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Originally posted by LHeym500:

Government is best that Governs when it needs to.


That's Statism - the actual quote (sometimes attributed to Thoreau), is
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The best government is that which governs least




Definition of Statism: "concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

A night-watchman state, or minarchy, whose proponents are known as minarchists, is a model of a state that is limited and minimal, whose functions depend on libertarian theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Social Contract


Jefferson's social contract:
Jefferson explains the social contract theory that when you are alone, you are sovereign, and when you join with others you have to negotiate what is for the commonwealth, and negotiate what natural rights you get to keep after adjustment by the government.
https://jeffersonhour.com/blog...y%20the%20government.


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Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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oh, you forgot the compelled speech, actions, nanny state, and surrender of individual rights
"if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"
"i am from the government and I am here to help"
are other famous statist comments


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Agencies can only act within the Enabling Statute passed by Congress.

I recognize that. However, wide latitude and discretion is currently allowed to humor the current administration’s agenda (as long as it melds with their own). This is what NEEDS to be narrowed.

You, not Jefffive, are wrong.

If you look back above…I edited that post. He replied quickly and I had made a poor choice of words.

That is what Chevron is all about whether the agency is exercising discretion granted by the Enabling Statute in a reasonable manner. Not everything an agency does is entitled to Chevron Difference.

Go read Chevron and just as important Skidmore.

The Courts have already took a half step back w the Major Questions Doctrine. For that, go read FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.

Otherwise, you do not even have an opinion without reading those cases. What you have is simple ignorance.

Guess who got Chevron through? Justice Scalia would be the Justice.

The only area an agency may act wo an Enabling Statute is when an agency can be said to be acting within the authority or power vested in the Executive Branch by the Constitution as a separate and delegated power.

Another concept that has become exploited in the last 50 years.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
oh, you forgot the compelled speech, actions, nanny state, and surrender of individual rights
"if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"
"i am from the government and I am here to help"
are other famous statist comments


Here's a recent quote that is destined or distained: Smiler

"You’ll Need an F-16 to Go Against the Government." Joe Biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...b61a190d354ae&ei=162

==============================================

Again, Slo Joe ain't into what's happenin'. Smiler

F-16s, AR 15s, 44 mags, etc. - who needs such weapons when the attack on the government has such weapons as Trump, Trumpsters, the majority of SCOTUS, practically all of GOPer congress, Heritage Foundation and many other conservative orgs and think tanks, Judges like Eileen Cannon, Steve Bannon and Mike Flynn, christofacists and Christian Nationalists, far right militias, duped fascist fodder masses, capitalist oligarch mega-donors, etc.


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Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...b61a190d354ae&ei=437

Mass demonstrations send clear message to far-right 'tyranny of the minority'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...wOC?ocid=socialshare

Mass demonstrations against Germany’s major far-right party


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Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Agencies can only act within the Enabling Statute passed by Congress.

I recognize that. However, wide latitude and discretion is currently allowed to humor the current administration’s agenda (as long as it melds with their own). This is what NEEDS to be narrowed.

You, not Jefffive, are wrong.

If you look back above…I edited that post. He replied quickly and I had made a poor choice of words.

That is what Chevron is all about whether the agency is exercising discretion granted by the Enabling Statute in a reasonable manner. Not everything an agency does is entitled to Chevron Difference.

Go read Chevron and just as important Skidmore.

The Courts have already took a half step back w the Major Questions Doctrine. For that, go read FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.

Otherwise, you do not even have an opinion without reading those cases. What you have is simple ignorance.

Guess who got Chevron through? Justice Scalia would be the Justice.

The only area an agency may act wo an Enabling Statute is when an agency can be said to be acting within the authority or power vested in the Executive Branch by the Constitution as a separate and delegated power.

Another concept that has become exploited in the last 50 years.


Yawn: You have never read Chevron or Skidmore. Skidmore was also put over by Justice Scalia. As you have demonstrated in this thread, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Agencies can only act within the Enabling Statute passed by Congress.

I recognize that. However, wide latitude and discretion is currently allowed to humor the current administration’s agenda (as long as it melds with their own). This is what NEEDS to be narrowed.

You, not Jefffive, are wrong.

If you look back above…I edited that post. He replied quickly and I had made a poor choice of words.

That is what Chevron is all about whether the agency is exercising discretion granted by the Enabling Statute in a reasonable manner. Not everything an agency does is entitled to Chevron Difference.

Go read Chevron and just as important Skidmore.

The Courts have already took a half step back w the Major Questions Doctrine. For that, go read FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.

Otherwise, you do not even have an opinion without reading those cases. What you have is simple ignorance.

Guess who got Chevron through? Justice Scalia would be the Justice.

The only area an agency may act wo an Enabling Statute is when an agency can be said to be acting within the authority or power vested in the Executive Branch by the Constitution as a separate and delegated power.

