Don't take my word for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...er-registration.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...stration-crisis.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/art...trump-183626502.html

https://www.newsweek.com/democ...lvania-trump-2109365

https://time.com/7071878/harri...ocrats-swing-states/

They deserve it.

Who, with an iota of common sense, would ever pick a stupid, utterly brainless,BIMBO like Commie Kamala to lead them!

And THE ORANGE MAGA TURD is winning is just the icing on the cake!

Those polls have ZERO to do with me, or how I feel, or you or how you feel.

The national temperature has had it with the insanity of the left and are moving back to an imperfect man, who cares about America. With common sense positions.

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Can just anyone and or everyone walk across the borders of the UAE and demand benefits?

I'm certain the answer is no. And anyone with a pulse understands that supporting these 70/30 issues (if you're on the 30 side) will lose support.

Here's another. Regardless of Trumps warts, the Democrat decline will cost them another Presidential cycle. Ignore it at your own peril.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHK_Re-6dQo&t=1s

I predict this thread to get VERY few replies. You can't stand to look at the truth of your own positions. Move back to a common sense Democrat party. Campaign on what you're for, not what you hate. These polls are not Republican spin and you know it.

Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

The Democrat party left the voters a long time ago.

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
The Democrat party left the voters a long time ago.

Both parties have.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Those polls have ZERO to do with me, or how I feel, or you or how you feel.

The national temperature has had it with the insanity of the left and are moving back to an imperfect man, who cares about America. With common sense positions.

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Can just anyone and or everyone walk across the borders of the UAE and demand benefits?

I'm certain the answer is no. And anyone with a pulse understands that supporting these 70/30 issues (if you're on the 30 side) will lose support.

I think we have one of the better immigration rules.

Everyone is welcome.

For a visit as a tourist.

Many nationals do not require a visa.

Once your visa is 9ver, you can renew it, for a certain time.

If you wish to find a job, you are very welcome.

You need to get yourself legalized.

We have National ID cards.

All of us.

Without it, you are unable to get practically anything.

With a passport you can rent a hotel or B&B.

For a short time.

You can get a prepaid phone line, with your passport as one as you have a valid visa.

But, you can’t rent a home.

You can’t buy a home.

You cannot buy a car

And so on.

If you get employment, there is Wage Guarantee.

Your employer cannot get away not paying you.

No one will employ you if you have no ID.

Companies get hefty fines, or even their licenses cancelled.

I honestly cannot understand what Americans and Europeans do not understand about the term

ILLEGAL!

It means A CRIMINAL.

A THIEF!

Nothing else!

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

And speaking of tariffs,

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/statu...ffs.304773%2Fpage-54

I suspect that over the years, Russia has also seen a decline in voters favoring democracy.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

The Democrats don't have a leader to rally around.

I find your comments amusing. You support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a man who literally cannot open his mouth without uttering a lie, a man who is using the powers of his office to harass and prosecute his political enemies....but, your feelings got hurt here and you don't want to play anymore because somebody personally insulted you. It's laughable.

And, by the way, the reason the trumptards left here is because they find it impossible to defend trump. Period.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

The Democrats don't have a leader to rally around.

I find your comments amusing. You support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a man who literally cannot open his mouth without uttering a lie, a man who is using the powers of his office to harass and prosecute his political enemies....but, your feelings got hurt here and you don't want to play anymore because somebody personally insulted you. It's laughable.

And, by the way, the reason the trumptards left here is because they find it impossible to defend trump. Period.

Look at the polls.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

The Democrats don't have a leader to rally around.

I find your comments amusing. You support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a man who literally cannot open his mouth without uttering a lie, a man who is using the powers of his office to harass and prosecute his political enemies....but, your feelings got hurt here and you don't want to play anymore because somebody personally insulted you. It's laughable.

And, by the way, the reason the trumptards left here is because they find it impossible to defend trump. Period.

Look at the polls.

Well aware. Democrat unpopularity is not a new thing. The polls have been down for a while.

Doesn't change the fact that you support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a serial liar and on and on and on. If vilifying the Democrats makes you feel better about that, knock yourself out. These are truths you can't deny. And, you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you support a man with those attributes to lead our nation.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

The Democrats don't have a leader to rally around.

I find your comments amusing. You support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a man who literally cannot open his mouth without uttering a lie, a man who is using the powers of his office to harass and prosecute his political enemies....but, your feelings got hurt here and you don't want to play anymore because somebody personally insulted you. It's laughable.

And, by the way, the reason the trumptards left here is because they find it impossible to defend trump. Period.

Look at the polls.

