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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Justice would be giving the money to a deserving charity. Makes sense to penalize Giuliani for being an idiot. Doesn't make sense to enrich the plaintiffs and their lawyers. Giuliani is an idiot and deserves to suffer for it. The ever-loyal Donald Trump will probably help him out. Bill

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

Now, that is interesting. I hope the US Marshall's show up at Mar A Lago with writs of execution and auction off trump's gold-plated toilet. Although it is probably encumbered by some sort of lien.

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In addition to the Trump campaign fees and the New York apartment, Giuliani must also turn over a collection of several watches, including ones given to him by European presidents after the September 11, 2001, attacks; a signed Joe DiMaggio jersey and other sports memorabilia; and a 1980 Mercedes once owned by the Hollywood star Lauren Bacall. Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television, items of furniture and jewelry.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

Now, that is interesting. I hope the US Marshall's show up at Mar A Lago with writs of execution and auction off trump's gold-plated toilet. Although it is probably encumbered by some sort of lien.

They have to sue first, no?

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Liman hasn’t yet decided if Giuliani will be able to keep a Palm Beach, Florida, condominium he also owns, or the four New York Yankees World Series rings he has, which Giuliani’s son contends his father gave him.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

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Last December, a federal jury ordered Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million for his lies about Freeman and Moss, and the pair have been working ever since to collect the money. He was ordered to pay $16,171,000 to Freeman for defamation, $16,998,000 to Moss for defamation, $20 million to each woman for emotional distress and $75 million total in punitive damages.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

Now, that is interesting. I hope the US Marshall's show up at Mar A Lago with writs of execution and auction off trump's gold-plated toilet. Although it is probably encumbered by some sort of lien.

They have to sue first, no?

The Fed District Court Clerk issues the writ.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

Now, that is interesting. I hope the US Marshall's show up at Mar A Lago with writs of execution and auction off trump's gold-plated toilet. Although it is probably encumbered by some sort of lien.

They have to sue first, no?

The Fed District Court Clerk issues the writ.

Rudy hasn't won a judgement against trump has he?

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
They also get the $2 million debt Trump owes Rudy.

Now, that is interesting. I hope the US Marshall's show up at Mar A Lago with writs of execution and auction off trump's gold-plated toilet. Although it is probably encumbered by some sort of lien.

They have to sue first, no?

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

Defamation damages aren't based entirely on economic calculations. In addition to compensating the Plaintiff, the damages are designed to deter future misconduct by the defendant and to punish.

Example: do you think a $100k judgment against trump would mean anything to him? Versus a $100mm judgment? It's why net worth is typically admissible evidence in a defamation trial and in relation to any claim involving gross negligence or intentional misconduct..it allows the jury to determine what sort of an award will deter future misconduct.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

That is what courts are for. How much is it for you to get death threats?

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

That is what courts are for. How much is it for you to get death threats?

Somebody gives me a death threat, I say, "Bring it, Asshole". I'm most likely a better shot, pretty alert, still surprisingly mobile, and old enough that I'm caring less every year. I'm seldom unarmed, and own my own excavation equipment. My dog is still young, alert, and a biter. Mind you, if it pays enough, I'll cry like a baby and hide in the basement. Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

That is what courts are for. How much is it for you to get death threats?

Somebody gives me a death threat, I say, "Bring it, Asshole". I'm most likely a better shot, pretty alert, still surprisingly mobile, and old enough that I'm caring less every year. I'm seldom unarmed, and own my own excavation equipment. My dog is still young, alert, and a biter. Mind you, if it pays enough, I'll cry like a baby and hide in the basement. Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

I agree but this kind of public downfall and monetary hit has to hurt, and at his stage of life there will be no recovery.

What a way to throw away a lifetime of accomplishment. Just sad really.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The people who were harmed by being defamed by a former Fed prosecutor deserve the money.

Yeah, I'm sure it injured their future earnings by 148 million. Make that 100 million after the lawyers take their cut. That defamation was the best thing to ever happen in their lives. You're welcome to defame me a little if you like. Go ahead and accuse me of election fraud. I can take it and would settle for half that. Bill

Defamation damages aren't based entirely on economic calculations. In addition to compensating the Plaintiff, the damages are designed to deter future misconduct by the defendant and to punish.

Example: do you think a $100k judgment against trump would mean anything to him? Versus a $100mm judgment? It's why net worth is typically admissible evidence in a defamation trial and in relation to any claim involving gross negligence or intentional misconduct..it allows the jury to determine what sort of an award will deter future misconduct.

which, to me, is a screaming example on UNequal application of the law - McD's doesn't ask for your financial statement and social credit score on prices, and speeding ticket fines are based on the offense, not the offender (well, expect for repeat offenders)

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

I agree but this kind of public downfall and monetary hit has to hurt, and at his stage of life there will be no recovery.

