Tylenol. He and his stooge of an HHS secretary, RFK, Jr. have opined, against the overwhelming weight of scientific and medical research that Tylenol causes autism.

We'll set aside the fact that virtually every other country, scientific institution, physicians organizations, etc etc etc disagree with him:

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/...racetamol-rcna233133


And we'll also ignore the fact that he is so fucking stupid that he cannot even pronounce the word "acetaminophen".

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1970230078828105984

I’m surprised he found the time, what with solving eight or ten wars in the last couple of weeks.
Shit, I didn’t even know Cambodia was at war with Armenia, did you?

I guess when you’re bucking for a Peace Prize as hard as he is, the odd fabrication might be in order. Ok. Ok. A lot of fabrication.

Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

There are NO large scale studies showing Tylenol as a causative agent for autism. There is only Trump’s and RFK’s overactive imagination.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Which new study?

The one that Trump and RFK Jr are quoting.

I haven’t seen it.

If it’s made up, ok.

But this sounds like grounds to do a bigger study.

Heck, the lawyers got silicone implants banned with less.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
The one that Trump and RFK Jr are quoting.

I haven’t seen it.

If it’s made up, ok.

But this sounds like grounds to do a bigger study.

Heck, the lawyers got silicone implants banned with less.

Must be a study to be published in the Journal of Homeopathic Medicine…

Wasn't something mentioned in the 0biden admin about caution with acetaminophen for pregnant women? I seem to recall something was.

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’m surprised he found the time, what with solving eight or ten wars in the last couple of weeks.
Shit, I didn’t even know Cambodia was at war with Armenia, did you?

I guess when you’re bucking for a Peace Prize as hard as he is, the odd fabrication might be in order. Ok. Ok. A lot of fabrication.

If you want to be known as a slayer of dragons, the first thing you need is a dragon, real or conjured.

quote:

Originally posted by BushPeter:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Which new study?

They are referencing the one referenced in the article below.
https://www.politico.com/news/...-researcher-00575788

Here is a whole study.

https://ehjournal.biomedcentra...2940-025-01208-0.pdf

Here is a rebutted of the study detailing why it is not best methodology to arrive at its conclusions.

https://www.managedhealthcaree...not-the-best-science


There was a very large study of nearly 2,500 participants done a couple of years back. It concluded no causation. However, I’m dtill looking for it. Here it is.


https://jamanetwork.com/journa.../fullarticle/2817406


Just for good measure:

In a statement, Alycia Halladay, Ph.D., chief science officer at the Autism Science Foundation, said, “It is disingenuous and misleading to boil autism’s causes down to one simple thing. We know that autism is incredibly complicated, and we need to move away from studies that simplify it down to one exposure without any other considerations.” Notwithstanding all of the attention on acetaminophen, Kennedy said at today's press conference that autism is a complex disorder with a "multifactorial etiology." Kennedy said the potential link between autism and vaccines had been "actively suppressed" and that it would take time to investigate a vaccine-autism link

The various medical associations are lined up in unison staying Trump is full of shit. What a shock…. He can’t even pronounce acetaminophen, much less expound on possible side effects. I guess he got his talking points from Professor brain worm.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Doc, you got me there. MY bad. Not paying attention.

so, are there similar studies that support trump's statements about Tylenol?

Or not?

Do you tell your pregnant patients not to take Tylenol? I mean...before yesterday? I'm just a dumb lawyer. It seems like all the published studies don't support what trump and his anti-vax HHS secretary are advancing.

I told them to avoid taking anything if at all possible, but that Tylenol was the least likely to cause issues that we know of.

As to other studies, I haven’t seen any reputable ones that associate autism with anything. I haven’t seen the one that RFK and Trump are quoting, either.

quote:

I haven’t seen the one that RFK and Trump are quoting, either.

They are naming things up as they go.

Anything to distract from the Epstein files!

