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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I went s paint the White House Gold.

Why?

1) That is what Trump has done with all brands that he has licensed his image or name to. To that affect I expect him to charge the Federal Government for the privilege of having a gold painted Trump Castle.

And

2) A gold painted White House is the perfect t symbol for the 2nd Gilded Age of American politics such a result of Dictator Trump would be.

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What will Trump do if he becomes dictator?

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Militias continue to organize in Virginia

https://youtu.be/npuTzAJXCFM?si=alSCKbPWVJKACims

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Originally posted by 788:
He'll kill all the puppies and award bonuses to militia members that document taking out a child holding a puppy with the same bullet.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
If drill baby drill includes environmentally sensitive areas is he going to order his militia/shock troops to escort the drilling crew to the drilling site? During his first term he didn't get even one section of the Keystone X pipeline done.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Militias continue to organize in Virginia

https://youtu.be/npuTzAJXCFM?si=alSCKbPWVJKACims

The above quoted video linked is the one I would like to see some comments on, first.

Especially the part about the vigilante militia cooperation with law enforcement.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by 788:
He'll kill all the puppies and award bonuses to militia members that document taking out a child holding a puppy with the same bullet.

Obviously, you are being absurd, but the point is he won't pull the trigger. Others will do it for him. Perhaps worse yet, they will think it's their own free will.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
If drill baby drill includes environmentally sensitive areas is he going to order his militia/shock troops to escort the drilling crew to the drilling site? During his first term he didn't get even one section of the Keystone X pipeline done.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
BLM/ANTIFA/MAGA

So many lost causes to choose from

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
BLM/ANTIFA/MAGA

So many lost causes to choose from

I do r seem to recall any Maga types creating Autonomous Zones, burning, looting, or attacki v. Police with fire bombs and rocks.


But what do facts matter?

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Autonomous Zones

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Autonomous Zones

What's the sovereign person thing all about?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm giving examples within my broad context of Autonomous Zone.

Sorry you don't understand.

My mistake about the Palin thing has nothing to do with it, except your baiting, which itself means nothing in the context of the thread premise.

But that's what you do when you have nothing to contribute.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm giving examples within my broad context of Autonomous Zone.

Sorry you don't understand.

My mistake about the Palin thing has nothing to do with it, except your baiting, which itself means nothing in the context of the thread premise.

But that's what you do when you have nothing to contribute.

Are you not trying to control and alter the conversation with BS, making it personal?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm giving examples within my broad context of Autonomous Zone.

Sorry you don't understand.

My mistake about the Palin thing has nothing to do with it, except your baiting, which itself means nothing in the context of the thread premise.

But that's what you do when you have nothing to contribute.

Are you not trying to control and alter the conversation with BS, making it personal?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
BLM/ANTIFA/MAGA

So many lost causes to choose from

I do r seem to recall any Maga types creating Autonomous Zones, burning, looting, or attacki v. Police with fire bombs and rocks.


But what do facts matter?

Or burning federal courts and police stations

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:
SAD... but if you read between the lines you can see it in these posts... I'll repost my comment from another thread to illustrate..

Gentlemen,

Herein lies the problem..

The democrats will support whatever stooge the DNC put up without question.. They are not voting for and individual, they are voting for an IDEOLOGY.

The Republicans, and most Independents vote for the individual, and will not support someone they don't like for whatever reason. Ego driven voters.

It is this attitude that will cause the next election to roll to the democrats.... again..

Until conservatives learn to set their ego aside and vote for the IDEOLOGY AND NOT THE MAN , [i]like the Democrats learned years ago , then we will get 4 more years of babbling Joe or his surrogate.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.

