The conservative majority on the Supreme Court are creating an imperial presidency.

DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

Kate is the intellectually dishonest tub.

Sen . McConnell and his GOP majority says, “ A president in an election year should not be allowed to appoint a Supreme Court seat. The voters should way in this close to an election. Therefore, this Senate majority I lead is invoking its right not to consent.”

Okay, fine. The Senate must consent.


Fast forward, and Sen. McConnell and that Senate Majority violates that state’s principle when their Party’s President is in an election year to pack the Court.

This is the type of intellectual dishonesty that paved way for MAGA, Trump, and the Texas Contingency.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

I disagree. The idea that we shouldn't have any or less black or brown or green lawyers because they don't test as well as white lawyers for law school in a white lawyer dominated world is bullshit. There is room for all and the system should be set up to allow for it.

Why do you give a shit, Saeed? We're all vermin anyway, right? Until you need us. Or, wait...you never need a lawyer right? Because your system is set up to give you and the rest of the monarchs insulation from ever needing a lawyer because...you're the monarchs. You don't want a system where some lawyer is all up in your shit calling you to account and requiring you to explain why you do what you do. Not surprising.

Accountability sucks.

The problem is the far right plays into DEI.

I was never taught about the African American community burned to the ground.

I was taught John Brown was a terrorist. I was not taught that John Brown came out of Bloody Kanas Territory elections were the result of Fraud , and violence by marauding slavers.

John Brown was tried for treason in Virginia and against Virginia. One cannot betray a state they are not citizens of in 19th century Federalism. That was a legal fiction. John Brown seized the Federal garrison at Harper's Ferry. Guess what, the Virginia Governor who wanted John Brown blood had the Federal garrison at Harper’s Ferry seized. He is more guilty of treason along w all the Southern, Generals than John Brown.


In short, to Hell with your heritage and tradition.

I’m am all for DEI. The foundational Affirmative Action Case taught in law schools (before this S. Ct., overturned it) was an African American student with a 160 LSAT and B plus average got into University of Michigan Law. That is a very high ranked “public university law school.” His stats were the same as mine. I could not get into University of Michigan Law School. I did not care. He took nothing from me. If a white student lost a spot at Michigan, he went to Virginia or Vandy. There was no disadvantage to whites.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

I disagree. The idea that we shouldn't have any or less black or brown or green lawyers because they don't test as well as white lawyers for law school in a white lawyer dominated world is bullshit. There is room for all and the system should be set up to allow for it.

Why do you give a shit, Saeed? We're all vermin anyway, right? Until you need us. Or, wait...you never need a lawyer right? Because your system is set up to give you and the rest of the monarchs insulation from ever needing a lawyer because...you're the monarchs. You don't want a system where some lawyer is all up in your shit calling you to account and requiring you to explain why you do what you do. Not surprising.

Accountability sucks.

I don’t care what race you are.

I don’t care what gender you are.

I didn’t care what color you are.

As long as you are the best person for the job!

Anything else is TOTAL BULLSHIT!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

I disagree. The idea that we shouldn't have any or less black or brown or green lawyers because they don't test as well as white lawyers for law school in a white lawyer dominated world is bullshit. There is room for all and the system should be set up to allow for it.

Why do you give a shit, Saeed? We're all vermin anyway, right? Until you need us. Or, wait...you never need a lawyer right? Because your system is set up to give you and the rest of the monarchs insulation from ever needing a lawyer because...you're the monarchs. You don't want a system where some lawyer is all up in your shit calling you to account and requiring you to explain why you do what you do. Not surprising.

Accountability sucks.

While I agree that DEI/Affirmative action is inherently racist and wrong, I don't disagree that the GOP was hypocritical in its playing politics on the SCOTUS nomination stuff. Of course, the Dems have been as well.

Unfortunately, law school class spots (and medical school class spots) are essentially a very limited commodity. You should be ensuring that the folks who can do the best job, and are the most likely to succeed with the education are the ones that society should spend the opportunity on.

No one can argue that there are not extremely successful and good minority lawyers out there. If I was charged with a crime, I certainly would want a Johnny Cochrane defending me.

