Despite your protestations that you want Trump locked up if found guilty, your constant use of deflection to other cases in order to defend Trump shows otherwise.

If there was a grand conspiracy, why didn't they indict Pence?

Come on man, gotta think like a conspiracy theorist. Pence skated because he is part of the swamp. He’s the guy that refused to go along with Trump’s coup attempt. He’s redeemed himself with the members of the Trilateral Commission. Getting a pass was his payback.

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Those who advance it are liars or fools.

And mostly both

Did you see the boxes??

Lock him up!

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Yeah, we just heard a highly respected Conservative Fed Judge tell us how President Trump’s post took was against the Constitution, and the Full GA phone call.

We also got to hear sworn testimony of President Trump musing to hang the VP was probably the right idea.

Tell me about that critical thinking again.

The only BS is your article and position.

If you care to read my words and not assign your assumptions to them, You'd see I'm really not even defending Trump.

I'm questioning our justice systems methods and aggressiveness towards one political ideology.

I read your source. I cited its words.

If you want to know the differences between HRC and President Trump read the indictment vs what Comey said about HRC when declining prosecution.

You cannot complain when your own source is cited back to you. You also have not refuted whether you believe those 100 agents led the attack.

You attack the Jan 6 Committee as BS ignoring the Testimony of a Respected Fed Judge, the GA phone Call, and President Trump’s own words.

Assberg, have you read the indictment, yet?

Please tell what you know to be inaccurate.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital.

Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness.

We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive.

Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6.

Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie.

Those who advance it are liars or fools.

I'm glad you mentioned the super credible J6 committee. It was a professionally produced, made for TV BS committee with only Democrats, Liz Chenny and Adam Kinzinger. They both Hate trump almost to an clinical point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...20New%20York%20Times

But you knew that.

Was not the original intention to have a bipartisan committee which the R’s objected to?

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital.

Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness.

We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive.

Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6.

Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie.

Those who advance it are liars or fools.

I'm glad you mentioned the super credible J6 committee. It was a professionally produced, made for TV BS committee with only Democrats, Liz Chenny and Adam Kinzinger. They both Hate trump almost to an clinical point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...20New%20York%20Times

But you knew that.

Was not the original intention to have a bipartisan committee which the R’s objected to?

There is nothing in America which is bipartisan .

The whole bloody system is corrupt to the core!

No, Saeed, it just means that one side is unilaterally wrong.

Right? -- Right.

The thing is that the J6 committee investigations wouldn't have happened if the Dems didn't take the initiative. Repugs tried to quash it all the way along, and tried alt-narratives, alt-facts, etc. They didn't want the truth.

They wanted to spin it with impunity.

After all, the insurrection events on J6 at the capitol were directly related to and a result of Rightist ideology, and at least a thousand lies from people like Trump and Carlson.

Can you imagine what will happen if they become able to make fiction or bury truth given the fascist power to do so?

Thank goodness the hearings were televised, and done so professionally. That was for the People to know. That wasn't propaganda. It was to counter propaganda, which is not easy.

As I recall, initially the republicans tried to get saboteur snakes like Gym Jordon on the committee, and the Dems correctly objected.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital.

Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness.

We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive.

Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6.

Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie.

Those who advance it are liars or fools.

I'm glad you mentioned the super credible J6 committee. It was a professionally produced, made for TV BS committee with only Democrats, Liz Chenny and Adam Kinzinger. They both Hate trump almost to an clinical point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...20New%20York%20Times

But you knew that.

Was not the original intention to have a bipartisan committee which the R’s objected to?

“Like all Americans, Mr Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence. The government has the burden of proving its charges beyond a reasonable doubt and securing a unanimous verdict by a South Florida jury,” Mr Romney said.

“By all appearances, the Justice Department and special counsel have exercised due care, affording Mr. Trump the time and opportunity to avoid charges that would not generally have been afforded to others. Mr. Trump brought these charges upon himself by not only taking classified documents, but by refusing to simply return them when given numerous opportunities to do so.”

Mitt Romney

Who is Assburg? He up and disappeared. Either a shill or got his feelers bruised.

He's contemplating, which is as close to critical thinking he'll ever get.

He asked for debate, I suppose, in his own way, which was to state his presupposed conclusions, without supporting facts and evidence.

He got what he was asking for. I hope it was worthwhile.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital.

Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness.

We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive.

Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6.

Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie.

Those who advance it are liars or fools.

Are you talking about the J6 committee that altered, edited and added audio to the video evidence from that day?

Always good to have a new conspiracy kook join us. Welcome comrade.

