing elections.

I know Dr. Easter would like to ban opposition parties.

The above is just the latest example of why I consider you no more or less than a spoiled, petulant Immature child. Grow up kid, you present yourself as a snot nosed punk.