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You say you don't like Trump's personality or character, then repeat his lies as if they were facts. There is no grand conspiracy by government agencies to get Trump. The judicial process isn't corrupt just because one of your heroes is indicted. Where is your proof? What evidence have you seen that the grand jury missed? Trump is entitled to a presumption of innocence, but just suppose he's guilty. Would you really feel better about our nation if he's allowed to be above the law? I wouldn't. I'm tired of hearing Trumpies try to excuse their hero's actions with "what about Hillary?" No matter what Hillary did, if Trump committed a crime, he should pay--just like you or me. If you ever get pulled over for speeding, why don't you see if you can be excused by saying to the officer, "You didn't pull over those other drivers who were speeding. Why pick on me?" See if that gets you off. | |||
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Roland I completely understand your point, I have always said Trump is not above the law. Just bring on the trial and prove he did something and stop talking about it. However anyone with a brain would wonder what is the differences with what Hillary and Biden did with documents different than Trump | |||
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Last night all news outlets were reporting on the indictment, but I couldn't find anything on YouTube from FOX. Then I finally found this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYNrlb5QvhA It was good for a laugh. Giving full voice to Trump's bullshit and trying to divert attention to Hillary and Hunter. Matthew Whitaker is a joke, and basically has been Trump's attack dog for many years. Just another MAGA whore. (For about the last five years Whitaker and Trump couldn't even figure out if they knew each other. They couldn't keep their lies straight. Trump repeatedly stated on November 9, 2018; "I don't know Matt Whitaker", contradicting remarks a month prior on Fox & Friends when Trump said, "I can tell you Matt Whitaker's a great guy. I mean, I know Matt Whitaker".) Trump is getting everything he has earned. I don't think he will receive any jail time, but he has earned that too. Can't wait for the indictment for Jan. 6th, and then the one from Georgia for trying to "find" votes. America just keeps getting greater in my view as we drain the Trump swamp. A great day for America. | |||
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Here's an article with a video therein which gives a lot of perspective and history of Trump's path to indictment. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...df22733066836e&ei=58 This is rich since there are at least two more probable indictments. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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How many times has trump changed his story? “I don’t have any documents” “I declassified documents telepathically” “I only kept empty folders” “I have a right to keep documents” You trump humpers need to pull your heads out of your asses. This is your disgusting religion. You interpret your dipshit messiah’s words when he is still alive. Anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of your pig god hates America, maybe, in spite of all your mental gymnastics and diarrhea of the mouth, trump is a sack of shit who tried to overthrow the government. It looks pretty damned likely. | |||
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The difference is the amount of documents, type of documents, cooperation, and intent. These things have been explained. Some folks choose to ignore the distinctions. | |||
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That's laughable, I guess you haven't been reading the reporting on this. Shit, trump has already admitted the predicate offense. He took the documents. I guess if anybody is buying his bullshit that he declassified all of them in his mind, he may have a defense but I doubt it. The only issue that I see is whether or not the documents he stole contain truly sensitive national defense information. Nobody but trump, trump's lawyers, the FBI and the DOJ know the answer to that one. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Maybe we will eventually know what he intended to do with these documents and if they were all recovered. It's been reported that he showed some of them to whomever - people without the required clearance. Did he steal them for his ego, to brag, or to coerce someone or govt later, or blackmail, or leverage, or all the above and more? Knowing Trump, his intentions certainly weren't good nor in the National interests. It all looks like an intentional breech of national security. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Anybody with a brain has seen and understands the difference already. It's not rocket science. | |||
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https://twitter.com/SenWhiteho...on%5Es1_c10&ref_url= Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Alright, I am going to speculate based on how President Trumps has conducted his pre-presidency, his presidency, and post presidency. He took them because he does not ask people who are professional what he can or cannot do. He has been the “Boss” all his life and does not appreciate no. He took them because it made him feel big and important to have them. By take them, I mean remove them to Mar a Lago, and refuse to return. Here is what no one seems to grasp. The Ex President was asked to return, he choice not to, he was subpoenaed to return, he does not fight the subpoena but lies, documents are moved to keep from being discovered, and a search warrant supported now by the Appellate Court is issued, and all documents were not provided. Look at who all comes in and out of Mar A Lago that we know about. Look at how President Trump likes to surround himself with people he thinks enhances him. Those documents bring there are exposed to whoever he trots through there. He has placed us, all of us, at risk again. Assuming the above is true which are what trials are for. | |||