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
I told them to avoid taking anything if at all possible, but that Tylenol was the least likely to cause issues that we know of.

As to other studies, I haven’t seen any reputable ones that associate autism with anything. I haven’t seen the one that RFK and Trump are quoting, either.

I am aware of an autistic child who was born very premature by C-section because of pre-eclampsia.
Spent the first six months lying on back, staring face-up at ceiling.
Tylenol? Hmmm...probably not this one.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Somebody ought to check his portfolio for stock in the manufacturers of Aleve and Advil.

Except those are known to cause issues in pregnancy.

In essence, the old line I got in residency re OB remains the case- if at all possible, don’t take any drug while pregnant.

Acetaminophen is considered category A for pregnant women. No evidence of problems. That may change with this new study.

I’d consider the risk of an untreated fever and then this apparent risk of increased autism in those cases. It’s certainly not 100% causative, but any risk is worth avoiding the med for minor issues, bigger issues make it worth considering.

Note this wasn’t the smoking gun thimorosol connection the anti vax types were convinced was coming.

Doc, you got me there. MY bad. Not paying attention.

so, are there similar studies that support trump's statements about Tylenol?

Or not?

Do you tell your pregnant patients not to take Tylenol? I mean...before yesterday? I'm just a dumb lawyer. It seems like all the published studies don't support what trump and his anti-vax HHS secretary are advancing.

The best study which o posted above finds no causation.

The study Trump is Trump getting did not take into account genetics.

Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

Ann, please, the 2,400 plus participant study, that controlled for genetics, age of parents, was on 2024.

Please. I am begging you. Don’t be this mark.

https://x.com/tarabull808/stat...843161481081245?s=46

This^^^is how crazy liberal women are.

Somehow I do not think it will be a problem

Jpshua, they are posting photos and video all over social media doing such. Also, I never said anything about not including genetics, age or anything else. A lot of people don't eat healthy either, that too might be a problem. I am sure there are many possibilities. What I am commenting on is that there are pregnant women indeed downing tylenol to, I reckon, prove some point? So study them, their results.

I think most doctors warn prenatal patients to use as few medications as possible, no rec drugs, weed, alcohol, eat healthy, take vitamins, etc as much as possible. I am also not convinced overloading a baby's immune system with multi immuno injections at once is a good thing. Why not space them out such as one at a time?

Caution is better in my book.

Also, do you feel 2500 people quantify a sound source of data? Seems very limited to me.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

Ann, please, the 2,400 plus participant study, that controlled for genetics, age of parents, was on 2024.

Please. I am begging you. Don’t be this mark.

Never ceases to astonish me how willing the cult members are to accept whatever the cult leader says is true even when there is zero statistical or scientific evidence to support it.

Literally every doctor and accredited medical association has come out and said that there is no support for trump's assertions in relation to Tylenol.

Let's remember: this is the guy who suggested injecting bleach or disinfectant to fight COVID or to irradiate your body with UV light as a cure.

He's a fucking idiot. Why on earth would anybody take medical advice from this ass-clown versus their physician?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Never ceases to astonish me how willing the cult members are to accept whatever the cult leader says is true even when there is zero statistical or scientific evidence to support it.

Literally every doctor and accredited medical association has come out and said that there is no support for trump's assertions in relation to Tylenol.

Let's remember: this is the guy who suggested injecting bleach or disinfectant to fight COVID or to irradiate your body with UV light as a cure.

He's a fucking idiot. Why on earth would anybody take medical advice from this ass-clown versus their physician?

He NEVER offers evidence for anything that he says, esp. when it's accusatory in nature.

Not a new conclusion.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/05...v0E-I8ThFZj2JhHAKd7A

That study does not conclude causation, it shows an association. Correlation and causation are not the same.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
That study does not conclude causation, it shows an association. Correlation and causation are not the same.

Only 15% of smokers develop lung cancer and 15% of lung cancer patients never smoked.
Is smoking correlative or causative?

