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I too wish they would just release what they can. But, you can bet your bottom dollar that if there was dirt on Trump in there…Merrick Garland would have got it out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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But, you can bet your bottom dollar that if there was no dirt on Trump in there…Trump would have let the files out. Mike | |||
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yeah yeah ... why didn't biden release it? you are a fine piece of work .. of the best horse apple forks ever created opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You think there's dirt on our guys, We think there's dirt on your guys. When in reality, Occam's Razor suggest that once EVERY player, on both sides, is told the truth, they understand that for whatever the connection to national security exists, they best just sit on it. Tucker (yea, I know) had a guest on speaking about Epstein's history with Mossad. Ehud Barak and Epstein were very close. Epstein bought a multi million dollar residence in NYC and Barak lived with him for years. This was all before Epstein was wealthy. Ghislsaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, was far too connected into MI6, Mossad and the KGB for any of this to be simply a coincidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzFsHWlfsj0 https://www.ndtv.com/world-new...k-and-russia-8938577 Mike - when both political parties are hiding the same information, it goes beyond speculation that there are secrets, probably national security secrets. Assets, names, projects that are likely far beyond our need to know. I'm satisfied, simply because every administration , both parties have kept it quiet. If either party could use it for political gain, they would have. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Exactly right Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Seems pretty fundamental right? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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My guys? I could care less who is implicated in the files, Clinton, Trump, Netanyahu or anyone else, the information needs to be released. I posted ages ago about Epstein’s possible ties to Mossad and Israel. About Israel’s efforts to blackmail Clinton over Lewinsky tapes. If the files implicate high profile pedophiles, so be it. If the files disclose Israeli espionage in the US, so be it. The ties of Trump to Epstein and Epstein to Israel don’t make you scratch your head over the US’ slavish fawning over Israel? The best disinfectant for a cover up is sunshine. Too many unanswered questions. Too many dots that do not connect. Then you send Trump’s personal lawyer down to “interview” Ghislaine in an “interview” that sounded more like a Hannity “interview” of Trump and everyone is supposed to believe there is no there there. Gimme a break. Whether this has to do with dirt on Trump, embarrassing espionage by Israel, or something else, afraid I am not prepared to just trust that The Swamp is going to do what’s best. Time to put the cards on the table. Mike | |||
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I believe it's not that Clinton or Biden or Trump or anyone else will be implicated, I believe it's all about discovery and national security assets, of some kind. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Perhaps. And if it does have to do with Israeli espionage and blackmail, while we almost blindlessly support anything and everything Israel does in the Middle East, we are just supposed to accept that because Oz says not to mind what is behind the curtain that’s good enough? Not hardly. Mike | |||
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No Mike, Not blind support for "OZ". But I've come to realize that there are things that go on behind the curtain of USA security, that we don't necessarily need to know. The subjects get cloudy and players even more so. Example; The Hunter Biden Burisma saga;. I always felt he was dirty. But again, listening to a long podcast on a long bike ride, There was a tangled web of backroom deals that involved Hunter as a useful idiot in an effort to get Europe off Russian petroleum. It wasn't as cut and dried as it appeared on the surface. And I am in no way a supporter of Hunter Biden, or any Biden. But it put enough doubt in my mind to begin to understand the CIA has tentacles that are complex and far reaching. I don't trust them, but do understand the need for some international subterfuge. We will never know everything, nor should we. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Well you are far more trusting of the swamp things than me. I find a lot of credibility to the connections between Epstein and Mossad/Israel. Then we have the long-standing relationship between Epstein and Trump. Layer over that, the efforts of Israel and Netanyahu to blackmail Clinton. Then add to the mix how the US seems to be prepared to turn a blind eye to everything Israel is doing. Finally, you have Trump’s lawyer interview Ghislaine, she says there is nothing to see and oh by the way pardon me, and then the interview is pitched as “well that wraps things up”. Not to mention, all of Trump’s efforts to deflect attention off the Epstein matter, e.g., it’s a hoax, my boys and girls need to leave this alone, Obama committed treason, let me go enjoy a nothing burger in Alaska with my bud Vlad. No, there is way too much unanswered to just accept that the people in power know what is best for us and they are looking out for us and the more they try to deflect and move on, the smellier the whole thing gets. Mike | |||
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Bullshit! The whole reason it has not been released BECAUSE they have dirt of the Orange Mata TURD! | |||
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I think there are likely names in the file, of both parties. If there are names, but no indication of criminal conduct, what do we make of that? I think this is a probable circumstance. Steve A's top secret information theory strikes me as unlikely. What evidence is there for it? Why would anyone give Epstein secret info? Occam's razor doesn't give an answer when there is no evidence; the simplest explanation is we don't know. But it's all speculation. The file needs to be released. | |||
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To be honest Mike, I agree with much of what you say. I am not trusting of anything in government. But I do trust President Trump far more than any Democrat and for sure more than the Deep State/Swamp (whatever you want to call it). After watching the Democratic Party throwing everything at Trump but the kitchen sink…I feel certain there is no dirt on Trump in the file. We all know they knew each other. I too would like to see the file released. I am just highly doubtful the non-release has anything to do with Trump. I highly suspect it has to do international relations. As far as turning a blind eye to Israel…haven’t seen them do anything wrong. They have been far more restrained and lenient than I would have been after 10/7. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Sure Saeed, sure, the biden administration had it for FOUR years and they didn't want to release dirt on Trump  No wonder the middle east needed the west to lead them out of the stone age..... | |||
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Yep! . | |||
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Exactly! They would have, and tried to, damage trump anyway possible. | |||
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Israel, Royal Family, Clinton’s, … the Biden administration could choose not to reveal that dirt and (as was their s.o.p.) and leak just the Trump info (if it existed). It’s now been clearly documented that the Democrats used selective leaks as public opinion tools. I.e., they leaked info re: Trump and Russia, Russia, Russia but hid the Laptop from Hell (and convinced 51 intelligence sycophants that the ends justified the means) and Hillary’s funding of the Steele Dossier. Heck, they used the Impeachment process as a means to overthrow an election promising revelations daily that never came.. The Democrats are presently aware that they are in the swirl of the toilet. Someone would have saved a life line and used it by now. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the whole Epstein thing was a honey trap organized by the Mossad. They have a long history of considering anything fair game if it is done for the purpose of protecting Israel and I can certainly see finding a way to keep the notoriously fickle American political system on their side being in Israel’s national security interest. Getting copious amounts of dirt on both parties would do that… sex with underage is both a common failing and an unpardonable crime in this country. Makes sense. | |||
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You would think that folks would want to know if Israel was blackmailing US officials given that we turn a blind eye to everything that Israel does, but apparently if it involves Israel, even if it is espionage, Team MAGA is fine with it. Ignorance is bliss. Mike | |||
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and biden had control of the files for 4 years -- i bet if you ever made sense, you'd die of shock opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Biden didn't have control of the files. The US Department of Justice prosecutors had control of the files. Shit, they used the files to prosecute Ghislaine Maxwell. Believe it or not, before trump, the DOJ didn't just release information about politicians just because the president wanted that to happen. The either used the info to prosecute or they dropped the investigation. | |||
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That isn’t going to happen… The politicians were involved in things that look bad. They want it under the rug. Given civil control, the government doesn’t want the loss of confidence by finding out how badly behaved all these powerful types are. I certainly agree that we “should” know, but face it, we won’t.
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J Edgar Hoover has entered the chat Oh, and the ghost of russian collusion .. so, MAYBE a brief period in the FBI's history, before obama, you are correct opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Wow! Up until you typed that I still gave you some credit for having some intelligence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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