The anti DEI argument is that the tests (LSAT, MCAT, GRE, SAT) were statistically derived on likelihood of graduation. Combine that with the class ranking/GPA and you had a pretty good idea if a candidate was going to pass the course of study.

Unless you actually think that minorities are inferior, holding a statistically validated test as your entrance requirement is not a racist policy. If the minorities are not scoring as well on these tests, why are they not? How do you fix the disparity in the test results without saying they just are not able to pass and we need to let them pass?

The lefty lawyers here keep denigrating Clarence Thomas and calling him unqualified, yet he got in to law school before affirmative action was the law of the land- yet they seem to think Jackson-Lee IS qualified, despite the guy who nominated her stating that he was only going to nominate a black woman...

I am not as familiar with law school admissions (as I did not go through it, although both my brother and sister did...) but I do know that the med schools have been playing those DEI games and there have been an increase in folks not completing med school, and the rate of folks who complete it failing to pass the medical boards is going up as well.

If you could find a way to have more med school slots so that the ability to offer admission was open to more people, then you could reasonably offer places to more folks with lower scores as you would have accepted everyone with a higher score and would need to fill out the class with lesser likelihood of passing students.

No, your MCAT scores don't make you a more effective doctor- but they do indicate that you are more likely to become a doctor after all is said and done. That's the point of an admission process. Get the most likely to graduate in the seat. We need more professionals... use the spots most efficiently.

The criteria for any job should be who is best qualified to do it.

End of story.

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The lefty lawyers here keep denigrating Clarence Thomas and calling him unqualified, yet he got in to law school before affirmative action was the law of the land- yet they seem to think Jackson-Lee IS qualified, despite the guy who nominated her stating that he was only going to nominate a black woman...

Well, Doc, as usual you make some good points, but miss the boat on some things. I haven't seen anyone here call Thomas unqualified--if you're talking about brains and legal ability. He makes a qualified lower court judge. I disagree with Thomas on a number of legal opinions, but that alone doesn't make me think he's unqualified.

But he doesn't belong on the SC. He has a deficient sense of ethics. He shouldn't accept gifts of travel, accommodations, and luxuries--especially not from billionaires with legal and political interests. He doesn't see that. He's got a blind spot where ethics are concerned--which only makes it more likely that his legal opinions will be influenced by the gifts.

So I guess you may be right in a way: I do call Thomas unqualified. He doesn't have the ethics for the job.

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If the minorities are not scoring as well on these tests, why are they not? How do you fix the disparity in the test results without saying they just are not able to pass and we need to let them pass?

The standard is simply lowered.

Back when I entered LE part of the testing of course was physical. One of those tests was to be able to pass a swim test with gear on. My agency wasn't able to meet/hire enough black applicants because most did not know how to swim so the requirement was dropped.

Begs the question: Should the employer be the one to make sure applicants and new hires are capable of such things? To me, probably.

Teach them to swim. We had to train all the time with a variety of things and scenarios anyway. I personally would rather have LEO's and co-workers who could swim in order to save lives if needed rather than have people without the ability to do so.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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The lefty lawyers here keep denigrating Clarence Thomas and calling him unqualified, yet he got in to law school before affirmative action was the law of the land- yet they seem to think Jackson-Lee IS qualified, despite the guy who nominated her stating that he was only going to nominate a black woman...

Well, Doc, as usual you make some good points, but miss the boat on some things. I haven't seen anyone here call Thomas unqualified--if you're talking about brains and legal ability. He makes a qualified lower court judge. I disagree with Thomas on a number of legal opinions, but that alone doesn't make me think he's unqualified.

But he doesn't belong on the SC. He has a deficient sense of ethics. He shouldn't accept gifts of travel, accommodations, and luxuries--especially not from billionaires with legal and political interests. He doesn't see that. He's got a blind spot where ethics are concerned--which only makes it more likely that his legal opinions will be influenced by the gifts.

So I guess you may be right in a way: I do call Thomas unqualified. He doesn't have the ethics for the job.

He is qualified. He is not subjectively fit as he demonstrates in his own dissents.

Justice Thomas graduated Yale Law. He just desires to overturn modern jurisprudence. He is not stupid. He knows what he is doing.

One of my bosses went to law school in the 70s. He got into UK Law because he was awarded a seat set aside for folks from the Appalachian region.