What a way to throw away a lifetime of accomplishment. Just sad really.

i mean, steve, the depth of your education and experience are, well, astounding - do you and fifi hang out in a chat room, and practice ignoring the rule of law together? Say, how many economics courses did you take in college, i must of missed that "witty" reply ??

you have been drinking full sugar coke again, haven't you? naughty naughty

is this the point in your emotional journey where you start hissing and spitting and swearing again? i mean, you look SOOOO cool and macho, losing your thread and then posting about it - a grown man should be amazed watching you

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

I agree but this kind of public downfall and monetary hit has to hurt, and at his stage of life there will be no recovery.

What a way to throw away a lifetime of accomplishment. Just sad really.

i mean, steve, the depth of your education and experience are, well, astounding - do you and fifi hang out in a chat room, and practice ignoring the rule of law together? Say, how many economics courses did you take in college, i must of missed that "witty" reply ??

you have been drinking full sugar coke again, haven't you? naughty naughty

is this the point in your emotional journey where you start hissing and spitting and swearing again? i mean, you look SOOOO cool and macho, losing your thread and then posting about it - a grown man should be amazed watching you

Quite the meltdown Jeffe, apparently you never did go sugar free on the orange Kool-Aid. Shame, you seem to struggle with anger issues.

Do you disagree that Rudy's downfall was sad or are you just here to defend anyone in Trumpland?

What is your assessment of the downfall of "Americas mayor"?

Do you think he should get a pass or be held accountable?

Inquiring minds and all.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

I did and the discussion we're having is apples and oranges.

Damages in civil trials are different. $100k means nothing to trump but it would bankrupt you and I. Jury has to be free to impose a penalty that is meaningful to the Defendant in order to deter future intentional misconduct...like this was. And, the only way they can do that is to be provided information in relation to the defendant's net worth. I already explained this. If you don't get it or, more likely, just don't agree with...I understand. I guess.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

I agree but this kind of public downfall and monetary hit has to hurt, and at his stage of life there will be no recovery.

What a way to throw away a lifetime of accomplishment. Just sad really.

i mean, steve, the depth of your education and experience are, well, astounding - do you and fifi hang out in a chat room, and practice ignoring the rule of law together? Say, how many economics courses did you take in college, i must of missed that "witty" reply ??

you have been drinking full sugar coke again, haven't you? naughty naughty

is this the point in your emotional journey where you start hissing and spitting and swearing again? i mean, you look SOOOO cool and macho, losing your thread and then posting about it - a grown man should be amazed watching you

Quite the meltdown Jeffe, apparently you never did go sugar free on the orange Kool-Aid. Shame, you seem to struggle with anger issues.

Do you disagree that Rudy's downfall was sad or are you just here to defend anyone in Trumpland?

What is your assessment of the downfall of "Americas mayor"?

Do you think he should get a pass or be held accountable?

Inquiring minds and all.

so, judging by the elaborate dodge (reminds me of a toddler telling stories to not go to bed) the answer is zero.. you have had zero formal college education - good to know --

i don't care what happens to rudy, in the least - not my circus, not my monkeys -- words you could live by ...

do cut back on the sugar, and follow your doctors advice -- he only wants the best for you... or a 72 hour psych hold, whatever - this new strain your are smoking isn't your friend

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

I did and the discussion we're having is apples and oranges.

Damages in civil trials are different. $100k means nothing to trump but it would bankrupt you and I. Jury has to be free to impose a penalty that is meaningful to the Defendant in order to deter future intentional misconduct...like this was. And, the only way they can do that is to be provided information in relation to the defendant's net worth. I already explained this. If you don't get it or, more likely, just don't agree with...I understand. I guess.

i hear you - i don't like it, but it's reality as is -- only a fool fights against the facts, right?

it does bother me that once we say "oh, you called me a mean name, give me 10 million dollars" COULD be applied to a little old church lady that gave someone a piece of her mind ... likely won't, but could -- doesn't seem fair ...

but watch, little stevie will be along on his sugar high, telling us both how the cow at the cabbage

btw, early voting was STILL packed today, will try again tomorrow

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, we are a nation of law and not might.

I have read the testimony of these servant volunteers. Giuliani got off ease.

I am glad he got disbarred over all this.

He should be in jail, just like trump. Seditionists.

I agree but this kind of public downfall and monetary hit has to hurt, and at his stage of life there will be no recovery.

