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Originally posted by theback40:
So your just another lawyer telling lies?
You claim you know the whole story.
Just tell us how they NG could do their job and quell the riot without basic on the ground intel.
Show me where I support Trump in this "story" of yours. I support the NG not being sent in to an unknown situation without basic intel.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Captain Timothy Nick testified under oath on Capitol Hill on Wednesday:
"First, I want to explain my role on January 6th. I was assigned as aid to camp the personal assistant to Major General William Walker, the commanding General of DC National Guard. It was my only second day on the job (!). Please focus on alleged facts found in the November 16th, 2021 Department of Defense Inspector General's multidisciplinary review into the DC National Guard response and Department of Defense's role that day."

"I can say unequivocally that the Inspector General's Review is riddled with inaccuracies, misstatements, and perhaps false flags and narratives regarding how critical Pentagon senior officials responded when our republic was under great stress (!!)."

"For instance, during a conference call at 2:31 PM with members of United States Army, US Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police Department, District of Columbia Government, and US Secret Service Uniform Division, the US Army's Lieutenant General Walter Piatt, Director of Army staff and the Army's Lieutenant General Charles Flynn, Director of Chief of Staff of Operations were on the call." Also was Colonel John Lubas, executive officer to the Secretary of the Army."

"The Army FALSELEY DENIED that General Flynn was ever on the call. This is false and material on its face. Lieutenant Flynn was on the call and even participated in discussions. The defense inspector's review also rounds language papering over the fact that Lieutenant General Piatt, Lieutenant General Flynn, while on the call discussed how they did not like the OPTICS."

"That is a direct quote, and they stated it would be in their best military advice to recommend to the Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, to deny the request from Command General William Walker to deploy the DC National Guard and aid US Capitol Police in restoring restoration of Order Liberty on Capitol Hill."

"In addition, former [Army] Secretary Ryan McCarthy claims he was on a two three 1:00 PM call and spoke on that call. This is FALSE, unless he was in the room shadowing the call and he did not speak nor identify himself."

"He was not on the call. He was en route to Washington, DC Regional office at the Federal Bureau of Investigation to support that agent's concept of operations plan for January 6th."

"He went on the claim that he called and spoke to Major General Walker at least twice, ordering the deployment of the DC National Guard. This is also FALSE. At no time did General Walker take any calls, nor did we ever hear from the secretary on any of the ongoing conference calls or the secure video teleconferencing throughout the day."

"This I know because I was with the Command General the entire time recording events throughout the day. Major General Walker told by staff officers to stand by with respect to deploying to the Capitol Hill. Only at 5:09 PM in the early evening, which I wrote down in my wheel book, was the DC Guard given an order to deploy and move to the Capitol to assist Capitol Police."

"We arrived too late. One American laid dead with other sisters and brothers injured, including federal and local law enforcement officers. We were ready and standing by. I know if we were able to deploy immediately, when General Walker made the request, the National Guard could have helped and civil disturbance and restored public order quickly."

"The Army National Guard motto was always ready, always there. The DC National Guard was ready to help and assist Capitol Police, but we were NOT ALLOWED to do our job due to paralyzed decision-making by acting Secretary of Defense,Chris Miller and Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy..."

"This led to a crisis in federal leadership at the Pentagon and delayed the DC response by 3 hours and 19 minutes."

https://x.com/kylenabecker/sta...773564997644341?s=46

Whistleblowers accuse senior Army officials of lying about National Guard response on Jan. 6

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Originally posted by theback40:
Antelelope, you miss the point.
You cant know what wa going on by watching tv.
The problem was poor placement of the DC police.
The Chief of police had her force spread out on to many fronts. She needed to hear back from where they were, and needed time to get them repositioned and out of the way. The mayor had his say in all of this too. This was all gone over in the hearings.
There are endless things to bash Trump with, he shouldnt even be able to run as far as I'm concerned. Saying that, there is no need to make up flat out lies just to add more to dump on him. It sounds like MSNBC news.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Antelelope, you miss the point.
You cant know what wa going on by watching tv.
The problem was poor placement of the DC police.
The Chief of police had her force spread out on to many fronts. She needed to hear back from where they were, and needed time to get them repositioned and out of the way. The mayor had his say in all of this too. This was all gone over in the hearings.
There are endless things to bash Trump with, he shouldnt even be able to run as far as I'm concerned. Saying that, there is no need to make up flat out lies just to add more to dump on him. It sounds like MSNBC news.

