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Originally posted by Saeed:
Let us hope it is not true!

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Guides and outfitters are advisors. In the end if you pull the trigger it's your responsibility.

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At one point in the video Don Jr is surrounded by an array of dead birds including an unusual amber coloured duck which he says: 'Is a rather uncommon bird in the area. I'm not even sure what it is.'

The unidentified duck in question appears to be a Ruddy Shelduck which is a rare species in Europe and is reportedly believed to have a declining population.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
So, let me get this straight? You book a hunt to a foreign country...any country and you are responsible for knowing , YOU, the boundaries of hunting areas and specific game laws of every species available to hunt???

Really???

And you guys that say yes? How many foreign trips have you made, and to where?

This ain't a Trump thing, this is an everybody thing!

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Originally posted by JTEX:
So, let me get this straight? You book a hunt to a foreign country...any country and you are responsible for knowing , YOU, the boundaries of hunting areas and specific game laws of every species available to hunt???

Really???

And you guys that say yes? How many foreign trips have you made, and to where?

This ain't a Trump thing, this is an everybody thing!

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
So, let me get this straight? You book a hunt to a foreign country...any country and you are responsible for knowing , YOU, the boundaries of hunting areas and specific game laws of every species available to hunt???

Really???

And you guys that say yes? How many foreign trips have you made, and to where?

This ain't a Trump thing, this is an everybody thing!

Ive done 7

Kyrgyzstan, The US twice, Australia twice, Sweden, Germany.

If I had a tag in the US for a black bear, and shot a brown bear because I didn't know the difference. How would that go for me?

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Shooting something on a tag and shooting on the wing is comparing apples to oranges as on the one hand you have the time to assess the quarry with or without the help of a guide while shooting waterfowl (especially ducks) usually entails multiple guns, shooting stations, use of decoys, callers, blinds, dogs etc. and rarely the presence of a guide; you are allocated your spot which has already been set up to be occupied and wait for things to hot up.

Identifying a duck in flight is somewhat difficult if not impossible and intermingling of other species in a flock is not uncommon either which adds to the impossibility of singling out a specific target.

Lastly, Italian hunting laws are not as draconian as some try to portray and the Forestry Dept. will prosecute accordingly following an investigation (if deemed necessary) and mete out a fine or at worse a suspension of license if guilt is concluded.

Now, if Don Jr. had not been included in this legally organized hunt do you all honestly believe it would have made the headlines and politicized to this extent?

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Shooting something on a tag and shooting on the wing is comparing apples to oranges as on the one hand you have the time to assess the quarry with or without the help of a guide while shooting waterfowl (especially ducks) usually entails multiple guns, shooting stations, use of decoys, callers, blinds, dogs etc. and rarely the presence of a guide; you are allocated your spot which has already been set up to be occupied and wait for things to hot up.

Identifying a duck in flight is somewhat difficult if not impossible and intermingling of other species in a flock is not uncommon either which adds to the impossibility of singling out a specific target.

Lastly, Italian hunting laws are not as draconian as some try to portray and the Forestry Dept. will prosecute accordingly following an investigation (if deemed necessary) and mete out a fine or at worse a suspension of license if guilt is concluded.

Now, if Don Jr. had not been included in this legally organized hunt do you all honestly believe it would have made the headlines and politicized to this extent?

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Shooting something on a tag and shooting on the wing is comparing apples to oranges as on the one hand you have the time to assess the quarry with or without the help of a guide while shooting waterfowl (especially ducks) usually entails multiple guns, shooting stations, use of decoys, callers, blinds, dogs etc. and rarely the presence of a guide; you are allocated your spot which has already been set up to be occupied and wait for things to hot up.

Identifying a duck in flight is somewhat difficult if not impossible and intermingling of other species in a flock is not uncommon either which adds to the impossibility of singling out a specific target.

