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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The one that Trump and RFK Jr are quoting.

I haven’t seen it.

If it’s made up, ok.

But this sounds like grounds to do a bigger study.

Heck, the lawyers got silicone implants banned with less.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’m surprised he found the time, what with solving eight or ten wars in the last couple of weeks.
Shit, I didn’t even know Cambodia was at war with Armenia, did you?

I guess when you’re bucking for a Peace Prize as hard as he is, the odd fabrication might be in order. Ok. Ok. A lot of fabrication.

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Originally posted by BushPeter:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Which new study?

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

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I haven’t seen the one that RFK and Trump are quoting, either.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I told them to avoid taking anything if at all possible, but that Tylenol was the least likely to cause issues that we know of.

As to other studies, I haven’t seen any reputable ones that associate autism with anything. I haven’t seen the one that RFK and Trump are quoting, either.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Doc, you got me there. MY bad. Not paying attention.

so, are there similar studies that support trump's statements about Tylenol?

Or not?

Do you tell your pregnant patients not to take Tylenol? I mean...before yesterday? I'm just a dumb lawyer. It seems like all the published studies don't support what trump and his anti-vax HHS secretary are advancing.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

Ann, please, the 2,400 plus participant study, that controlled for genetics, age of parents, was on 2024.

Please. I am begging you. Don’t be this mark.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Never ceases to astonish me how willing the cult members are to accept whatever the cult leader says is true even when there is zero statistical or scientific evidence to support it.

Literally every doctor and accredited medical association has come out and said that there is no support for trump's assertions in relation to Tylenol.

Let's remember: this is the guy who suggested injecting bleach or disinfectant to fight COVID or to irradiate your body with UV light as a cure.

He's a fucking idiot. Why on earth would anybody take medical advice from this ass-clown versus their physician?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
That study does not conclude causation, it shows an association. Correlation and causation are not the same.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Jpshua, they are posting photos and video all over social media doing such. Also, I never said anything about not including genetics, age or anything else. A lot of people don't eat healthy either, that too might be a problem. I am sure there are many possibilities. What I am commenting on is that there are pregnant women indeed downing tylenol to, I reckon, prove some point? So study them, their results.

I think most doctors warn prenatal patients to use as few medications as possible, no rec drugs, weed, alcohol, eat healthy, take vitamins, etc as much as possible. I am also not convinced overloading a baby's immune system with multi immuno injections at once is a good thing. Why not space them out such as one at a time?

Caution is better in my book.

Also, do you feel 2500 people quantify a sound source of data? Seems very limited to me.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

Ann, please, the 2,400 plus participant study, that controlled for genetics, age of parents, was on 2024.

Please. I am begging you. Don’t be this mark.

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Originally posted by Huvius:
There are peer reviewed published studies all over the place regarding prenatal acetaminophen exposure and behavioral problems.
Just need to go look.
Some correlative and some not - read them and take your pick I guess…

There are too many variables and too wide a spectrum of diagnosis to ever really know with certainty what are the true causes of Autism.

The notion that the science is ever settled is a mistake.
There are studies that correlate damn near anything to autism - drug use, diet, family history, environment, even some that link higher socioeconomic status to a higher prevalence.
Then, as expected, subsequent studies seem to show the opposite and then some confirm the earlier findings.

So, what can we glean from all of this?

In other news…
One pregnant woman downing Tylenol in defiance to Trump now on a ventilator and in liver failure.
That can’t be good for the baby…

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Medical science is uniform in rejecting the idea that there is any reliable scientific or medical evidence that Tylenol causes autism.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Medical science is uniform in rejecting the idea that there is any reliable scientific or medical evidence that Tylenol causes autism.

No, it isn’t.

Furthermore, I don’t give a shit what Trump says nearly as much as you do.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
No use talking to Mitchell.
There is not uniform opinion like Mitchell states, if so there would not be studies that point differently.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Never ceases to astonish me how willing the cult members are to accept whatever the cult leader says is true even when there is zero statistical or scientific evidence to support it.

Literally every doctor and accredited medical association has come out and said that there is no support for trump's assertions in relation to Tylenol.

Let's remember: this is the guy who suggested injecting bleach or disinfectant to fight COVID or to irradiate your body with UV light as a cure.

He's a fucking idiot. Why on earth would anybody take medical advice from this ass-clown versus their physician?

He NEVER offers evidence for anything that he says, esp. when it's accusatory in nature.