He owns a bank now.

In Detroit, there were 11,000 plus rape kits that were collected, warehoused, and never tested.

Guess what, everyone one of those kits represents a person. Everyone of them were a person of color.

It was the County Prosecutor who put a stop to that and made everyone of those kits be tested and investigations open.

It caused Congress to pass a nationwide funding bill to get resources in place to prevent such “backlog.”

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

I disagree. The idea that we shouldn't have any or less black or brown or green lawyers because they don't test as well as white lawyers for law school in a white lawyer dominated world is bullshit. There is room for all and the system should be set up to allow for it.

Why do you give a shit, Saeed? We're all vermin anyway, right? Until you need us. Or, wait...you never need a lawyer right? Because your system is set up to give you and the rest of the monarchs insulation from ever needing a lawyer because...you're the monarchs. You don't want a system where some lawyer is all up in your shit calling you to account and requiring you to explain why you do what you do. Not surprising.

Accountability sucks.

I don’t care what race you are.

I don’t care what gender you are.

I didn’t care what color you are.

As long as you are the best person for the job!

Anything else is TOTAL BULLSHIT!

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you don't care about it is because you're not subjected to discrimination? Being a monarch, I know you don't have to worry about mundane things like getting into the school of your choice or not getting the job you want because the person that interviews you is racist or any of the scores of ways that people of color are discriminated against.

It doesn't happen to you, right? So, what's the problem? No offense but that is a bullshit selfish attitude.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
DEI is nothing but a bullshit idea!

Divide and conquer.

That is all it is.

Best person for the job.

Gender, race or color should never be the reason!

I disagree. The idea that we shouldn't have any or less black or brown or green lawyers because they don't test as well as white lawyers for law school in a white lawyer dominated world is bullshit. There is room for all and the system should be set up to allow for it.

Why do you give a shit, Saeed? We're all vermin anyway, right? Until you need us. Or, wait...you never need a lawyer right? Because your system is set up to give you and the rest of the monarchs insulation from ever needing a lawyer because...you're the monarchs. You don't want a system where some lawyer is all up in your shit calling you to account and requiring you to explain why you do what you do. Not surprising.

Accountability sucks.

I don’t care what race you are.

I don’t care what gender you are.

I didn’t care what color you are.

As long as you are the best person for the job!

Anything else is TOTAL BULLSHIT!

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you don't care about it is because you're not subjected to discrimination? Being a monarch, I know you don't have to worry about mundane things like getting into the school of your choice or not getting the job you want because the person that interviews you is racist or any of the scores of ways that people of color are discriminated against.

It doesn't happen to you, right? So, what's the problem? No offense but that is a bullsh!t selfish attitude.

It's a common thought process... sort of like some libbies denying that there problem illegal aliens

Saeed’s successes come in spite of lineage. While I disagree with many of his political opinions, you can’t spend a day with him or his family without recognizing he’d be successful if his name was Smith. Oxford graduate (or Cambridge?) Architect, U.S. trained commercial pilot with a helicopter rating, and very successful international businessman. With Saeed, it’s meritocracy, not a royal dole.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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If the minorities are not scoring as well on these tests, why are they not? How do you fix the disparity in the test results without saying they just are not able to pass and we need to let them pass?

The standard is simply lowered.

Back when I entered LE part of the testing of course was physical. One of those tests was to be able to pass a swim test with gear on. My agency wasn't able to meet/hire enough black applicants because most did not know how to swim so the requirement was dropped.

Begs the question: Should the employer be the one to make sure applicants and new hires are capable of such things? To me, probably.

Teach them to swim. We had to train all the time with a variety of things and scenarios anyway. I personally would rather have LEO's and co-workers who could swim in order to save lives if needed rather than have people without the ability to do so.

The weight standards must have been lowered too based on the size of a lot of the cops I see.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Saeed’s successes come in spite of lineage. While I disagree with many of his political opinions, you can’t spend a day with him or his family without recognizing he’d be successful if his name was Smith. Oxford graduate (or Cambridge?) Architect, U.S. trained commercial pilot with a helicopter rating, and very successful international businessman. With Saeed, it’s meritocracy, not a royal dole.

What does that have to do with what I posted? The point is that he started out with inherent advantages.