1. Republicans have one major ideology - "Win at all costs, principles be damned." Major ideologies such as conservatism, evangelicals, White nationalists, Rural culturalists (like our Lane who is also an evangelical conservative and a white nationalist), anti abortion (evangelicals) are the core.
2. The Republicans also have a cultural identity that unites them. They hate liberals, LGBT, blacks and minorities, Idolising history of the Southern confederacy, Rural culturalists as mentioned above
3. The Republicans also have a blind belief without any rational foundation on "individual freedom" that has no reference to personal responsibility to the country and every single citizen. Tribalism is the heart and soul of the Republicans
4. The Republicans have been pushing hard to the right for a very long time. KKK members were prominent (under the Democratic label - before the parties swapped ideologies). In more recent times, since Carl Rove, they have really been pushing to the far Right and normalising the views and behaviour of people such as Bannon, Proud Boys and similar groups, MGT, Bobert, Matt Getz, Jordan, ted Cruz and many more.

If loyalty to the constitution was the criterion, 100% of American adults should be voting against Trump for Jan 6 insurrection crimes.

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:
SAD... but if you read between the lines you can see it in these posts... I'll repost my comment from another thread to illustrate..

Gentlemen,

Herein lies the problem..

The democrats will support whatever stooge the DNC put up without question.. They are not voting for and individual, they are voting for an IDEOLOGY.

The Republicans, and most Independents vote for the individual, and will not support someone they don't like for whatever reason. Ego driven voters.

It is this attitude that will cause the next election to roll to the democrats.... again..

Until conservatives learn to set their ego aside and vote for the IDEOLOGY AND NOT THE MAN , [i]like the Democrats learned years ago , then we will get 4 more years of babbling Joe or his surrogate.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The only reason there is nothing called Bidenism is because the leftists folks in the media refuse to call it that.

You say that Biden isn't changing the Democrat party positions, and my response is someone ought to.

Open borders has been a colossal failure.

A blatant falsehood. Trump had open borders and his record was worse than Obama who deported far mor illegals.

The bipartisan border deal that was set up by the Democrats was scuttled by Trump. Trump did not want the talking point to be negated and the Democrats to take credit.

We are seeing more and more that his covid response that was supposed to be science based was not.

They have been spending money at an ever increasing rate, and despite saying tax increases must happen are not going to do anything even per them that will happen before they leave office.

Pushing DEI and items like reparations. You don't get rid of racism by pushing racism and sexism of the downtrodden side.

How do you get rid of racism among the rich and powerful who want to hold on to power and their racist agenda? So you want to perpetuate racism and deny the facts of history or the illegality and inhumane current GOP right wing position?

Your business about Trump and "shock troops" is identical to the left and their use of various social orgs and community organizers. The left's predilection to expand government results in a large number of people who's rice bowl is keeping government large.

Turmoil and resistance? Which side regularly riots, loots, and burns down cities? Yet the democrat's answer is to reduce law and order, and then be surprised when the expected outcome occurs and quietly try and ramp up law enforcement in a half-assed fashion.

It was the far right that is responsible for the worst riots on Jan 6th. You personally tried to justify it and deny that it was am insurrection. The Far right GOP elements are the perpetrators of public lynching of blacks in the south until even the 70s. It is the GOP supporters who play vigilante and kill black citizens in churches, schools and public places.

Now, I agree that the only way that the GOP will change is by how folks vote, and the GOP is starting to morph into the democrats who always in the past were the party of the ends justify the means. I am seeing more and more of the GOP starting to toe this line as well. The problem as I see it is that the democrats, while maybe less personally morally objectionable are still morally objectionable.

You are making an excuse for Trumpism and MAGA bigotry. You have no moral conscience to condemn this evil.

It takes two to fight, and we are really walling ourselves into two camps.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Doc

I am questioning your moral compass and your personal ethics here. Blunt but true.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The only reason there is nothing called Bidenism is because the leftists folks in the media refuse to call it that.

You say that Biden isn't changing the Democrat party positions, and my response is someone ought to.

Open borders has been a colossal failure.

A blatant falsehood. Trump had open borders and his record was worse than Obama who deported far mor illegals.