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https://twitter.com/OhRick4/st...on%5Es1_c10&ref_url= Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Ok Wymp, I am not saying that Trump is innocent, and the trial will give us answers. I have not heard, and somebody may have, an explanation of why Biden had all of his documents. It would seem to me my curiosity is not a crazy thought | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6db608b4820b84&ei=54 Nixon Historian Says New Donald Trump Indictment Boils Down To 1 Thing Story by Lee Moran • 1h ago Donald Trump “understood that he got power when he was elected, but didn’t understand that he had obligations,” presidential historian Timothy Naftali said Friday of Trump’s indictment for mishandling classified documents after leaving the White House. “We live in a Constitutional democracy. Everybody, including the president, is bound by the Constitution and there are limits to their power,” Naftali, the former director of the Richard Nixon presidential library, told “CNN This Morning.” “Trump not only had a hard time with limits, he didn’t respect them,” Naftali added. “And this is a case where he was told repeatedly that there were limits on his ability to keep materials and he said, ‘I don’t care.’” Trump, charged with seven counts, is set to appear in court in Miami on Tuesday. (See video in the article) Also: https://www.huffpost.com/entry...cc94e4b027d92f8bee3a 'Absolutely Historic': Legal Experts Explain Stakes In Donald Trump Indictment Attorneys, prosecutors and legal analysts spelled out the significance of the charges against the former president involving classified documents. =============================================== There is an associated issue: How many records did Trump destroy, especially to cover his actions? https://www.washingtonpost.com...p-ripping-documents/ ‘He never stopped ripping things up’: Inside Trump’s relentless document destruction habits Trump’s shredding of paper in the White House was far more widespread and indiscriminate than previously known and — despite multiple admonishments — extended throughout his presidency. https://www.washingtonpost.com...ripped-up-documents/ Some records sent to Jan. 6 committee were torn up, taped back together — mirroring a Trump habit The National Archives confirmed Trump’s unusual habit of ripping up documents, which forced aides to attempt to piece them back together in order to comply with the Presidential Records Act. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Yes, the reality is that he had the opportunity to return the documents when asked by the National Archives. Had he done so, that probably would have been the end of it. Instead, he acted the ass, as usual, and now he's looking at potentially going to prison. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Military expert says Trump tweet from GOP's Clay Higgins is call for 'civil war' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...43acd6ff30133e&ei=12 The Louisiana Republican tweeted out a seemingly inscrutable message Thursday after the former president confirmed he had been indicted in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case, but award-winning journalist and author Jeff Sharlet saw the message as a violent threat. "President Trump said he has 'been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM,'" Higgins tweeted. "This is a perimeter probe from the oppressors. Hold. rPOTUS has this. Buckle up. 1/50K know your bridges. Rock steady calm. That is all." ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...43acd6ff30133e&ei=65 The charges mount, but Trump’s not worried. He’s just the guy to make jail great again Opinion by Marina Hyde • 3h ago anything that would represent a catastrophic setback for any other human being is exactly what Trump would have wanted. By this metric, his indictment on federal charges for the first time, including under the Espionage Act, is an absolute gift and a triumph. He’ll use it to pull in fundraising, it’ll rally his base, it’ll make every Republican beta – which is to say, every Republican – feel they have to swear loyalty to him. Furthermore, it’s already got him right where he most loves to be: with everyone talking about him. And these are all reasonable points – or at least reasonable in a through-the-looking-glass way, given that to many outside observers the United States passed reason two or three election cycles ago. If only they could invade themselves to bring democracy. Even so, it must be said the Espionage Act is one of the not-great laws to allegedly break, rather like obstruction of justice, of which Trump also stands accused. In terms of where Trump himself is, it’s complicated. He’s the hot favourite for the Republican nomination, and also the defendant or potential defendant in a number of ongoing legal actions. There simply isn’t the space to recap all of them, but the standouts are the charges of hush-money payments to Stormy Daniels, on which he has already been indicted by Manhattan state prosecutors, and the federal criminal investigation into his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results, which