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If the law worked as it should be, this criminal wouldn’t have been on the subway! You no longer have;A3 and order in most American cities. You a legalized crimes!  | |||
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One key difference you are failing to recognize, The capital rioters were actively engaged in violence while the guy who was choked out on the subway was not. It really is quite simple, engage in violence and place law enforcement in danger and you get what you deserve, act like a nutter but not become violent and you deserve all the benefits of protection that our legal system offers. Innocent until proven guilty and all that other bullshit. | |||
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Crime is legal in Arab countries as well if you are close enough relation to the head sheik | |||
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I see I hit the nail right on the head! | |||
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Well said! | |||
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You guys can’t see the difference between a large rioting crowd conducting a violent attack to subvert the democratic process and some solo nutbucket acting the fool on a subway? God have mercy on this country. | |||
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I'm talking about a nutcase at each place. At one it's kill him, at the other it's "Oh, how could they" | |||
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Ah but the solo nut jobs are in a very large, violent group. The product of your ultra liberal stupidity! | |||
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Give the conservatives the credit they deserve for saving money by closing our inpatient facilities, this issue was created by some very odd bedfellows, fiscal conservatives and civil libertarians. | |||
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There are fed programs and money to help family care for those that need watching, that includes breaks for the care givers. Less hassle for the families to just let them live on the streets though. | |||
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Strange that the vast majority of State run mental institutions in the US were closed during terms of Democrat Governors - Mario and Andrew Cuomo should be familiar to a New York State native such as yourself. The reason for most of the closings was, at the time, said to be due to less need for services. Something that we can thank (blame?) the pharmaceutical and insurance industries for. Drug them up and throw them out was the mantra. Same thing going on today except it's the push for drug legalization that is expected to quell the rising need for expensive psychiatric care. | |||
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Not a surprise really, Federal funding stopped just before Cuomo took office. I watched the large State mental Hospital at Sonyea NY close, it is less that 2 miles from my family farm. Shortly after the funding stopped, the hospital closed and the mentally ill were sleeping on the bus benches in town. Both sides own this one, it was a goal of Reagan's to stop the Federal funding and he achieved that goal, we are all now reaping the rewards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...iliation_Act_of_1981 | |||
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How is that working out for the rest of us? Not so well I would say. | |||
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| One of Us |
Than why do you whine about one less? He wont be punching little old ladies anymore. | |||
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That's bullshit. Vast majority of American cities are safe. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I am not whining about one less but I do not approve of taking the law into your own hands unless you have no other choice in the matter. | |||
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The blame game is on full swing. THERY DID IT1 THEY DID IT! What a bunch of useless lot you all are. Ruled be deranged criminals. Voted in by no brains voters. Screaming WE ARE FREE! WE ARE FREE! Yes. Free from common sense! | |||
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I hope there is a man just like that marine riding in every subway, train, airplane in America. Heaven forbid we stand up for what’s right. You fucking cowards who would let this pos threaten your fellow man and not say a word are apart of the problem. The men I looked up to growing up would not tolerate egregious bad behavior. Your ass would get set straight and I mean right now. I seen it! America may be like the UK, all the men got killed in the war. | |||
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If there was, there will be no crime. The politicians are bending over and taking it up their rear ends to please criminals. Punishment MUST fit the crime, at least. My idea is TEN times worse! Start with bankers. Steal a $1,000, pay back $10,000! Politicians. Fail to fulfill a single election promise, get fired, and no pension! In the UK they had a silly Bimbo become PM for a few days. Suddenly, she is in for a massive retirement pay! | |||
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Some folks are Maremmas, some are sheep. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Well it is New York, where they are liberal whack jobs, but if a violent whack job gets killed in the process, that seems predictable and justified. Closed case in Texas. | |||
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Ah but in Texas the governor offers a reward for reporting your neighbor having an abortion! And in California, they report a massive debt, but offering trillions to blacks who were never slaves! | |||
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If there is an unruly passenger on a plane, the cabin asks for help from the passengers to restrain the problem. I see no reason a subway should be any different. All the whiners seem to assume Penny wanted to kill the man. I saw Penny, and bystanders trying to restrain him. | |||
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Penny had good intentions and acted nobly. I pray he gets off unscathed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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He should be given a medal! | |||
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Exactly! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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And when it is your 21 year old kid who had a few too many out at the bar and is deemed a threat I suppose squeezing the life out him will be fine too. | |||
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Did you see the look of terror on the dead dudes faces as he struggles for oxygen? Give me a break, that marine was doing his damn well best to stop the blood flow to the dead guys brain. | |||
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I would hate to think of the number of dead I would have accumulated had I choked out every single urine covered crazy ass homeless person screaming at me for money while I lived and worked in NYC, this shit occurs regularly. The vast majority of the time you can simply ignore it and that is what the Marine should have done. If our dead guy had actually become physically violent this would be a very different story but all reports so far are that he was not violent. | |||
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Until you can say you were there and knew what Penny was thinking.... you are talking out of your ass. | |||
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His usual way!  | |||
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It could be that the poor delicate flower felt threatened, that is not an excuse to choke to someone out. You might look into the Law in NY State, it ain't Texas. | |||
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We know how it works in your area, depends upon who your Daddy is how the law is applied | |||
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This was NOT some kid out with too many beers. Complete misrepresentation of the situation. Yes, the guy should have been committed and we can agree on that. But, under present rules he was a menace to society with a long record. Penny acted nobly. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Nothing noble about choking out a crazy guy who is not being violent. Had the dead dude become violent I would agree. It is not misrepresenting the situation in the least if you are claiming that Penny's fear justified the violence. How would a guy in a bar fear a large drunk kid be any different? Fear is fear and not justification in NY State. | |||
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The people who were “there” are coming out in favor of Penny. One lady publicly thanked him. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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All well and good but it does not change the facts, penny was the first to become violent. It is not misrepresenting the situation in the least if you are claiming that Penny's fear justified the violence. How would a guy in a bar fearing a large drunk kid be any different? Fear is fear and not justification in NY State. | |||
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The fearful don’t act. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Typical lib. The fear in Neely face? What about the fear in the passengers? Several called 911 as they were fearful. They dont count in libville. No different than the airplane situation I noted. I expect he will be cleared when everything gets told. To many people who were there, not internet experts. | |||
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Were you there? How did you develop your expertise in this situation? Hypocrisy much? Were the other passengers being choked to death when they were in fear? A different type of fear. I have dealt with more situations like this than you can care to imagine, shit happens in the big city. Had Neely become violent, which apparently he did not, then I would agree with you. | |||
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