Especially, when Congress has given no such dispensation with legislation.

https://www.wlky.com/article/d...sS-uNKadsxxPb2DDqO1A

Because he has this fucked up pre-conceived idea that there is "MASSIVE FRAUD" going on with SSA. I hope SCOTUS denies access. I wonder what they submitted as evidence of this fraud.

Methinks that they have some sinister purpose in mind. Well fuck the Ketamine Kid.

1: your SSN is all over the internet - heck, just the experian breach and then the change helthcare breach
2: they didn't access "your" SSN-- they may not have accessed ANY ssn ACCOUNT info, as they were looking at payments
3: my SSN card is so old it says "not to be used for identification" -- let me look up a pic



when does the hyper-ventilation / histrionics end?

I still have my original card from about 1964. No doubt someone "may" have my SSN, but that doesn't give them access to any of my SSA account info. Why does DOGE need to delve into every nook and cranny of SSA? Again where does Musk get his info that there's massive fraud in the system?

because they didn't -

sweet jesus, the SSa says an IT system, less than 25 years old, is "current". .. in the real world, when the manf issues an end of life on an OS, it's RARE for it to go 10 years

they didn't have "unfettered access" -- this is what I do for a living, folks, this is insanity

They are simply doing audits
Everyone and every company, bank, etc does audits for sole purpose of being on top of everything and uncover any unnecessary losses and fraud
What’s wrong with government audit?

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
They are simply doing audits
Everyone and every company, bank, etc does audits for sole purpose of being on top of everything and uncover any unnecessary losses and fraud
What’s wrong with government audit?

it's literally a constitutional requirement

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
1: your SSN is all over the internet - heck, just the experian breach and then the change helthcare breach
2: they didn't access "your" SSN-- they may not have accessed ANY ssn ACCOUNT info, as they were looking at payments
3: my SSN card is so old it says "not to be used for identification" -- let me look up a pic



when does the hyper-ventilation / histrionics end?

Jeff an unelected and not permitted officer of the Executive having that information. So much for conservative a distrust of the Executive as an institution and limits on the Executive.

Post your real SS Card big man.

There is nothing DOGE is doing in the Constitution. That is why they are begging snd hoping the S. Ct., expends Executive power. That is why Kavanaugh is on the bench. He was a lawyer for the Executive that pushed the Executive power forward.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

Post your real SS Card big man.

you first - i'll post to the dark web for you

the constitution REQUIRES "from time to time"

quote:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

oh, that's assigned to the executive .. doge is executive .. QED

you could spend some time getting over yourself - being chronically wrong has to be wearing

https://youtu.be/-vtJRpu4XUw?si=WV8AjsIakDbFvtMH&t=8

Real mission of DOGE seen in new insights on federal data and privacy

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

Post your real SS Card big man.

you first - i'll post to the dark web for you

the constitution REQUIRES "from time to time"

quote:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

oh, that's assigned to the executive .. doge is executive .. QED

you could spend some time getting over yourself - being chronically wrong has to be wearing

Where in that does an administrative agency that is established without an enabling statute grant access to Social Security information of US Citizens.

Right now, the Fed courts agree with me. I doubt the S. Ct., is going to agree with you.

Post that SS Card of yours big man.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
because they didn't -

sweet jesus, the SSa says an IT system, less than 25 years old, is "current". .. in the real world, when the manf issues an end of life on an OS, it's RARE for it to go 10 years

they didn't have "unfettered access" -- this is what I do for a living, folks, this is insanity

They "WANT" unfettered access!

"T]he issue here is not the work that DOGE or the agency want to do. The issue is about how they want to do the work," U.S. District Judge Ellen Hollander wrote in her 145-page decision. "The DOGE Team seeks access to the [personally identifiable information] that millions of Americans entrusted to SSA, and the SSA defendants have agreed to provide it. For some 90 years, SSA has been guided by the foundational principle of an expectation of privacy with respect to its records. This case exposes a wide fissure in the foundation."


Again, as the Federal Judge correctly identifies the how is what matters in our system.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
1: your SSN is all over the internet - heck, just the experian breach and then the change helthcare breach
2: they didn't access "your" SSN-- they may not have accessed ANY ssn ACCOUNT info, as they were looking at payments
3: my SSN card is so old it says "not to be used for identification" -- let me look up a pic



when does the hyper-ventilation / histrionics end?

Jeff an unelected and not permitted officer of the Executive having that information. So much for conservative a distrust of the Executive as an institution and limits on the Executive.

Post your real SS Card big man.

There is nothing DOGE is doing in the Constitution. That is why they are begging snd hoping the S. Ct., expends Executive power. That is why Kavanaugh is on the bench. He was a lawyer for the Executive that pushed the Executive power forward.

Wow! How idiotic!

In unelected govt official having that information....what a dumbasss!

How many IRS employees are elected??? Just how stupid are you? Really?

Well, right now the Fed court agrees with my position.

Of course, you lack the comprehension to under stand a court opinion.

You don't think that folks who work for the various insurance companies don't already have this information?