remains in train and for which Smith is also the special counsel. Speaking of McCarthys, finally, the house speaker, Kevin McCarthy, reacted to news of the Trump indictment in that hyper-partisan, truth-free way that has become so commonplace that it should surely redefine “McCarthyism” for our own era. Having begun with a false claim (that Joe Biden indicted Trump), Kevin sought to delegitimise a legitimate process before kowtowing to Trump in entirely abject style. Even Trump’s not-very-arch rival for the Republican nomination, Ron DeSantis, was too weak to do anything other than obediently defend Trump – while elsewhere, a new poll found that 43% of Republicans believed Trump should be allowed to serve again even if he were convicted of a felony. However positive some may feel about the charges, the whole picture is – how to put this? – no oil painting. Ultimately, Trump will be easier to deal with than the culture he has created. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I bet the US Marshall's at the federal court house in Miami are going to have a busy weekend getting ready for J6-type trumptards. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Probably. Wonder how many undercover feds will be there? Perhaps Ray Epps can make a curtain call. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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That culture I hate to say it was already here. He was just the vessel they went mainstream. | |||
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Are you implying the lie Jan 6 insurrectionist were made up of some percentage of planted Gov agents or BLM/Antifa? | |||
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At least one major difference is that Biden (apparently) called the feds saying he'd found some docs and to come pick them up. As opposed to Trump ... what's documents, I don't have any ... ok I do but I declassified them ... | |||
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You are correct Nute, he called after Trump was raided | |||
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Biden Lawyers find classified documents. So, since when do we allow "Biden's Lawyers" to look for and find classified documents? To be clear. If Trump is found guilty, great. I can get behind that. However, the left will always defend "their guy" as innocent for the exact same thing that anyone with an R behind their name is indicated for. https://apnews.com/article/bid...e8cb5f31c85205df3dc0 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Or documents found by the FBI at Penn Center. Have you looked into the funding behind the Penn Center? China good...Trump bad. I simply want a level playing field. Put Trump in Jail. But make his cell mate Biden and HRC. Political Party solidarity will end this Republic. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/b...h-penn-biden-center/ Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I say if the facts support that all engaged in equivalent behavior, lock all the bastards up, Trump, Clinton, Biden and Pence. That said, at this point none of us know how the underlying facts in each case stack up against one another. However, I have little problem envisioning the scenario that, given Trump's well-established approach to dealing with issues, infantile attitude and general predilections, of all four situations his facts may well be the most egregious. Mike | |||
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I agree with your assessment of Trump. However, when the examples I cite are largely ignored by the DOJ, what other conclusion can be drawn? It's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that there is a protected political class. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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HRC was not ignored. That investigation went a long way in costing her the Presidency. President Biden’s is not being ignored. The two for the time being do not appear equivalent. You just do not like the explanation which is based in law. Comey explained this to us before it is volume, type, cooperation, and intent that the DOJ looks at guided by case law on those guide post. Would you please clarify your position on undercover agents being present from above? | |||
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I take it then, based on your assessment, that you are intimately familiar with the facts of each case and how the law applies in each case. Please share with us your detailed assessment. Or are you just saying that because each case involved government documents that that alone in some way suffices to suggest that each case is identical and should be handled and prosecuted the same? Intuition based on an utterly incomplete understanding of all the facts and the law applied to those facts is now sufficient to declare the process corrupt? I really think not. Mike | |||
