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Zelenskyy admits US diverted crucial military delivery
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has revealed that 20,000 air defense missiles originally promised to Ukraine to counter Shahed drones were instead redirected to the Middle East.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Ukraine President Zelenskyy calling Donald Trump out during the weekend and exposing what Trump just did with 20,000 anti-drone missiles that were promises to Ukraine.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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I’m sure the ME countries paid cash up front, as opposed to Ukraine which simply doesn’t have the money. With Trump, all that matters is money, freedom fighters be damned…. Mad


Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend…
To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP
 
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And he got a fat, golden jet out of the deal.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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20,000 SAM’s?

Do we even have that many?
 
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Presumably, not anymore.

Trump gave them away, redirected per a quid pro quo deal, nixing for spite a prior commitment Biden made legitimately as commander chief, representing the basic honor of the USA.

Trump has no problem violating that.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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For now, we are ahead of the game, and we paid for it. One of the side effects of our ITAR policy was limiting contact with other weapons makers, and denying our suppliers access to advances made elsewhere. Things could get interesting if Europe got ahead of us in that sphere.


TomP

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I think the whole thing is Mexican standoff now and good possibility is if Germany sends long range missiles in Ukraine and they use it deep on big cities, we got ourselves Russia versus NATO conflict
It just simply doesn’t look good for near future and solution is nowhere in sight


Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
 
Posts: 1078 | Location: Idaho, Montana, Washington and Europe at times | Registered: 24 February 2024Reply With Quote
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Backing off and letting Vlad do what he wants with hesitant or limited western support for Ukraine will just encourage him. What has he got to loose?

Russia has no problem bombing and hitting random Ukraine cities, yet when Ukraine hits a Russian oil facility or bridge Vlad cries about terrorism.

Id give Ukraine everything they ask for.
 
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I think it’s complicated more than we think
Thing is, if we give Ukraine everything they want, will it end the war or will it prolong it
or will it widen?
Always good to ask these questions


Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
 
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Thing is, Trump was and is played by Putin.

Thing is, Trump said several times he would end the war in a day.

Thing is, the terms appeared to be he and Putin would share the spoils, Putin turf and Trump minerals and other resources, and Trump could invest in Russia, hotels and such.

Thing is, Putin is the aggressor, and wants all of Ukraine and a lot more.

Thing is, Trump has prolonged the war, taken the wrong side and got people killed.

Thing is, Trump is not the right guy to resolve it.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I think it’s complicated more than we think
Thing is, if we give Ukraine everything they want, will it end the war or will it prolong it
or will it widen?
Always good to ask these questions


You are going to end up with a wider war anyway. Poland can tolerate a divided Ukraine. But not a border with Russia.

Putin is expanding his Military industrial complex and now getting North Korea to make drones for him. The eastern block nations are all at risk As well as Moldova if Ukraine doesn't hold.

Just like Saeed, I hate war and needless death. But that said the only way to end this is a whole heap of Russian fighting age males dying. It's clear that's the resource that is finite and least valued for Putin. The sooner the better or it will mean many many more times dead people.
 
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Thing is, Trump was and is played by Putin.

Thing is, Trump said several times he would end the war in a day.

Thing is, the terms appeared to be he and Putin would share the spoils, Putin turf and Trump minerals and other resources, and Trump could invest in Russia, hotels and such.

Thing is, Putin is the aggressor, and wants all of Ukraine and a lot more.

Thing is, Trump has prolonged the war, taken the wrong side and got people killed.

Thing is, Trump is not the right guy to resolve it.


Does trump have ANYONE who can end it?


Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
 
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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I think it’s complicated more than we think
Thing is, if we give Ukraine everything they want, will it end the war or will it prolong it
or will it widen?
Always good to ask these questions


You are going to end up with a wider war anyway. Poland can tolerate a divided Ukraine. But not a border with Russia.

Putin is expanding his Military industrial complex and now getting North Korea to make drones for him. The eastern block nations are all at risk As well as Moldova if Ukraine doesn't hold.

Just like Saeed, I hate war and needless death. But that said the only way to end this is a whole heap of Russian fighting age males dying. It's clear that's the resource that is finite and least valued for Putin. The sooner the better or it will mean many many more times dead people.


if you think usa will move from poland you will have a bad wake up surprises ... it is time for the rest of nato countries to get together.
 