Lastly, Italian hunting laws are not as draconian as some try to portray and the Forestry Dept. will prosecute accordingly following an investigation (if deemed necessary) and mete out a fine or at worse a suspension of license if guilt is concluded.

Now, if Don Jr. had not been included in this legally organized hunt do you all honestly believe it would have made the headlines and politicized to this extent?

How about this. If there is a good chance of killing an illegal to kill critter then don't fucking hunt there.

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Barbie Latza Nadeau, CNN
Wed, February 5, 2025 at 5:41 PM GMT+1

"The video, which was republished on Italian media websites, shows a small group of hunters – including Trump Jr. – shooting up at flocks of ducks flying overhead, many of which drop into the water when hit".

So who shot the fucking duck?

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Barbie Latza Nadeau, CNN
Wed, February 5, 2025 at 5:41 PM GMT+1

"The video, which was republished on Italian media websites, shows a small group of hunters – including Trump Jr. – shooting up at flocks of ducks flying overhead, many of which drop into the water when hit".

So who shot the fucking duck?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Shooting something on a tag and shooting on the wing is comparing apples to oranges as on the one hand you have the time to assess the quarry with or without the help of a guide while shooting waterfowl (especially ducks) usually entails multiple guns, shooting stations, use of decoys, callers, blinds, dogs etc. and rarely the presence of a guide; you are allocated your spot which has already been set up to be occupied and wait for things to hot up.

Identifying a duck in flight is somewhat difficult if not impossible and intermingling of other species in a flock is not uncommon either which adds to the impossibility of singling out a specific target.

Lastly, Italian hunting laws are not as draconian as some try to portray and the Forestry Dept. will prosecute accordingly following an investigation (if deemed necessary) and mete out a fine or at worse a suspension of license if guilt is concluded.

Now, if Don Jr. had not been included in this legally organized hunt do you all honestly believe it would have made the headlines and politicized to this extent?

How about this. If there is a good chance of killing an illegal to kill critter then don't fucking hunt there.

I have never hunted ANYWHERE where there aren't "Royal game" so to speak. When I'm in areas that I'd not know all the rules and law, then I hire a guide and or outfitter.....

Prosecutorial discretion is something that "should" come in to play on something like this......

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Wow, even when it comes to hunting you can tell right off the bet, who is Conservative and who is Vindictive Dem
I’d say Dems law fare is a real thing if you read this OP and that’s a fact

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The last time I hunted public land for elk on WY I ran into a conservation officer.

I was legal. He was very friendly. I commented, “ You are the nicest game warden I have ever met.”

That upset him. He took the power stance pointed at me, “ Let me tell you how friendly I am! Last week a guy killed a spike by accident on a cow tag! He immediately self reported! I wrote him and am going to break him!”

He yelled the whole time.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
And as a travelling hunter, who wants to take the risk? Better to go in knowing exactly what you are there too hunt and how.

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Today, I signed a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day I took office, I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department’s decision-making, and I kept my word even as I have watched my son being selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted. Without aggravating factors like use in a crime, multiple purchases, or buying a weapon as a straw purchaser, people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form. Those who were late paying their taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently with interest and penalties, are typically given non-criminal resolutions. It is clear that Hunter was treated differently.

The charges in his cases came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election. Then, a carefully negotiated plea deal, agreed to by the Department of Justice, unraveled in the court room – with a number of my political opponents in Congress taking credit for bringing political pressure on the process. Had the plea deal held, it would have been a fair, reasonable resolution of Hunter’s cases.

No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son – and that is wrong. There has been an effort to break Hunter – who has been five and a half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks and selective prosecution. In trying to break Hunter, they’ve tried to break me – and there’s no reason to believe it will stop here. Enough is enough.

For my entire career I have followed a simple principle: just tell the American people the truth. They’ll be fair-minded. Here’s the truth: I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice – and once I made this decision this weekend, there was no sense in delaying it further. I hope Americans will understand why a father and a President would come to this decision.