The bipartisan border deal that was set up by the Democrats was scuttled by Trump. Trump did not want the talking point to be negated and the Democrats to take credit.

We are seeing more and more that his covid response that was supposed to be science based was not.

They have been spending money at an ever increasing rate, and despite saying tax increases must happen are not going to do anything even per them that will happen before they leave office.

Pushing DEI and items like reparations. You don't get rid of racism by pushing racism and sexism of the downtrodden side.

How do you get rid of racism among the rich and powerful who want to hold on to power and their racist agenda? So you want to perpetuate racism and deny the facts of history or the illegality and inhumane current GOP right wing position?

Your business about Trump and "shock troops" is identical to the left and their use of various social orgs and community organizers. The left's predilection to expand government results in a large number of people who's rice bowl is keeping government large.

Turmoil and resistance? Which side regularly riots, loots, and burns down cities? Yet the democrat's answer is to reduce law and order, and then be surprised when the expected outcome occurs and quietly try and ramp up law enforcement in a half-assed fashion.

It was the far right that is responsible for the worst riots on Jan 6th. You personally tried to justify it and deny that it was am insurrection. The Far right GOP elements are the perpetrators of public lynching of blacks in the south until even the 70s. It is the GOP supporters who play vigilante and kill black citizens in churches, schools and public places.

Now, I agree that the only way that the GOP will change is by how folks vote, and the GOP is starting to morph into the democrats who always in the past were the party of the ends justify the means. I am seeing more and more of the GOP starting to toe this line as well. The problem as I see it is that the democrats, while maybe less personally morally objectionable are still morally objectionable.

You are making an excuse for Trumpism and MAGA bigotry. You have no moral conscience to condemn this evil.

It takes two to fight, and we are really walling ourselves into two camps.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.

1. Republicans have one major ideology - "Win at all costs, principles be damned." Major ideologies such as conservatism, evangelicals, White nationalists, Rural culturalists (like our Lane who is also an evangelical conservative and a white nationalist), anti abortion (evangelicals) are the core.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

2. The Republicans also have a cultural identity that unites them.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

They hate liberals, LGBT, blacks and minorities,

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

Idolising history of the Southern confederacy,

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

Rural culturalists as mentioned above

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

3. The Republicans also have a blind belief without any rational foundation on "individual freedom"

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
that has no reference to personal responsibility

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
to the country and every single citizen

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
. Tribalism is the heart and soul of the Republicans

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

4. The Republicans have been pushing hard to the right for a very long time.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
KKK members were prominent

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Originally posted by Nakihunter: (under the Democratic label - before the parties swapped ideologies)

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
. In more recent times, since Carl Rove,

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
they have really been pushing to the far Right

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
and normalising the views and behaviour of people such as Bannon, Proud Boys and similar groups,

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
MGT, Bobert, Matt Getz, Jordan, ted Cruz and many more.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
5. The biggest and new ideology is TRUMPISM and the MAGA cult

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:


If loyalty to the constitution was the criterion,

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
100% of American adults should be voting against Trump for Jan 6 insurrection crimes.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Doc

I am questioning your moral compass and your personal ethics here. Blunt but true.

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oh, you mean like the republican concept of if you do the crime you do the crime?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm giving examples within my broad context of Autonomous Zone.

Sorry you don't understand.

My mistake about the Palin thing has nothing to do with it, except your baiting, which itself means nothing in the context of the thread premise.

But that's what you do when you have nothing to contribute.

Are you not trying to control and alter the conversation with BS, making it personal?

Telling you are wrong is actually impersonal, sir. Do grow up (that was personal)

No one BUT YOU brought up sovereign citizens, when the subject is the chaz/chop ... Chaz is an acronym for capital hill Autonomous zone...

Sigh, I know I don't suffer fools lightly, which is why you are usually on my ignore list (yeah that was personal too)

Your "mistake" should have offered you an learning moment... it didnt...

