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Originally posted by theback40:
The BP and ice agents spent 4 years with Mayorkas, not only ignoring them, but accusing them of things they didnt do.
There were always top brass we had to know about, but never saw. The ones running our lives.
On rare occasions, ( maybe twice I think, in 8 yrs) we saw the base commander. We would stand a little straighter, and his words meant more than any others we heard.
Now, I couldnt tell you why it mattered more to us, back then it did. I want her to give those people some respect and consideration, after the last 4 yrs they had.
Tom P, you get the " best chuckle of the day" award with your post.

Well written, ICE seems much more motivated with Noem and Holman running the show!!!

Lil mikey is upset cause he has to pay more for lawn care

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Originally posted by theback40:
Yes, when doing a 21 gun salute, they go to port arms, and fire from the position.
The more some of you try to find something to bitch about, the more stupid you sound.
No military or LEO's in the bunch of you for certain.

Friggen democrat girly men!

Can't accomplish anything and have to nitpick those that can!!!

She was a successful governor that did great things for her state, she is really getting things done for our country and the girly men have to find something to bitch about....pussies!

Mayorkas would have wet his panties if confronted by a real woman, much less a real man, yet these girly men had nothing bad to say about him......

As TB 40 is saying... its standard for parade ground military use.

Watch a funeral honor guard sometime.

I have done the above positioning. Its not "unsafe" and is done by every military recruit.

If you have ever taken a photo with your rifle and a game animal, likely your muzzle was closer to your head than here.

I get your point about not pointing the gun at something you are unwilling to destroy. She didn't here. Is it rather close as in if it went off the guy would have hearing damage? Yes.

Its a photo op and its a 2D complaint of a 3D situation.

Heck a bunch here were defending that hack actor after he shot his film director over the fact that it was an acting situation...

Port Arms while standing in ranks is not an inherently unsafe firearm position. Been there even if I don't have the shiny medal.

The officer standing next to her doesn't seem to feel its unsafe... and too close? if hearing issues are your criteria, I presume you never hunt in groups with people?

I get your point, but your point is that it is a subjective feeling that it is too close, not a blanket condemnation of the woman's gun safety skills.

There are better things to complain about than Noem's holding a rifle in a photo op... its about as nothingburger as Obama's suit color. (that was a farce as well, only from the opposite political side of the fence.)

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I was never in the military or law enforcement, but I've had the rules of gun safety drilled into me from the time I was twelve, and I've taught them to my son and other young people.

The muzzle of her rifle is pointed unacceptably close to that officer's head. Photos I've seen of officers carrying rifles this way show the barrels aimed well above the head of the guy next to them.

Part of the problem is she's much shorter than the male officer, which lowers the muzzle to be in line, or closely in line with his head. And that's a short-barreled AR.

Dr. Butler, you surprise me. It doesn't matter that the gun is unloaded, that the safety is engaged, or that her finger isn't in the trigger guard. All of that is irrelevant, no defense to an accident.

You never point a gun at or near anything you don't wish to destroy.

There are assumptions being made both ways. I cannot tell the firearms positioning from the photo. However, parade does not use live ammo.

I will say, I would not permit someone to point a short barrel, brakes, AR within two feet of my head. Again, she has no use nor business being there.

I cannot say the firearms positioning is in a usage position based on photo. I will say two feet in front of my face as stated above is a hard no you will not for me.

The guy next to her, to the viewer's right, appears to be holding his rifle correctly. If his rifle went off, it wouldn't shoot the person who might be standing on his other side.

The man to her right is holding his rifle higher and more vertically. He wouldn't blow the next man's face off. (Forget the guy on the left; he's just trying to get his face in the photo.)

She a) is shorter, b) is holding a short-barreled rifle, and c) is holding it at a less steep angle. Also she appears to be turned slightly to her left. Do you mean adjustments aren't made in military formation to account for these factors?

I'm not condemning her, just saying I don't think the photo reflects good gun safety.

Rolland, if you are smart enough to deserve two votes, you should know angles do not change. A 2" barrel, or 200", the angle stays the same.
I have never witnessed a short man be told to lean forward or any other contortions because it changed the angle of his hold. Easy to replicate the photo at home. You are being suckered by an illusion.

Check the photo again Rolland. Her right shoulder appears to be in line with the man on her right. It also looks like her left shoulder is in line with the big guy on the left. That puts the muzzle angle FOREWARD of the big guy. I propose you contact all military and LEO and demand a change because you folks dont like it. If you convince them, I'll go along with it too.