What a way to throw away a lifetime of accomplishment. Just sad really.

i mean, steve, the depth of your education and experience are, well, astounding - do you and fifi hang out in a chat room, and practice ignoring the rule of law together? Say, how many economics courses did you take in college, i must of missed that "witty" reply ??

you have been drinking full sugar coke again, haven't you? naughty naughty

is this the point in your emotional journey where you start hissing and spitting and swearing again? i mean, you look SOOOO cool and macho, losing your thread and then posting about it - a grown man should be amazed watching you

Quite the meltdown Jeffe, apparently you never did go sugar free on the orange Kool-Aid. Shame, you seem to struggle with anger issues.

Do you disagree that Rudy's downfall was sad or are you just here to defend anyone in Trumpland?

What is your assessment of the downfall of "Americas mayor"?

Do you think he should get a pass or be held accountable?

Inquiring minds and all.

so, judging by the elaborate dodge (reminds me of a toddler telling stories to not go to bed) the answer is zero.. you have had zero formal college education - good to know --

i don't care what happens to rudy, in the least - not my circus, not my monkeys -- words you could live by ...

do cut back on the sugar, and follow your doctors advice -- he only wants the best for you... or a 72 hour psych hold, whatever - this new strain your are smoking isn't your friend

I have attended three accredited colleges in two States you assumptive a$$hole.

My goodness, you win the tool of the internet award today princess.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

I did and the discussion we're having is apples and oranges.

Damages in civil trials are different. $100k means nothing to trump but it would bankrupt you and I. Jury has to be free to impose a penalty that is meaningful to the Defendant in order to deter future intentional misconduct...like this was. And, the only way they can do that is to be provided information in relation to the defendant's net worth. I already explained this. If you don't get it or, more likely, just don't agree with...I understand. I guess.

i hear you - i don't like it, but it's reality as is -- only a fool fights against the facts, right?

it does bother me that once we say "oh, you called me a mean name, give me 10 million dollars" COULD be applied to a little old church lady that gave someone a piece of her mind ... likely won't, but could -- doesn't seem fair ...

but watch, little stevie will be along on his sugar high, telling us both how the cow at the cabbage

btw, early voting was STILL packed today, will try again tomorrow

You're talking liability versus damages my friend. You might be OK being called an a$$hole idiot nationwide by a lying sack of sh!t....but some folks don't feel that way.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

I did and the discussion we're having is apples and oranges.

Damages in civil trials are different. $100k means nothing to trump but it would bankrupt you and I. Jury has to be free to impose a penalty that is meaningful to the Defendant in order to deter future intentional misconduct...like this was. And, the only way they can do that is to be provided information in relation to the defendant's net worth. I already explained this. If you don't get it or, more likely, just don't agree with...I understand. I guess.

i hear you - i don't like it, but it's reality as is -- only a fool fights against the facts, right?

it does bother me that once we say "oh, you called me a mean name, give me 10 million dollars" COULD be applied to a little old church lady that gave someone a piece of her mind ... likely won't, but could -- doesn't seem fair ...

but watch, little stevie will be along on his sugar high, telling us both how the cow at the cabbage

btw, early voting was STILL packed today, will try again tomorrow

You're talking liability versus damages my friend. You might be OK being called an a$$hole idiot nationwide by a lying sack of sh!t....but some folks don't feel that way.

oh, you saw little stevie's latest post? i look on swearing in public as being mentally defective, and like a mean dog, i usually try to stay away from it ... USUALLY -- but he's like a 10¢ top .. easy to spin up and funny to watch

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
equal protection under the law, Mike -- i assume your swore an oath along those lines

I did and the discussion we're having is apples and oranges.

Damages in civil trials are different. $100k means nothing to trump but it would bankrupt you and I. Jury has to be free to impose a penalty that is meaningful to the Defendant in order to deter future intentional misconduct...like this was. And, the only way they can do that is to be provided information in relation to the defendant's net worth. I already explained this. If you don't get it or, more likely, just don't agree with...I understand. I guess.

i hear you - i don't like it, but it's reality as is -- only a fool fights against the facts, right?

it does bother me that once we say "oh, you called me a mean name, give me 10 million dollars" COULD be applied to a little old church lady that gave someone a piece of her mind ... likely won't, but could -- doesn't seem fair ...

but watch, little stevie will be along on his sugar high, telling us both how the cow at the cabbage

btw, early voting was STILL packed today, will try again tomorrow

You're talking liability versus damages my friend. You might be OK being called an a$$hole idiot nationwide by a lying sack of sh!t....but some folks don't feel that way.

oh, you saw little stevie's latest post? i look on swearing in public as being mentally defective, and like a mean dog, i usually try to stay away from it ... USUALLY -- but he's like a 10¢ top .. easy to spin up and funny to watch

That might be funny coming from a sane individual, from you it just a bad joke.

Poor little princess, sand in the VJ tonight? You seem irritated.