No, I actually watched the events of January 6 live. I saw real time the attack on our republic by the cretins of the right.

Assberg's relief.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Always good to have a new conspiracy kook join us. Welcome comrade.

No, I actually watched the events of January 6 live. I saw real time the attack on our republic by the cretins of the right.

You cited the J6 committee to critically think about?

I did.

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Originally posted by regor:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital.

Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness.

We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive.

Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6.

Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie.

Those who advance it are liars or fools.

Are you talking about the J6 committee that altered, edited and added audio to the video evidence from that day?

Regor -

We are in a time where the ends certainly justify the means. Scalps. . . thats all that matters.

I'm curious if the left in here believe that EVERYONE who incited violence at the riots and encouraged breaching the capitol building should be jailed?

So, now we're at the point of defending J6 seditionists, eh?

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Originally posted by regor:
Are you talking about the J6 committee that altered, edited and added audio to the video evidence from that day?

https://www.factcheck.org/2022...ith-jan-6-committee/

Jim Jordan’s Beef with Jan. 6 Committee
By Eugene Kiely

Posted on January 6, 2022

(excerpts)

During his Jan. 3 appearance on “The Ingraham Angle,” Jordan said, “The Jan. 6 committee has altered evidence and lied to the American people about that information.”

That’s a strong allegation that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

This claim of “altered evidence” has been made by others, including Trump.

A day after Jordan’s appearance on “The Ingraham Angle,” Trump issued a statement cancelling his plans for a Jan. 6 press conference. In that statement, the former president criticized the Jan. 6 committee — which he referred to as “the Democrats’ Great Cover-Up Committee” — and asked, “Why did Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff forge and change the statement of Congressman Jim Jordan without any consequence?”

Two days after the hearing, The Federalist — a conservative online magazine — disclosed that the text message was from Jordan. Its Dec. 15 story carried the headline “During January 6 Hearing, Schiff Doctored Text Messages Between Mark Meadows And Rep. Jim Jordan.”

Trump goes even further than Jordan.

Conclusion:
Schiff did not “forge” Jordan’s text message, and the evidence that Schiff substantively changed or altered it is paper thin.

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This is why many, including myself, think the "political" part of the legitimate investigation happened outside it, in the effort to alt-narrative it with lies and propaganda.

And you bought the lies, because you wanted to, predisposed to, internalized them and continue to spew them.

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Also:

https://www.google.com/search?...nt=gws-wiz-serp#ip=1

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I'm curious if the left in here believe that EVERYONE who incited violence at the riots and encouraged breaching the capitol building should be jailed?

Actually we believe that anyone supporting, or even thinks favorably of such acts, even today, should be jailed until they change their tune. No due process necessary.

Does that satisfy you, since that's what you already think is true?

You should know that I'm kidding you, being utterly ridiculous. I'm just saying what you already think.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
So, now we're at the point of defending J6 seditionists, eh?

Nope, try again. The theatric version of events, heavily edited is my issue.

If the J6 rioters were guilty of seditious acts, jail them.

We are all being played. But your OK with being played because your side has its foot on the throttle.

Hopefully we're ok because SOME side has the foot on the brakes, or at least dragging an anchor against the tide.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I'm curious if the left in here believe that EVERYONE who incited violence at the riots and encouraged breaching the capitol building should be jailed?

Actually we believe that anyone supporting, or even thinks favorably of such acts, even today, should be jailed until they change their tune. No due process necessary.

Does that satisfy you, since that's what you already think is true?

You should know that I'm kidding you, being utterly ridiculous. I'm just saying what you already think.

You have no clue what I believe is true. I have questions about the why's and who's. There were many very visible and aggressive
participants, that are not and have not been charged with anything.

The easy answer you will probably give, is I believe its a conspiracy. I don't. I believe we are being shown the events to create a certain narrative.

Searching for the truth isn't partisan.

Well, I partially agree with you, especially "searching for truth isn't partisan".

I think it's much like the other riots in that the law can't catch all who commit crime. They got many high profile re 1/6. The ultimate "catch" is Trump. The message that will send is clear.

In the above post I was trying to say what I understood you to say already in other words.

I said it in a way so hopefully you could see how ridiculous it is. My only "clue" as to what you think and believe is within your posts herein. I try to not interpolate that too far.

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There were many very visible and aggressive
participants, that are not and have not been charged with anything.

Yes, correct.

Many of those are politicians. Some will be charged, some will flip and testify against the real prize.

The DC part, of the docs case and the 1/6 case, is yet to unfold, and there's probably more to come in the Florida part.

As I recall, one staff member has been indicted.