I did say it was a hint and not the whole picture. The gist is that trump did nothing to quell the riot since he was enamored at the "they're doing that for ME?" aspect.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Please Joshua…show me where I interjected “my opinion” in the above post.

I posted the words of the Army Captain whose job it was to transcribe the events of day.

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Please Joshua…show me where I interjected “my opinion” in the above post.

I posted the words of the Army Captain whose job it was to transcribe the events of day.

Ok, call it your stupid fucking head up ass beliefs.

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Originally posted by TomP:
At some point, historians will unwind some of the things that were done during his tenure, and Trump will take his place with Grant and Harding as a weak king with strong and corrupt barons.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by TomP:
At some point, historians will unwind some of the things that were done during his tenure, and Trump will take his place with Grant and Harding as a weak king with strong and corrupt barons.

IMO, Grant was a decent man who allowed his associates to sell him down the primrose path.

Trump is not a “Good man who is being failed by his associates” and in fact more of his associates are being attacked by him for matters of conscience than vice versa.

If Biden wasn’t such a lifelong whacko, things would be different. Carter was better, Obama was better, and Clinton was worlds better than either of our last two “choices”. For that matter, Regan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. were worlds better.

I bet that our democrat friends would rather have the “shrub” back than either of these two. I know that as badly as I disliked Obama when he was in, he’s worlds better than what we’ve had for the last 7+ years.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by TomP:
At some point, historians will unwind some of the things that were done during his tenure, and Trump will take his place with Grant and Harding as a weak king with strong and corrupt barons.

IMO, Grant was a decent man who allowed his associates to sell him down the primrose path.

Trump is not a “Good man who is being failed by his associates” and in fact more of his associates are being attacked by him for matters of conscience than vice versa.

If Biden wasn’t such a lifelong whacko, things would be different. Carter was better, Obama was better, and Clinton was worlds better than either of our last two “choices”. For that matter, Regan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. were worlds better.

I bet that our democrat friends would rather have the “shrub” back than either of these two. I know that as badly as I disliked Obama when he was in, he’s worlds better than what we’ve had for the last 7+ years.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by TomP:
At some point, historians will unwind some of the things that were done during his tenure, and Trump will take his place with Grant and Harding as a weak king with strong and corrupt barons.

IMO, Grant was a decent man who allowed his associates to sell him down the primrose path.

Trump is not a “Good man who is being failed by his associates” and in fact more of his associates are being attacked by him for matters of conscience than vice versa.

If Biden wasn’t such a lifelong whacko, things would be different. Carter was better, Obama was better, and Clinton was worlds better than either of our last two “choices”. For that matter, Regan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. were worlds better.

I bet that our democrat friends would rather have the “shrub” back than either of these two. I know that as badly as I disliked Obama when he was in, he’s worlds better than what we’ve had for the last 7+ years.

Grant ending Construction in Texas, single handedly kept Lee from bring tried for treason, single handed my wrecked gold speculation, bloated Reconstruction with military force, saw to the prosecution of the KKK, ratification of the 15th Amendment, appointed African Americans and Jewish Americans to prominent offices.

His major failure was in accepting gifts that by the standards of the time were permissible. The Indian wars and post civil War expansion had its critics in its own time. The treatment cannot be white washed.

Grant was not a weak man lead off any road. Grant graded any road he walked down. Tge manner and scope he cut the grade is up for debate.