Well aware. Democrat unpopularity is not a new thing. The polls have been down for a while.

Doesn't change the fact that you support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a serial liar and on and on and on. If vilifying the Democrats makes you feel better about that, knock yourself out. These are truths you can't deny. And, you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you support a man with those attributes to lead our nation.

Funny how expecting to be treated with common courtesy and decency is defined as "feelings hurt".

This is precisely why your party is failing. Trump is bad, but your side is worse, the polls tell us the truth.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Those polls have ZERO to do with me, or how I feel, or you or how you feel.

The national temperature has had it with the insanity of the left and are moving back to an imperfect man, who cares about America. With common sense positions.

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Can just anyone and or everyone walk across the borders of the UAE and demand benefits?

I'm certain the answer is no. And anyone with a pulse understands that supporting these 70/30 issues (if you're on the 30 side) will lose support.

I think we have one of the better immigration rules.

Everyone is welcome.

For a visit as a tourist.

Many nationals do not require a visa.

Once your visa is 9ver, you can renew it, for a certain time.

If you wish to find a job, you are very welcome.

You need to get yourself legalized.

We have National ID cards.

All of us.

Without it, you are unable to get practically anything.

With a passport you can rent a hotel or B&B.

For a short time.

You can get a prepaid phone line, with your passport as one as you have a valid visa.

But, you can’t rent a home.

You can’t buy a home.

You cannot buy a car

And so on.

If you get employment, there is Wage Guarantee.

Your employer cannot get away not paying you.

No one will employ you if you have no ID.

Companies get hefty fines, or even their licenses cancelled.

I honestly cannot understand what Americans and Europeans do not understand about the term

ILLEGAL!

It means A CRIMINAL.

A THIEF!

Nothing else!

Point being, walking across illegally isn't tolerated. If someone does, what happens to them.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Oh I'm not so sure that the tariff warts will be overlooked, I'm on the front lines of it, but the remainder of the economy will soon be feeling the effects of Trump's piss poor economic policies. My clients sure as hell have not been happy about writing their tariff checks, pretty sure once that cost increase(tax) hits, the voters are going to be less likely to ignore the GOP warts.

Yes, the Democrats do suck and are lost in the woods, not sure that is going to be a bigger issue than 4 years of chaos and corruption though Steve.

here's my thinking. Yes, Trump is imperfect. But he is less imperfect than the alternative. And once the opposing party understands it, they will begin to climb out of the hole they themselves have created.

The Libs in here have run off most if not all opposing voices. Not because they're right, but because of their vile tactics in communication.

I've always made sure to not personally demean anyone in conversing with them. People are people and we all will never see the same picture through the prism the other party does.

I rarely post down here simply because of the lack of decorum. The libs don't debate position, they personally attack. I've met personally some and when in front of me, I'd never suspect that they hold such disdain for me.

Take medved, he personally hates me because I support Trumps position and policies for the most part. Tariffs? Heck, the jury is still out. Had I still owned my Hydraulic business, I would be seeing them through a different prism.

If you want more people to participate down here, the tone of rage needs to change. Otherwise, you have nothing but the liberal circle-jerk there is now.

Like I said, those polls I linked are polls, not my opinion of them.

The Democrats don't have a leader to rally around.

I find your comments amusing. You support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a man who literally cannot open his mouth without uttering a lie, a man who is using the powers of his office to harass and prosecute his political enemies....but, your feelings got hurt here and you don't want to play anymore because somebody personally insulted you. It's laughable.

And, by the way, the reason the trumptards left here is because they find it impossible to defend trump. Period.

Look at the polls.

Well aware. Democrat unpopularity is not a new thing. The polls have been down for a while.

Doesn't change the fact that you support a convicted felon, a rapist, a pedophile, a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars, a serial liar and on and on and on. If vilifying the Democrats makes you feel better about that, knock yourself out. These are truths you can't deny. And, you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you support a man with those attributes to lead our nation.

Funny how expecting to be treated with common courtesy and decency is defined as "feelings hurt".

This is precisely why your party is failing. Trump is bad, but your side is worse, the polls tell us the truth.

Here's some truth for you: trump's approval rating is at a record low.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/6...second-term-low.aspx

AI Overview
Yes, the number of registered independents and third-party members is growing in the United States.

Here's a breakdown of the trend:

Rising Independent Affiliation:
As of 2025, 32% of registered voters in the US chose not to affiliate with either the Democratic or Republican parties, which is an increase from 23% in 2000, according to an NBC News analysis.

In 2023, political independents tied a record high, constituting the largest political bloc in the U.S., averaging 43% of U.S. adults, according to Gallup News.
The June 2024 Gallup poll found that 51% of respondents identified as independents - the highest figure ever recorded in the survey.