Oh well, back to ignore

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Naki,
What is it about Americans that you HATE, and I mean irrationally hate, roughly 1/2 of the population? I mean, i might could see it if you spent years here, researching and verifying your facts, and either published for peer review* or turned over to a prosecutor - *you are about to be peered reviewed below - I mean, you straight out HATE ~1/2 of americans, so is that an emotive response? who hurt you?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.

1. Republicans have one major ideology - "Win at all costs, principles be damned." Major ideologies such as conservatism, evangelicals, White nationalists, Rural culturalists (like our Lane who is also an evangelical conservative and a white nationalist), anti abortion (evangelicals) are the core.

well, buckle up - 1 your said ONE major ideology and then said "major ideologies" and the irony of you mixing ONE and SEVERAL in the first part of your sentence is, well, pretty darn funny - THEN you list stuff, without sources, and I know you aren't living in the states, talking to people, so YOUR made-up facts are just that.. yours, and, you are combining several different ideologies (YOUR WORDS) in a single front. THEN you use the word "evangelicals" as if they are the majority here - they aren't - the majority is protestant, but evangelical has a specific meaning, and you have ZERO way of knowing who's what religion and then what sect of that religion - you are right, a majority of republicans are prolife, but you'd likely lump me into one of these groups, and I am most certainly not "evangelical" and I am FIRMLY pro-choice. Lane isn't, which is cool, and as neither of us i like to become pregnant, no matter what progressives say, it's not really relevant. that later phrase could be repeated several to many times in this post. Lastly, you seem to think that only and all evangelicals are GOP - nothing could be further from the truth -

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

2. The Republicans also have a cultural identity that unites them.

ah, nope, in fact, you, yourself, listed several items. Elon Musk, for a far example, has, other than basic biology, nothing in common with a working stiff catholic in the deep NE. When I id'd as a republican, we didn't have little get togethers, spreading the words of Lincoln

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

They hate liberals, LGBT, blacks and minorities,

Odd you say that -- Who voted OVERWHELMINGLY for the civil rights act of 1964? Who had to be dragging, kicking and screaming, for it? Who pushed through the women's suffrage act, who DIED to protect unknown-to-them minorities in the the 60s? Who voted FOR the equal rights amendment, at the time? the answer is firmly republicans

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

Idolising history of the Southern confederacy,

nah, bruh, that's a rural south thing, regardless of party

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

Rural culturalists as mentioned above

hmm, weird, it's almost like you made this up - 83% of americans like in urban areas .. the "fly over" states aren't all rural and rural counties are sparsely populated - and those do vote mixed bag - you might actually try this word of for size "RESEARCH"

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

3. The Republicans also have a blind belief without any rational foundation on "individual freedom"

literally in the constitution - like literally -- you know, talking about a 3rd party country from your own experience might not be your game.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
that has no reference to personal responsibility

oh, you mean like the republican concept of if you do the crime you do the crime?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
to the country and every single citizen

in america, the average citizen has ZERO duty to "every single citizen", again, see my comment about 3rd county - i certainly have ZERO duty to a county jail prisoner in another state, and i have ERO duty to support anyone outside of whom i decide to support -- perhaps you have us confused with.. well, i don't know where every citizen has a duty to every citizen.. I guess in naki-landia

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
. Tribalism is the heart and soul of the Republicans

WEIRD< dude, it's like you keep making stuff up, and then self contradict in the next breath - Is it late there? do you need some tea to clear your head? republicans don't brag about appointing a person based on physical or family conditions, they brag about hiring the best.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