I could see where being able to identify a particular record to a name would be a problem, but how do you think they investigate medicare fraud? And if you think that only members of federal agencies see that data, you are seriously deranged.

Insurance company employees, local law enforcement, IRS, state and local tax folks, accountants, etc. all see the information with varying levels of deidentification to it.

HIPAA doesn't protect your data from others... it regulates how it is given to insurance companies.

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you are seriously deranged

Yes! Yes, he is!


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Originally posted by crbutler:
You don't think that folks who work for the various insurance companies don't already have this information?

I could see where being able to identify a particular record to a name would be a problem, but how do you think they investigate medicare fraud? And if you think that only members of federal agencies see that data, you are seriously deranged.

Insurance company employees, local law enforcement, IRS, state and local tax folks, accountants, etc. all see the information with varying levels of deidentification to it.

HIPAA doesn't protect your data from others... it regulates how it is given to insurance companies.

Why would you think that my insurance companies would would have access to or a need to see my employment and earnings history or how much I may get from SSA? Why would anyone from my local PD have a need to see it? Or any accountant? There likely aren't very many employees at either SSA or the IRS who are actually able to see your data or make changes to your account. Anyone other than yourself who does your taxes sees your 1099s and at the IRS a computer likely "sees" them. For the most part there is little useful information in them.

Do a Google search with your SSN and see what you get. I searched 476-68-5099 and the only response was -4691

FWIW the bidens have been collecting SS for years. They've refinanced their mortgage more than 30 times and still owe somewhere around $400K. If he was on the take where is all of the money? I bet trump makes more in a week off of his POTUS status than Biden did in 4 years. Should he be able to tell musk and his goons to terminate the Bidens' benefits? How about your's or someone else's?

They should be given lists of those over 100 YO and those who maybe can't be confirmed to be alive or dead and musk could donate a fleet of Teslas and they could travel the country and knock on doors and confirm/affirm the status of all of those on the lists.

FWIW my doc said that according to HIPAA they couldn't send any personal info or a Rx request to Mark Cuban's discount drug site.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

Post your real SS Card big man.

you first - i'll post to the dark web for you

the constitution REQUIRES "from time to time"

quote:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

oh, that's assigned to the executive .. doge is executive .. QED

you could spend some time getting over yourself - being chronically wrong has to be wearing

Where in that does an administrative agency that is established without an enabling statute grant access to Social Security information of US Citizens.

Right now, the Fed courts agree with me. I doubt the S. Ct., is going to agree with you.

Post that SS Card of yours big man.

because we work on VETO not fiat power - where is a law preventing it, as that's how our system works -

Can you imagine the squawking and gnashing of teeth from the trumptards if it was a Democratic administration wanting to delve into your SS account and other private business?

There would be no end to the crying and bitching. But, when the cult leader ordains it...

BTW, I'm reading that literally none of the little south african nazi's cost cutting efforts are going to bear fruit. There is that pesky thing called congress and even the GOP types are expressing extreme doubts about any of it getting through.

no, mike, i couldn't - the dems would never tell, untill they found paydirt, then it would be sold as a success --

data and security is what I do - this is much ado about nothing

Well they is an unsupported conclusion.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well they is an unsupported conclusion.

who's "they"

If you meant "that" - fine -- you are wrong, but feel free to babble on about PCI/NPI/Access -- it's professional opinion - sort of like that "presumption" thing you were on about. You might recall that you couldn't even spell HIPAA correctly when bemoaning that topic. Your experience is grossly limited when it comes to privacy laws and regs

when dealing with large data sets, it's helpful to use a "key field", which means data that is found in every record - the SSN should be in EVERY record at the SSA, but it doesn't mean unfettered access into the account -

GLBA defines SSN as NPI, which means a breach has occurred when UNAUTHORIZED access has been granted. IDK what goes on in KY, but for the rest of the US, the president is literally the highest authority for granting any form of access --

one should be able to connect the dots -

That and you knew that.

Again, an unsupported claim that cannot be determined.

We know President Bush, R, withheld information concerning President’s Surveillance Program and White House emails.

We do not know that Harris would engage and hide in this behavior of seeking to allow a department not anchored to an enabling statute acess our Social Security information.

Your assertion is weak.


It amazes me how much pier the Texas contingent wants to give to the Executive.

If Congress wants, can pass a law that allows DOGE this access, then I’ll vote against my Rep and Senator who vote for it. However, then it would be legal.

So, big man, post your real SS Card on here if it is no big deal.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That and you knew that.

i have no means, nor intention, to put words in your mouth -- i COULD have "presumed" it, but I wouldn't KNOW - so i worked on a response, given my assumption -- but i have NO WAY of KNOW what you meant to type with the wrong words.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Again, an unsupported claim that cannot be determined.

We know President Bush, R, withheld information concerning President’s Surveillance Program and White House emails.

you may have misspelled obama and crossfire hurricane

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

We do not know that Harris would engage and hide in this behavior of seeking to allow a department not anchored to an enabling statute acess our Social Security information.

your world must be an amazing place, perfectly regulated, two shades light, entirely monochrome - most persons go through this as a phase, generally 12-16 years of age, when the realize that it's nearly NEVER black or white, and frequently it doesn't go there way, and life "ainlt fair" - but, for once, you are perfectly correct, we don't know what a possible harris admin would do, as it doesn't exist

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

Your assertion is weak.

do you care to specify for me, i stated several truths, the only inference I made was about what you may have meant vs what you said -

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
It amazes me how much pier the Texas contingent wants to give to the Executive.