Causes for the trend: Dissatisfaction with the two-party system and perceived shortcomings of the major parties are significant drivers of the increase in independent and third-party affiliations.

Impact of the trend: This shift away from traditional party allegiances is reshaping the political landscape, and the growing cohort of independent voters has become a critical segment of the electorate, says Unite America. However, it's worth noting that the two-party system still dominates in the ballot box, as most voters still consistently vote for candidates from one party.

Challenges for Political Parties: The decline in partisan registration presents a challenge for both the Republican and Democratic parties, particularly in terms of building long-term structures and engaging with younger generations who may be less inclined towards partisan affiliation.

===========================

Also:
https://www.google.com/search?...gHBA&sclient=gws-wiz

==========================================

Also, here's an article from a respected source published October 23, 2023

https://www.brookings.edu/arti...lation-of-elections/

Democratic decline in the United States: Strategic manipulation of elections

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Those polls have ZERO to do with me, or how I feel, or you or how you feel.

The national temperature has had it with the insanity of the left and are moving back to an imperfect man, who cares about America. With common sense positions.

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Can just anyone and or everyone walk across the borders of the UAE and demand benefits?

I'm certain the answer is no. And anyone with a pulse understands that supporting these 70/30 issues (if you're on the 30 side) will lose support.

I think we have one of the better immigration rules.

Everyone is welcome.

For a visit as a tourist.

Many nationals do not require a visa.

Once your visa is 9ver, you can renew it, for a certain time.

If you wish to find a job, you are very welcome.

You need to get yourself legalized.

We have National ID cards.

All of us.

Without it, you are unable to get practically anything.

With a passport you can rent a hotel or B&B.

For a short time.

You can get a prepaid phone line, with your passport as one as you have a valid visa.

But, you can’t rent a home.

You can’t buy a home.

You cannot buy a car

And so on.

If you get employment, there is Wage Guarantee.

Your employer cannot get away not paying you.

No one will employ you if you have no ID.

Companies get hefty fines, or even their licenses cancelled.

I honestly cannot understand what Americans and Europeans do not understand about the term

ILLEGAL!

It means A CRIMINAL.

A THIEF!

Nothing else!

Point being, walking across illegally isn't tolerated. If someone does, what happens to them.

Jail.

Immediately kicked out.

Blacklisted not to enter the country again!

No longer a Republican and I’ll never be a Democrat- that ship sailed decades ago. I will be independent and I thinks a lot people in both parties are jumping ship. When the fringe lunatics, both right and left, run the ship, it’s time to look for other transportation.

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
No longer a Republican and I’ll never be a Democrat- that ship sailed decades ago. I will be independent and I thinks a lot people in both parties are jumping ship. When the fringe lunatics, both right and left, run the ship, it’s time to look for other transportation.

is trump a member of the republican party or ever been? i thought he ran under their colors but was not a member as he was more clever than the politicians ...

quote:

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Steve A, you list men in women's locker rooms as one of your top two issues. Which is insane, given all the real problems our nation faces. (Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I think politics is always rough and tumble.)

It's a pretty rare instance you're talking about, transgender females using women's locker rooms. When was the last time it happened near you?

I just don't understand MAGA supporters' fixation on social issues in politics. What about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Don't you think that's a little more important?

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Steve A, you list men in women's locker rooms as one of your top two issues. Which is insane, given all the real problems our nation faces. (Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I think politics is always rough and tumble.)

It's a pretty rare instance you're talking about, transgender females using women's locker rooms. When was the last time it happened near you?

I just don't understand MAGA supporters' fixation on social issues in politics. What about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Don't you think that's a little more important?

When the law cannot accept their is only two genders.

California apparently recognizes about 80 something genders!

Unbelievable!

How does it hurt you, though?

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
How does it hurt you, though?

Personally it doesn’t affect me because I live in a country where common sense prevails!

I don’t care what anyone’s sexual leanings are, but I do find it unacceptable to see men pretending to be women getting into women sports for instance.

This defies any logic.

It defies what we are as nature made us.

There is a reason why we are MEN and WOMEN.

Anything else is just plain FREAKS of nature.

One cannot just get up in the morning and decides what GENDER one wishes to be.

It is no different to one trying to make gravity disappear!

This gender thing has gone way beyond reason!

Minor issue. Doesn't affect me.

I agree that society goes too far to indulge them, but if some guy wants to pretend he's a woman, I really don't care.

It comes in about 98 on my list of our 100 biggest issues.