4. The Republicans have been pushing hard to the right for a very long time.

hmm, not so much - the left has moved so far left that it APPEARS that respecting the life of an unborn or being proud to be an american looks "far right" .. but you aren't an american, in any way, now, are you?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
KKK members were prominent

founded by dems, ran by dems, and had millions of members when dems --

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Originally posted by Nakihunter: (under the Democratic label - before the parties swapped ideologies)

the parties NEVER swapped ideologies - and if you affirm that to be truth, give me a DATE when it happened.. heck, even a year when it was done-- even the professor that came up with this concept REFUSED to give me a date that it was done, or largely done, and blocked me when i asked "what date was that largely done within" - and, since we are on the KKK, it went from MILLIONS of members under dem control, to a few pathetic remnants when it allegedly (i use David Duke as the line) became "republican" and even FURTHER, when you come up with your "date" of the great party switch, then your are then asserting that every president prior to that date was actually the other party -- was it grant? one of the Roosevelts, kennedy? reagan? Obama? pick a date and own the consequences

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
. In more recent times, since Carl Rove,

oh, how cute, carl rove is your boogeyman --

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
they have really been pushing to the far Right

but you just said they have been pushing right for a very long time, in line item 4 above.. please stick with a single narrative, sir, it will make you seem like you know what you are talking about

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
and normalising the views and behaviour of people such as Bannon, Proud Boys and similar groups,

uhm, old son, you understand these people aren't NORMALIZED, but the left sure seems to be having a field day, with riots, Antifa, and BLM .. but, sure, do continue, let's not let logic and facts get in the way of your story

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
MGT, Bobert, Matt Getz, Jordan, ted Cruz and many more.

oh, you are confusing tea party response with the majority of republicans.. i guess it's easy to get lost in the blur for 7,000 miles away

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
5. The biggest and new ideology is TRUMPISM and the MAGA cult

i know a few people, left and right, and only a very few "embrace" trump, and fewer still will hold that thought when pressed on details. The are called reluctant republicans, who can't, by their morals, vote for the current dems. My mother in law, for example, has ALWAYS voted dem, until it became progressive, then she refused to vote until she died. I am concerned that she's now voting straight dem ticket from the graveyard district

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:


If loyalty to the constitution was the criterion,

most americans are only passingly aware of the details of the constitution, and fewer are voting based on those lofty concepts, they are voting for what they see as their future-- oh, i am certain that there are some zealots that wind up making a forced choice as to which candidate violates the voters concept of the constitution, but those are pretty vanishingly small .. see 2 party system. VERY few 3rd party candidates, since 1960, have earned enough votes, even in the polls, to participate in presidential debates, and only one even had a material impact on the outcome - h ross perot.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
100% of American adults should be voting against Trump for Jan 6 insurrection crimes.

I don't really have nothing on that - if a court finds him guilty on 6th crimes, he deserves to be punished

whew, that took longer than i really wanted to invest in that -- i think i'll go make dinner for my family

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm giving examples within my broad context of Autonomous Zone.

Sorry you don't understand.

My mistake about the Palin thing has nothing to do with it, except your baiting, which itself means nothing in the context of the thread premise.

But that's what you do when you have nothing to contribute.

Are you not trying to control and alter the conversation with BS, making it personal?

Telling you are wrong is actually impersonal, sir. Do grow up (that was personal)

No one BUT YOU brought up sovereign citizens, when the subject is the chaz/chop ... Chaz is an acronym for capital hill Autonomous zone...

Sigh, I know I don't suffer fools lightly, which is why you are usually on my ignore list (yeah that was personal too)

Your "mistake" should have offered you an learning moment... it didnt...

Oh well, back to ignore

Well, I know how to push buttons, especially yours. I also know how to not let you push my buttons, only so far.

Get you wound up like the pink Energizer Bunny, especially late in the day - no telling what you'll say.

What makes you think I didn't learn something - either from my mistake, which you so gleefully remind me, or from you in other respects?

One thing I learned from my mistake re Palin and from you is that you love digging, and once you have something you think is worth the dig, just repeat it often.

BTW, in my absence I'm glad to see a lively exchange of views happened in the meantime.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Jeffe,
Would care to comment on your "facts" being more like "Alternative Facts" rather than actual facts? Maybe you could acknowledge that the right took part in political violence during the Floyd riots as well as the left? I posted several links documenting right wing violence, yet you seem unwilling or unable to respond.