I don't think we should give "pier" to the POTUS -

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

If Congress wants, can pass a law that allows DOGE this access, then I’ll vote against my Rep and Senator who vote for it. However, then it would be legal.

Oh, honey - Congress has NO ROLL in granting employee access to anything, outside of direct congressional employees - The Department of STATE offers security clearances, Congress, though passing a law, can defined what is to be PROTECTED, and leaves it up to the Executive branch to implement those laws, and the Departments to follow the laws - It's almost like CONGRESS Passes the Laws and the EXECUTIVE operates the laws -- strange --

Would it be your supposition that we strip the executive of it's constitutional duties, and have congress individually vet and vote for every person needing access, creating new roles and powers for Congress? Well, you'll be too busy for the next decade to go hunting, as you are either planning to personally carry an Amendment - oh, wait, or a ConCon --

Dude, Congress can't even change who's cleared into a SCIF - That's 100% on the Executive, via Department of State

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

So, big man, post your real SS Card on here if it is no big deal.

Sure, i'll be happy to, right after yours -- oh, wait, criminal MISUSE of an SSN is a crime-- looking at a list of them, which is an entirely different thing, isn't - And an (no cap) department being changed with a lawful order to review parameters of the account is perfectly legal - how do you think the SSA employees, without specific clearances from Congress (that's just so non-sensical, it's funny)

I'll grant you this, there's no quit in ya

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Why does Musk need access to our SS records?

Especially, when Congress has given no such dispensation with legislation.

https://www.wlky.com/article/d...sS-uNKadsxxPb2DDqO1A

Wrapping back to OP - Congress has never granted anyone access to SSA systems, it's not their job to grant credentials or clearances - tada - not a power vested in congress -

Oh yes it is. It is up to Congress to decide if this unanchored department gets this screw. So far, the courts have agreed w me on that.

Oh, you have advanced it is no big deal. That everyone done has it anyway. Still waiting for you to Post your real SS card.

Come on it is no dig deal. You can save Musk the trouble of getting yours through the courts if he can.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
... Still waiting for you to Post your real SS card.

Come on it is no dig deal. You can save Musk the trouble of getting yours through the courts if he can.

this is your unhinged challenge - post your own -- we don't have an authority relationship, so telling is going to be far less effective than asking --

but, you came up with it, you do, lead the way -

I remember my ss card, the letter with it. Dont give the number out to anyone, so on and so on.
Got to basics, until we got our ID cards, we gave our SS number for everything. The lady at the head of chow hall taking count, and everyone in between. these were all civilians, not military personal. So much for protecting our individual number.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...9cd7047d3ceabe&ei=86

DOGE aims to pool federal data, putting personal information at risk
Story by Hannah Natanson, Joseph Menn, Lisa Rein, Rachel Siegel • 3h • 7 min read

Is this the fascist/"subject" relationship, Jeffee?

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AI Overview

In George Orwell's 1984, Big Brother represents the totalitarian regime of the Party in Oceania, a fictional state characterized by constant surveillance and control. Though never physically present in the story, Big Brother's image and the slogan "Big Brother is watching you" are ubiquitous, reminding citizens of the Party's omnipresent power. He symbolizes the loss of individual freedom and the fear and paranoia instilled in the population.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Symbolism:
Big Brother is not a real person, but a symbol of the Party's absolute control and the chilling effect of their surveillance state.

Omnipresent Presence:
The image of Big Brother, along with the slogan "Big Brother is watching you," is plastered everywhere in Oceania, on posters, coins, and even telescreens.

Dehumanization:
Big Brother remains a faceless figure, never appearing in person, which adds to the sense of him as an impersonal and oppressive force.

Totalitarianism:
Big Brother's presence highlights the dangers of unchecked government power and the erosion of individual liberties in a totalitarian regime.

Real-World Parallels:
The concept of Big Brother has resonated with real-world concerns about government surveillance and the potential for technological control.
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BTW:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/pre..._social_share_button

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
... Still waiting for you to Post your real SS card.

Come on it is no dig deal. You can save Musk the trouble of getting yours through the courts if he can.

this is your unhinged challenge - post your own -- we don't have an authority relationship, so telling is going to be far less effective than asking --

but, you came up with it, you do, lead the way -

Jeff get your rifle!!!!! Little lord fontleroy wants a fight!!!

I suggest follow the Constitution.

The last time Texas got their rifles, you lost.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
I suggest follow the Constitution.

The last time Texas got their rifles, you lost.

Picking up a rifle to settle a government process is your idea. You keep calling for violence to settle a political argument

You suggest following the constitution it one sentence and then call for violence the next

Funny how you can always tell when jeffee is on his defensive heels.

He spins.

Well, this sucks
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/1...k-web-why-yours-risk