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S. Ct., rules a Federal Court injunctions only apply to the parties that are before the bar, and not to like persons so situated but not a party. This has strong ramifications. For example, a Federal Judge in KY’s Western District enjoined prosecutors across the state, even those outside the W. District, from enforcing a particular statute that criminalizes online presence by sex offenders who do not share their full identity on line. Now, is such an injunction within the a fed district courts power as it enjoins prosecutions against individuals who are not a party in to that challenge? Should a court adjudicate a matter that is enjoined in another district. Stripping folks of their citizenship or sending them to prison because the court decides an injunction is incorrect, buy in another the matter is enjoined but a dispositive adjudication has not been reached through the courts. That is going to happen now in this matter. Does the holding that only injunctions can be applied to parties only apply when the Federal Executive is a party? So, we are going to penalize folks who are positioned to lose citizenship who cannot join or obtain counsel. This is poor decision for the reasons stated above, but it is the Supreme Court’s to make. It is also very judicially active that fake conservatives will cheer. The underlying issue whether the President has the authority to void controlling S. Ct., precedent concerning application of the 14th Amendment remains unresolved and open. | ||
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Wow. Is it even possible that this SCOTUS is going to ignore decades of almost universal legal agreement, both in the courts and in terms of scholarly commentary, regarding birthright citizenship? This court seems quite deferential to almost anything the trump administration dreams up. | |||
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Great news! Its very possible that now the actual intent of the 14th amendment will be followed! The Constitution matters! | |||
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14th the way it is applied nowadays is preposterous and it goes against any normal way of thinking and guaranteed it was not meant that way Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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I’m of two minds. I get your argument, but something needed to change with regards to this institutional method of tying up everything any time a relatively low level justice felt that a reasonable argument was made. It’s going to affect everyone. In a way, good. Maybe the legislative branch will start to reclaim its position and start writing laws that are better, and we stop ruling by presidential decree (aka executive order) and judicial fiat in the form of injunctions. I do see potential for abuse. Sure. I also see the system has been abused for years. I had elephant and lion trophies sitting overseas for years due to ARA suits and injunctions. The system wasn’t working very well before. | |||
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If we are going to wail and pull our hair over the 14th.... are you aware that the 14th did NOT apply to American Indians at implementation? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I did not Jeff Interesting I assume they were here so it was omitted by not thinking? Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Here's more on the subject https://constitutioncenter.org...ited-states-citizens opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Like you would fucking know, you dumbass.  | |||
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Jeff. Are you really arguing that since we fucked the Indians, it's OK to fuck everybody else? We stole their land. It's impossible to argue anything else. We fucked them over and exterminated them through disease and conquest and we stole the land they had lived on for generations. All good? Truly? | |||
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Why on earth do the Republicans have to constantly be about hate, exclusion, racism, etc etc etc. What's the problem with embracing immigrants and other folks who want to be part of and about our country? Can even one of you offer an explanation or rationale? You're all wrong. And, time will prove it. | |||
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yeah, THAT's what you take from it? We didn't include the indians because, regards of them being born within the US, they were members of the indian NATIONS -- which, of course, meant they were citizens of there nations ... if you hop on 35e and drive north about 3 hours, you'll still see the same, TODAY -- the Indian Citizenship act was meant to allow those the were not Americans to become Americans - you can't be this thick ... On June 2, 1924, President Calvin Coolidge signed into law the Indian Citizenship Act, which marked the end of a long debate and struggle, at a federal level, over full birthright citizenship for American Indians. The act read that “all noncitizen Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States be, and they are hereby, declared to be citizens of the United States: Provided that the granting of such citizenship shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or other property.” You might take it as an f*'em over, which is strange, I take it as "the 14th wasn't meant to cover EVERYONE who happened to be birthed within the boundaries of the US - and so did congress, the american people, and cooledge and they acted to specify that, while the 14th DID NOT apply to ALL persons, there was a reason to add-on to it -- plain as mud, clear as spring water -- or, let me play the liberal word game ... MIKE - DO YOU NOT SUPPORT INDIANS AS AMERICANS, YOU FACIST SCUMBAG .. yeah, idk why libbies play this stupid game - it did zero for me opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yeah, sorry my friend. Don't even know how to respond to this gibberish. Tells me all I need to know about any sort of reasonable intelligible response. You don't have one. | |||
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First I corrected your foul language, then addressed your crazy ideas several ways. With links. You'll be okay opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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they are voming with the back door and trump is telling what he will do when in the same time illegals are needed in the farms and hotel restaurants go figure ,,, kafka would have love meeting and seeing what trump is doing ... | |||
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The two of us agree my very removed position leaves me more than a little ignorant I hope? So from my seat it looks like immigration was deeply broken. Asylum, Anchor Babies and Migrants seemed to be metaphorically getting away with murder and the illegal trafficking of human, drug and other contraband seemed to flourish. I snicker a bit when I read about repatriation flights to El Salvador and thought the flights to Libya were outloud funny. Didn't I read something about Chinese illegals flying to Ecuador orsomething like that in order to be muled across the American southern border?  How nuts can we get? Mike, you liked Trumps bombing Iran legalities side. You know what? I've got fentanyl right here in rural AK killing my friends and neighbors and if Trump packing a few planes full of alleged suspects and having them disembark at the Falklands makes even the smallest of dents in the trade I'm for it. | |||
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That is the problem alleged when the S. Ct., this Court has said they are entitled to due process. | |||
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"You know what? I've got fentanyl right here in rural AK killing my friends and neighbors and if Trump packing a few planes full of alleged suspects and having them disembark at the Falklands makes even the smallest of dents in the trade I'm for it." For the 10 billionth time, there is no drug problem without a market. Maybe put a little of that pressure on your "friends & neighbors". | |||
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Mike, why do you always make immigration about hate? I do not see a problem with knowing who is coming into the country. We should know who they are, they should have proper work ID, not stolen from someone else, or fake. They should be treated fairly, proper pay, housing. Not forced into sex work. Not taken advantage of by employers. I dont see how the liberals could be against that? | |||
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that has been tried but it is too much of a leftist version in a free market ... | |||
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And its so obvious that I shouldn't have to say it, if there was no supply there'd be no demand. If it's impossible to steal i can't steal it. If it's impossible to swallow or inject, I can't swallow or inject it. If it's to heavy to carry i can't carry it. If its laying around on our streets and sidewalks by the hundred of tons, loose, un accounted for and un supervised , odds are good some are gonna pocket it and wander off. That's the reality today. Mebbe try something new. | |||
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And you call,me stupid? Really? Every election ti!E we hear about the poor DACA kids.......the democrats had 8 years under Obama and 4 years under goofy joe.... Nothing done....but dems will roll em out again during election time.... Dems want those illegals let in something fierce until they are sent to their neighbor hoods! Remember the outrage on Martha's vinyard? All you want is cheap labor and a higher head count in sanctuary states for congressional representation. How many have you taken in???? You think me stupid? I know you are despicable. | |||
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Jim, seriously, my friend, get a grip -- without political pawns and "we hate trump" the dems don't have a leg to stand on -- but they think gruesome is their great white hope to take back the white house .. there's a point where you HAVE to have pity on the disabled, brother .. it's all they have some of even think the rule of law is "hate and exclusion" Though, let's be honest, MM is an honest dems - he is principled and intelligent, we just disagree on the math - to a libertarian or GOP, 2+2=4, regardless of external circumstance - dems, not so much opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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