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Mike, you know better than that. My assessment is based on Russia, Russia, Russia, Clapper, Brennan, HRC and all her indiscretions. Who is it that said, Show me a man, I'll find you the crime? Thats what's at work here. I'll say again, you won't address it because you're being intellectually lazy. I want all high crimes by our elected leaders prosecuted and thrown in Jail if thats what the outcome is. But I want it enforced equally under the laws of this country. Why wasn't HRC indicted? Why was Bill Clinton on a private plane with Loretta Lynch on that Phoenix Tarmac? Comey found crimes. he arbitrarily and independently decided it wasn't worth pursuing. That is not the FBI's job. Thats what the DOJ does. 33,000 emails that were under subpoena were intentionally destroyed, along with multiple devices. If that isn't obstruction of justice, I don't know what is. Again...PUT TRUMP IN JAIL. but everyone else as well. You and the rest of the highly partisan left in here will never want their guys even investigated, much less indicted. Can you in ALL honesty say that the FBI and the CIA weren't after Trump? The highest levels had what they called insurance policies to see Trump got removed. Why are there no consequences to Russia, Russia, Russia for those involved? Easy answer, they are part of the politically protected class of the involved three letter agencies. PUT TRUMP IN JAIL.. Why no swat teams or whatever when they were at Biden's house? Why was CNN there? ask yourself, is Trumps indictment and the manner in which he's been pursued by the law, worth losing America and equal justice under the law? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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The difference Steve between your position and mine is that I acknowledge that I (we) have a superficial and incomplete understanding of the facts in all four cases and with a wholely inadequate understanding of the facts in all four cases, cannot begin to apply the law to those cases. Nor am I prepared to concede that the investigations into the other three cases have been insufficiently or incompletely done since I know nothing about those investigations. You on the other hand believe that based on the handful of facts that are publicly known in each case that those facts establish that the cases are pari passu with Trump's case and Trump is getting the short end of the stick. You also are apparently prepared to accept that the investigations into the other matters were insufficiently or incompletely done when there is no way you could know the details of the investigatory process. Not sure exactly how you can divine all the foregoing without all the facts and without an understanding of the law applied to the facts, but I guess that is your prerogative. Mike | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGtHFDAi45A Trump indictment: Former president faces 37 criminal counts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im5BaliEJ_M Indictment unsealed against former President Trump https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...-documents-rcna88546 Trump aide Walt Nauta also indicted in classified documents case Trump announced a new legal team, and Aileen Cannon was assigned to oversee the case initially. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...jan-6-fedsurrection/ https://twitter.com/simonateba.../1659221131906240513 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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A) Are you implying the violence of Jan 6 was a Government action? If yes to B) you are off the reservation. Oh Wait, you are saying that bc the article says on January 6 but it looks like it is close to 100 operatives leading the charge on the US Capitol on January 6, 2021. This is a lie. The only people who led the Charge were Alt Rigjt, MAGA nut jobs as has been proven in Open Court. There is no sense in engaging a conspiracy theorist. | |||
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Good . . . sounds like the FBI was doing their job. I wish they had not been so reticent in using their sidearms though, perhaps fewer Capitol policemen would have been assaulted and injured. Mike | |||
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I'm not inferring anything. I am an independent thinker and make my mind up based on what I see, read and hear. If you believe the FBI agent being interviewed is a liar, then I don't know what to say. Critical thinking makes me daily contemplate my own beliefs. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Your site says the Government Agents led the Charge on the Capital. Conspiracy disguised as Independent Thinking is just foolishness. We know who led the Charge in Jan 6. They are Convicted Felons. That was doing the wishes of a defeated Chief Executive. Critical Thinking Apparently means ignore over 20 felony cases that involve Jan 6 and the Findings of the Jan 6 Committee. It also ignores President Trump’s oem words leading up and during Jan 6. Sorry, the proposition that “Evil Government” to make President Trump look bad led the Jan 6 attack is a lie. Those who advance it are liars or fools. | |||
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I'm glad you mentioned the super credible J6 committee. It was a professionally produced, made for TV BS committee with only Democrats, Liz Chenny and Adam Kinzinger. They both Hate trump almost to an clinical point. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...20New%20York%20Times But you knew that. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Yeah, we just heard a highly respected Conservative Fed Judge tell us how President Trump’s post took was against the Constitution, and the Full GA phone call. We also got to hear sworn testimony of President Trump musing to hang the VP was probably the right idea. Tell me about that critical thinking again. The only BS is your article and position. | |||
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If you care to read my words and not assign your assumptions to them, You'd see I'm really not even defending Trump. I'm questioning our justice systems methods and aggressiveness towards one political ideology. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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