Another concept that has become exploited in the last 50 years.


Yawn: You have never read Chevron or Skidmore. Skidmore was also put over by Justice Scalia. As you have demonstrated in this thread, you have no idea what you are talking about.


It's neat how he admits that when he's wrong he doesn't simply admit it but goes back and edits what he said.


"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
 
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by LHeym500:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Agencies can only act within the Enabling Statute passed by Congress.

I recognize that. However, wide latitude and discretion is currently allowed to humor the current administration’s agenda (as long as it melds with their own). This is what NEEDS to be narrowed.

You, not Jefffive, are wrong.

If you look back above…I edited that post. He replied quickly and I had made a poor choice of words.

That is what Chevron is all about whether the agency is exercising discretion granted by the Enabling Statute in a reasonable manner. Not everything an agency does is entitled to Chevron Difference.

Go read Chevron and just as important Skidmore.

The Courts have already took a half step back w the Major Questions Doctrine. For that, go read FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.

Otherwise, you do not even have an opinion without reading those cases. What you have is simple ignorance.

Guess who got Chevron through? Justice Scalia would be the Justice.

The only area an agency may act wo an Enabling Statute is when an agency can be said to be acting within the authority or power vested in the Executive Branch by the Constitution as a separate and delegated power.

Another concept that has become exploited in the last 50 years.


Yawn: You have never read Chevron or Skidmore. Skidmore was also put over by Justice Scalia. As you have demonstrated in this thread, you have no idea what you are talking about.


It's neat how he admits that when he's wrong he doesn't simply admit it but goes back and edits what he said.


I edited almost immediately when I read what I had written…you were just sitting on my post and replied almost immediately.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by ledvm:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Agencies can only act within the Enabling Statute passed by Congress.

I recognize that. However, wide latitude and discretion is currently allowed to humor the current administration’s agenda (as long as it melds with their own). This is what NEEDS to be narrowed.

You, not Jefffive, are wrong.

If you look back above…I edited that post. He replied quickly and I had made a poor choice of words.

That is what Chevron is all about whether the agency is exercising discretion granted by the Enabling Statute in a reasonable manner. Not everything an agency does is entitled to Chevron Difference.

Go read Chevron and just as important Skidmore.

The Courts have already took a half step back w the Major Questions Doctrine. For that, go read FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.

Otherwise, you do not even have an opinion without reading those cases. What you have is simple ignorance.

Guess who got Chevron through? Justice Scalia would be the Justice.

The only area an agency may act wo an Enabling Statute is when an agency can be said to be acting within the authority or power vested in the Executive Branch by the Constitution as a separate and delegated power.

Another concept that has become exploited in the last 50 years.


Yawn: You have never read Chevron or Skidmore. Skidmore was also put over by Justice Scalia. As you have demonstrated in this thread, you have no idea what you are talking about.


It's neat how he admits that when he's wrong he doesn't simply admit it but goes back and edits what he said.


I edited almost immediately when I read what I had written…you were just sitting on my post and replied almost immediately.


Just can't admit being wrong...


"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
 
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Wrong…the executive branch controls the agencies.


That statement, temporarily made by me, was fundamentally inaccurate. Hence, I corrected it (almost immediately) with:

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The executive branch directs the agencies with much discretion.


This^^^statement is accurate. The discretion should be rained in.

The southern border is a good example of why.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Then change the Enabling Statute. Oh, wait, you do not have the votes.
 
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Originally posted by ledvm:
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Wrong…the executive branch controls the agencies.


That statement, temporarily made by me, was fundamentally inaccurate. Hence, I corrected it (almost immediately) with:

quote:
The executive branch directs the agencies with much discretion.


This^^^statement is accurate. The discretion should be rained in.

The southern border is a good example of why.


It's "reined" in, you know, like the straps that control a horse.

You know what a horse is, don't you?


"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
 
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You bring up the Southern Border.

The GOP never brought a border security/migration bill in 2016-2018.

Your part of the GOP is actively blocking a border bill.

The answer is to pass legislation, present legislation to be voted on, or stop complaining.
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...012fa8b9591c7c&ei=62

The Plan to Incapacitate the Federal Government

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...cid=socialshare&t=23

The end of government as we know it? What happens if Chevron deference is overturned.

This week, the Supreme Court heard two cases that have the potential to upend our government function as we know it. If the Supreme Court overturns the 40-year-old doctrine known as Chevron deference, it would drastically shrink the power of federal agencies to regulate much of anything at all. Which means that private businesses and corporations may have more ability to challenge and violate regulations - like environmental regulations, food safety regulations, trading and financial regulations, among others. The knock-on effect of overturning Chevron is difficult to calculate, because it has the potential to impact nearly every facet of our government, and of our daily lives.


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Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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