Setting aside the ridiculous ballistic Barbie outfit and fact that this is a stupid publicity stunt by Noem, anybody that thinks this is safe weapons handling doesn't know what they are talking about. Sorry, but she is pointing the muzzle of that weapon way too close to the officer's head.

https://x.com/Sec_Noem/status/...-at-officers-head%2F

Your first clause I agree with.

Her facial expression seems to be trying to be blank.

As far as dangerous, the gun isn’t pointed at the guy, and if a SBR like that goes off, then they are noise and blast will be problematic no matter which way it’s pointed- even to her.

I do find it interesting that folks with no practical experience of military/LE operations are convinced this is unsafe, and the military experienced folks who say this is not unusual are being told they don’t know what they are wrong.

I agree that it’s a silly photo op and Noem trying to look like a girl badass is silly, but it’s neither unsafe nor dangerous. You can certainly state that it’s not something you would do, but I suspect you have if you’ve ever hunted pheasants in a field with a group- just not as close.

Watched your clip Mike. Never once has her weapon crossed to be pointed at his head. Hold a rifle in that position and see for yourself, it can not physically point at someone standing shoulder to shoulder with you.
As I told Rolland. If you can convince the entire armed forces not to do it that way in formation, I will jump on board. I had never felt in danger from it being done the exact same way. Yet you guys are dictating danger from a picture?

Did you notice, the agent next to her, never cast a glance at her muzzle? If it was pointing at him, dont you think it would at least get his attention, once?
As to muzzle blast. When you sling a carbine it is closer to your head than port arms. When we load into a chopper with rifles slung or in harness, they are closer to bodies, ours and others, than port arms carry. Yet we never felt in danger there either, barrels were not directly pointed at each other. Just hard to believe otherwise intelligent people are being this dense.

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The officer standing next to her doesn't seem to feel its unsafe... and too close? if hearing issues are your criteria, I presume you never hunt in groups with people?

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DfJeCUjNE/

He looks at her gun position & also shifts his position.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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The officer standing next to her doesn't seem to feel its unsafe... and too close? if hearing issues are your criteria, I presume you never hunt in groups with people?

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DfJeCUjNE/

He looks at her gun position & also shifts his position.

Well, there you go.

He rocked his legs pimple. He did not shift back or away. he glanced a little right, not at her muzzle unless you can see through his sunglasses in a picture? He also turned his head all the way to the left, what does that mean.

People can read it either way reasonably.

He does move back.

Again, if the argument is the barrel was 2 feet in front of his face, I would not accept that rifle 2 feet in front of my face. I certainly would not with live ammo.

Than you would be discharged from the military for disobeying orders heym. You do not get to tell them what you will and will not do. If hundreds of soldiers were shot because of standing at port arms, do you think we might have heard about it by now?
The world does not revolve around Heym, despite what you think.
I have yet to hear rolland, or mike say they stood with a rifle at port arms, and it would be pointed right at a persons head beside them. That is what they claim. I guess if you had a rubber stock and could bend it around your body you could.

I'm no military expert, but it doesn't look to me like she's holding the rifle at port arms. Isn't she holding it too low for port arms?

The man to the right of her is holding his rifle in a much higher position.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Than you would be discharged from the military for disobeying orders heym. You do not get to tell them what you will and will not do. If hundreds of soldiers were shot because of standing at port arms, do you think we might have heard about it by now?
The world does not revolve around Heym, despite what you think.
I have yet to hear rolland, or mike say they stood with a rifle at port arms, and it would be pointed right at a persons head beside them. That is what they claim. I guess if you had a rubber stock and could bend it around your body you could.

The fact pattern is not a military scenario.

The issue is not one of military practice. The issue is a non-frontline responder, posing with the weapon as above. Nothing would prevent me from telling her to point the muzzzke in a different direction in this fact pattern. Again, parade does not use live ammo. We do not consider the drill spinning of M13s standard safety practice outside of the military. I do not consider this fact pattern either.

Again, if she were to point that firearm, as configured two feet in front of my face. Would not consider it safe. I would tell her, and move.

Yes, the operator appears to reposition out of her muzzles way.

I agree! Rolex are in bad taste! She should have been shooting in a Vacheron Constantin. Preferably a 222

FFS let it go. If the guy next to her was uncomfortable with it he should have told her to point it somewhere else.