It's doublespeak to call Trump "imperfect."

"Imperfect" describes us all. Even the most saintly person is imperfect.

Trump is something far worse.

quote:

It's doublespeak to call Trump "imperfect."

It's lame apologist-speak.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
(Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I think politics is always rough and tumble.)
?

HAHAHA. No... wait... you are serious? You telling someone to gird up and take the rough and tumble when YOU run away when its turned around


Then use the "rare occurrence" gambit.. oh, its because you struggle with math and statistics

If 0.1% (that's 0.001) percent of people are in a sample set, that is a tiny population, and if any occurs in that population with a count of greater than one, then the distribution in that group is going to be disproportionately high.


If there are zero males in the female only spaces it is highly unlikely a male will then attack a female in a female only space.

To make it simple, 0 x anything =0, and to keep it at 0, its really simple. Keep males out of female only spaces.

Trivial effort to prevent a "rare occurrence "


This isnt hard and shouldn't be political

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
How does it hurt you, though?

Personally it doesn’t affect me because I live in a country where common sense prevails!

I don’t care what anyone’s sexual leanings are, but I do find it unacceptable to see men pretending to be women getting into women sports for instance.

This defies any logic.

It defies what we are as nature made us.

There is a reason why we are MEN and WOMEN.

Anything else is just plain FREAKS of nature.

One cannot just get up in the morning and decides what GENDER one wishes to be.

It is no different to one trying to make gravity disappear!

This gender thing has gone way beyond reason!

Please. You live in a country where there is so little common sense, you don't even get to pick your own leaders.

It does not hurt.

Most bathroom sex crimes are by males who identify as straight and that is adjusted for population.

Notice it is only” Man in women spaces!” We hardly hear of trans men in men spaces being complained of. I guess trans women are an easy proxy attack maybe.

Yeah, separate locker rooms keeps teens from having sex.

My high school football/weight/boxing gym would be hard wo a key to have sex in because our head coach office was right in the locker room.

At the end of the day, I support letting the parents decide by allowing those objections their own “locker” and bathrooms.

A 14 year old trans girl forced to used the boys bathroom beaten to death by male peers.

That is the real damaged and harm.

I do not care what an Equine Surgeon says about the mental construct of gender.

Nor what country who does not grant full citizenship to women says about common sense.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
It does not hurt.

Most bathroom sex crimes are by males who identify as straight and that is adjusted for population.

Notice it is only” Man in women spaces!” We hardly hear of trans men in men spaces being complained of. I guess trans women are an easy proxy attack maybe.

Yeah, separate locker rooms keeps teens from having sex.

My high school football/weight/boxing gym would be hard wo a key to have sex in because our head coach office was right in the locker room.

At the end of the day, I support letting the parents decide by allowing those objections their own “locker” and bathrooms.

A 14 year old trans girl forced to used the boys bathroom beaten to death by male peers.

That is the real damaged and harm.

I do not care what an Equine Surgeon says about the mental construct of gender.

Nor what country who does not grant full citizenship to women says about common sense.

This isn't the subjet, sirrah

quote:

Most bathroom sex crimes are by males who identify as straight and that is adjusted for population.

all the rest of your post is amphigory, meant for you to express how "Smart" you are --

As the law of the land says, there are 2 genders - male, female --

I don't care what a podunk jr county attorney claims to the opposite

Its the LAW, sir, that you swore to uphold

male on male assault is a different topic

oh, before you bloviate, which happens more (let's use jimmy's "rare occurrence" idea) boys fight and someone dies, or boys fight and a (trans) boy dies? just the numbers, no emotions -- what's the occurrence rate? 300-400 times more? 500? 1000?

quote:

As the law of the land says, there are 2 genders - male, female --

I don't care what a podunk jr county attorney claims to the opposite

Its the LAW, sir, that yuo swore to uphold

I think the evidence herein shows that you do care, or why are you arguing?

And is an exec order now "law of the Land"?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...&FORM=SSQNT1&PC=DCTS


Oh, now I remember, the slippery slope to fascism.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

As the law of the land says, there are 2 genders - male, female --

I don't care what a podunk jr county attorney claims to the opposite

Its the LAW, sir, that yuo swore to uphold

I think the evidence herein shows that you do care, or why are you arguing?

And is an exec order now "law of the Land"?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...&FORM=SSQNT1&PC=DCTS


Oh, now I remember, the slippery slope to fascism.

thought i was on your ignore list, maggie

in 3,2,1

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Steve A, you list men in women's locker rooms as one of your top two issues. Which is insane, given all the real problems our nation faces. (Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I think politics is always rough and tumble.)