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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I think it’s complicated more than we think
Thing is, if we give Ukraine everything they want, will it end the war or will it prolong it
or will it widen?
Always good to ask these questions


The west stood by and did nothing when Putin trained and armed separatists in the east of Ukraine. We stood by and did nothing when he invaded Crimea. Then he came back for the whole of Ukraine.

If he gets that the next one will be Moldova. Then the Baltic republics.

Letting him take what he wants just enables the next conflict.
 
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Originally posted by TomP:
For now, we are ahead of the game, and we paid for it. One of the side effects of our ITAR policy was limiting contact with other weapons makers, and denying our suppliers access to advances made elsewhere. Things could get interesting if Europe got ahead of us in that sphere.


For cars, but also for many weapons (aircrafts, tanks, missiles for example) the US depends on rare earth materials (dysprosium - for heat shields 99% comes from China, neoydymium - for magnets, 85% comes from China, terbium - for special lighting, 97% comes from China, and many others). For many of those the only factories where these get extracted from ore are in....China. There are no rare earth materials processing facilities in the US. And China has tightened the rules of the export of these, and made export of them effectively impossible.
China also has a near monopoly on many other chemicals, important for for example chemo treatment for cancer.
 
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Originally posted by nute:
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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I think it’s complicated more than we think
Thing is, if we give Ukraine everything they want, will it end the war or will it prolong it
or will it widen?
Always good to ask these questions


The west stood by and did nothing when Putin trained and armed separatists in the east of Ukraine. We stood by and did nothing when he invaded Crimea. Then he came back for the whole of Ukraine.

If he gets that the next one will be Moldova. Then the Baltic republics.

Letting him take what he wants just enables the next conflict.


You were too busy invading and destroying other countries!

Exporting DEMOCRACY! rotflmo


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Well, if I got the facts straight, the democracy in Ukraine was home grown. It wasn't imported.

Yet, we have done a pitiful job of supporting it, primarily due to Rightist's ideology in combination with Trump's affinity with dictators.

Meanwhile it should be excruciatingly obvious of the probable consequences of screwing with our democracy allies.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, if I got the facts straight, the democracy in Ukraine was home grown. It wasn't imported.

Yet, we have done a pitiful job of supporting it, primarily due to Rightist's ideology in combination with Trump's affinity with dictators.

Meanwhile it should be excruciatingly obvious of the probable consequences of screwing with our democracy allies.


You have o clue what democracy is!

You are setting a perfect example at home right now of this! jumping


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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, if I got the facts straight, the democracy in Ukraine was home grown. It wasn't imported.

Yet, we have done a pitiful job of supporting it, primarily due to Rightist's ideology in combination with Trump's affinity with dictators.

Meanwhile it should be excruciatingly obvious of the probable consequences of screwing with our democracy allies.


You have o clue what democracy is!


We know what an absolute monarchy is..... Big Grin



 
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Originally posted by Saeed:
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, if I got the facts straight, the democracy in Ukraine was home grown. It wasn't imported.

Yet, we have done a pitiful job of supporting it, primarily due to Rightist's ideology in combination with Trump's affinity with dictators.

Meanwhile it should be excruciatingly obvious of the probable consequences of screwing with our democracy allies.


You have o clue what democracy is!

You are setting a perfect example at home right now of this! jumping


Well, I figure Trump(ism) knows exactly what democracy is, and that's why they are trying to use it to destroy itself from the inside.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by TomP:
For now, we are ahead of the game, and we paid for it. One of the side effects of our ITAR policy was limiting contact with other weapons makers, and denying our suppliers access to advances made elsewhere. Things could get interesting if Europe got ahead of us in that sphere.


For cars, but also for many weapons (aircrafts, tanks, missiles for example) the US depends on rare earth materials (dysprosium - for heat shields 99% comes from China, neoydymium - for magnets, 85% comes from China, terbium - for special lighting, 97% comes from China, and many others). For many of those the only factories where these get extracted from ore are in....China. There are no rare earth materials processing facilities in the US. And China has tightened the rules of the export of these, and made export of them effectively impossible.
China also has a near monopoly on many other chemicals, important for for example chemo treatment for cancer.


do not go that far remember masks lol
 
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Zelenskyy says 'Russia will occupy Europe' if the US leaves NATO
SBS is an Australian public broadcast service.


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Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots.

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Hes 100% correct on Russias goals. But I think looking at what Ukraine has managed, that NATO without the US is achievable. Germany is to start conscription shortly. I dont think its far fetched to believe they could also become nuclear capable in a very short length of time.
 
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