The fact that acetaminophen is identified by John’s Hopkins no less, as a correlative factor in kids with ADHD and autism is worth noting.
These pregnant women taking unnecessary doses of Tylenol may indeed help to add to the data.

May being the key word. We know fever during pregnancy can cause all sorts of problems, acetaminophen is used to treat fever.


This is just more of the same, undermine science, the media, the courts... All part of the plan.

BREAKING: TYLENOL RESEARCHERS FIND DISTURBING LINK BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND JEFFREY EPSTEIN

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Jpshua, they are posting photos and video all over social media doing such. Also, I never said anything about not including genetics, age or anything else. A lot of people don't eat healthy either, that too might be a problem. I am sure there are many possibilities. What I am commenting on is that there are pregnant women indeed downing tylenol to, I reckon, prove some point? So study them, their results.

I think most doctors warn prenatal patients to use as few medications as possible, no rec drugs, weed, alcohol, eat healthy, take vitamins, etc as much as possible. I am also not convinced overloading a baby's immune system with multi immuno injections at once is a good thing. Why not space them out such as one at a time?

Caution is better in my book.

Also, do you feel 2500 people quantify a sound source of data? Seems very limited to me.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, there will soon be a lot of new data. Incredibly there is a trend with pregnant liberals now taking loads of tylenol to prove trump wrong. Hey, good for them. Perfect study group.

Really? A trend has developed?

Since yesterday?

Ann, please, the 2,400 plus participant study, that controlled for genetics, age of parents, was on 2024.

Please. I am begging you. Don’t be this mark.

Ann, if I were TJ chug Tylenol I would be killing my liver.

I watched. They are not. Taking a Tylenol or two a month is not going to do anything.

It is amazing how well Women cdm manage their own health when Texas Horse Doctors stay out of it. Too bad Texas gives more power to the Trumps and horse doctors than women.

This is pure foolishness designed to distract you to. The mess Team has made the CDC.

If you are pregnant and have a fever, take the Tylenol.

Read the real study I province earlier. Conor’s methodologies. One has much more data, and better practice. It ain’t the one Trumo is citing.

Look, Joshua. There have been studies and like just about everything that's been studied, there are opposing or even conflicting results. These links are to what look to me like reliable sources. So just be cautious is my thought if a woman is pregnant when faced with a headache, etc.

You need to look further into your claim that people are not being reckless with their TDS. Watch the video link I have put at the bottom here. This is heartbreaking.


Mount Sinai Study Supports Evidence That Prenatal Acetaminophen Use May Be Linked to Increased Risk of Autism and ADHD

TYLENOL® @tylenol · Feb 15, 2017 Sometimes the best headache relief is getting outside. After all, brisk air is still fresh air. This Post was deleted by the Post author. Learn more TYLENOL® @tylenol We actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant. Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today. 1:31 PM · Mar 7, 2017

Taking Tylenol during pregnancy associated with elevated risks for autism, ADHD A Johns Hopkins study analyzing umbilical cord blood samples found that newborns with the highest exposure to acetaminophen were about three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD or autism spectrum disorder in childhood

And very tragic. Seriously.

She is going to die

There are peer reviewed published studies all over the place regarding prenatal acetaminophen exposure and behavioral problems.
Just need to go look.
Some correlative and some not - read them and take your pick I guess…

There are too many variables and too wide a spectrum of diagnosis to ever really know with certainty what are the true causes of Autism.

The notion that the science is ever settled is a mistake.
There are studies that correlate damn near anything to autism - drug use, diet, family history, environment, even some that link higher socioeconomic status to a higher prevalence.
Then, as expected, subsequent studies seem to show the opposite and then some confirm the earlier findings.

So, what can we glean from all of this?

In other news…
One pregnant woman downing Tylenol in defiance to Trump now on a ventilator and in liver failure.
That can’t be good for the baby…