It's a pretty rare instance you're talking about, transgender females using women's locker rooms. When was the last time it happened near you?

I just don't understand MAGA supporters' fixation on social issues in politics. What about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Don't you think that's a little more important?

Regardless of how I feel about the trans issue, its a 75/25 issue and Americans have rejected cutting dicks off 12 year old males, period. I was listing the issues the Dems have been championing and their popularity to the American people. THATS what got Trump elected. Most notably the border.

As to politics being rough and tumble, If a man walked up to you and called you a cocksucker, what would your response be? Hmmmm? Or a liar or dumb or shit-for-brains?

There are 2 options, walk away like a gentleman or engage in a well deserved fist fight. I take the high road and walk away, it ain't that important to argue with guys I don't know and will never meet, in some obscure political sub-forum on the internet.

I'm not sure why it seems to empower the left in here to do such things. My ego left me when I started racing bicycles. Ego gets you nowhere, zilch. It's all about effort and results and ego plays no role in it.

I've learned to win with grace and lose with dignity. The ARPF means absolutely nothing. But it seems to with others.

Any time I hear or read something about only two genders, I think about my far-right cousin.

He claims he would shoot a man who entered a public restroom designated for women, if his wife or daughters or grand-daughters were in there.

In trying to understand his logic, really a logical conversation with him on this topic and many others is impossible. So, I figure it to be all emotional. He gets all bug-eyed, red faced, veins in his neck bulging, and maybe a hard-on. (that's not so obvious and I didn't check)

This only two-gender is a Rightists thing. It's like quelling the climate change debate with the comment that climate has always been changing.

So, let's turn that around. Gender Dysphoria has been known for centuries.

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

It's been diagnosed only recently.

What is Gender Dysphoria?

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcN&sclient=gws-wiz

"Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences significant distress due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their assigned sex at birth. It's characterized by a strong and persistent desire to be another gender, or to be treated as another gender. This discomfort can affect various aspects of life, including social interactions, work, and school."

Why is it such a cultural and political issue now?

Maybe the summary answer is ideological repulsion to something deemed pervert.

That's kinda ironic, don't you think, in a perverted way?

Maybe it's like a phobia,

Pedophilias vs Gender Dysphoria vs radical hate, and so forth. Forgive pedophilia, embrace hate, and call Gender Dysphoria perverted and even make it part of a political platform. Yea!

And call it enlightenment.

The Heritage Foundation and project 2025 (part of the Trump era Ministry of Enlightenment and Propaganda)

https://www.heritage.org/gende...ere-are-the-big-ones

Ryan T. Anderson, Ph.D.
@RyanTAnd
Former Visiting Fellow, DeVos Center

Ryan T. Anderson, Ph.D., researches and writes about marriage, bioethics, religious liberty, and political philosophy.

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quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Open borders and men in woman locker-rooms is insane and you know it.

Steve A, you list men in women's locker rooms as one of your top two issues. Which is insane, given all the real problems our nation faces. (Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I think politics is always rough and tumble.)

It's a pretty rare instance you're talking about, transgender females using women's locker rooms. When was the last time it happened near you?

I just don't understand MAGA supporters' fixation on social issues in politics. What about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Don't you think that's a little more important?

Regardless of how I feel about the trans issue, its a 75/25 issue and Americans have rejected cutting dicks off 12 year old males, period. I was listing the issues the Dems have been championing and their popularity to the American people. THATS what got Trump elected. Most notably the border.

As to politics being rough and tumble, If a man walked up to you and called you a cocksucker, what would your response be? Hmmmm? Or a liar or dumb or shit-for-brains?

There are 2 options, walk away like a gentleman or engage in a well deserved fist fight. I take the high road and walk away, it ain't that important to argue with guys I don't know and will never meet, in some obscure political sub-forum on the internet.

I'm not sure why it seems to empower the left in here to do such things. My ego left me when I started racing bicycles. Ego gets you nowhere, zilch. It's all about effort and results and ego plays no role in it.

I've learned to win with grace and lose with dignity. The ARPF means absolutely nothing. But it seems to with others.

And, yet here you are....posting up again and again.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

This only two-gender is a Rightists thing.

yeah, following the actual SCIENCE does seem rational ...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

This only two-gender is a Rightists thing.

yeah, following the actual SCIENCE does seem rational ...

Once in a while we agree, but accidentally on your part.

But that's not what's happening. As in the case of climate science, just nix the science, hire some contrarians, and call it what your ideology demands.

This Rightists' two-gender thing isn't science. It's ideology and you call it science. If you really appreciated the science, then the science of Gender Dysphoria would be included.