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Though he sold Miss Universe last year, the presidential candidate has always had an interesting relationship with the pageant world, as Judy Bachrach recalls.

At one time or another, Donald Trump, the presidential candidate and newly minted anti-sexism warrior, has owned or co-owned three beauty pageants: Miss U.S.A., Miss Teen U.S.A., and Miss Universe. (All three of which fall under the Miss Universe Organization parent company.) In addition, Trump, in 2002, also had his sights set on the Miss World competition around the time that I was writing a story for Vanity Fair about the decision to hold that year’s competition in Nigeria—a nation with a large Muslim population—during the holy month of Ramadan. (Riots ensued, leaving 250 dead.) Trump’s reported intention was to wrest control of the beleaguered Miss World pageant—a rival to his Miss Universe—at a bargain price.

“Every time I try to put my head up there in the U.S., Trump used to try and blow it off,” Julia Morley, the owner of the Miss World Organization told me 13 years ago. “He actually took action against me for having a Miss World U.S.A.”

But not without strenuous effort on Trump’s part. Beauty-contest entrants, as the entrepreneur quickly discovered, need about as much care and grooming as a candidate’s hair. Here’s his take (as he explains in his book Trump: The Art of the Comeback) on his Year One—1997—as Miss Universe owner, at a time when the contest was held in Miami Beach, and Miss Venezuela was the reigning queen. Naturally, Trump begins by recalling the event as “a huge success . . . a mob scene.” And just as naturally, he attributes little of this acclaim to the beauty or talent of the participants. To the contrary: “I could just see Alicia Machado, the current Miss Universe, sitting there plumply [sic]. God, what problems I had with this woman.

“First, she wins. Second, she gains 50 pounds. Third, I urge the committee not to fire her. Fourth, I go to the gym with her, in a show of support. Final act: She trashes me in The Washington Post. . . . What’s wrong with this picture?”

Apparently a lot, according to Machado. She had been, she told the Post’s Lydia Martin, “anorexic and bulimic, but almost all of us are . . . it was an obsession for me to not gain weight [while preparing for the contest]. . . . And whatever I ate, I threw up.” She weighed 116 pounds on her night of triumph. Afterward, she recalled, she turned to Trump and, as she put it, “asked him to please send me to a trainer or a nutritionist or something because I needed some orientation.”

Instead, she recalled, “He sends me to a gym in New York,” which she really didn’t consider a show of support, because, as she pointed out, greeting her at that gym were “80 reporters” all waiting “to watch me sweat. I thought that was in very bad taste.”

But Trump was adamant. “When you win a beauty pageant,” he told People magazine, “people don’t think you’re going to go from 118 to 160 in less than year.” He wasn’t discussing speed limits.

While a wide range of Trump’s interests have been on display this primary cycle (terrorism, military spending, immigration reform) we’ve heard less about another particular fascination: women and weight. As far back as the mid-1970s, when Louise Sunshine, a onetime political fund-raiser, joined Trump’s real-estate business, she was—as she told The Washington Post last November—struggling to keep herself trim. It was a battle, she noted, that her boss kept under close observation as well. Inside an office drawer, Trump, according to Sunshine, kept an unflattering photo of her—“a fat picture” she called it—and he supposedly pulled out the photo on occasions he disapproved of something she did. Trump denies her recollection of events, calling it “totally false and ridiculous.” In any case, Sunshine is philosophical about her former boss. “He just is that way,” she said.

But it isn’t only the extra pounds that absorb Trump. He can’t seem to let go of Miss Universe, even though—in a financial sense—he actually has. On December 20, a few months after Trump sold his stake in the pageant to the agency WME/IMG, a contestant named Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach, of the Philippines, won the Miss Universe title. Although not without a struggle. Seconds before her name was finally called, poor Miss Colombia had been mistakenly declared the victor—at which point the crown was removed, and Trump tweeted: “Very sad what happened . . . I sold it 6 months ago for a record price. This would never have happened!”

It would be interesting to discover what that “record price” was, as by the time of the September sale both NBCUniversal and Univision had decided to dump the Miss U.S.A. contest—following Trump’s observation three months before that many Mexican immigrants were criminals and “rapists.” It was a remark that would also cast a decided pall on the Miss U.S.A. contest, which occurred just a month later. As Variety reported: “The value of the Miss Universe organization was undoubtedly diminished by the upheaval surrounding this year’s Miss U.S.A. pageant.”

To make matters worse, Trump soon found himself under-appreciated by three of the very women who had once been lucky enough to win Miss Universe titles. Lupita Jones, a former Miss Universe from Mexico, announced that her country wouldn’t be participating in the 2015 pageant. Former Miss Universe Zuleyka Rivera, of Puerto Rico, dropped out of the panel of judges for Miss U.S.A. And Colombia’s Paulina Vega, the 2014 Miss Universe, declared his remarks “unjust and hurtful.” Trump’s response, in part: Vega was a “hypocrite” because she didn’t give up her crown.

On the other hand, as Trump once told Esquire, it doesn’t really matter what anyone writes about him “as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

He just is that way.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/...-stern-a7357866.html

Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants
Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women

https://www.politico.com/story...miss-universe-223173

When Donald Trump brought Miss Universe to Moscow

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There is quite a trail from Jeffery Epstein to his "Old Friend" Donald Trump, but I'm sure the MAGA Misfits will be unable to connect the dots by themselves.

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There is no list to Epsteins Island !!!!!
Yesterday there trying to cont4ect the dots to show that Trump was there as they turn a blind eye to Clinton and the rest of there Hollywood leftist Woke Pals .
 
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There is no list to Epsteins Island !!!!!
Yesterday there trying to cont4ect the dots to show that Trump was there as they turn a blind eye to Clinton and the rest of there Hollywood leftist Woke Pals .


Don't care that much, but Clinton isn't running for President and trump is. His MAGAites don't seem to care what he's done in the past or what he would do now. It's all good to them.


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I have perused the plethora publications put out so far and while damning for Bill Clinton I see little more than “yeah…they were acquainted” about Epstein and Trump. It does seem like Bill Richardson might have been up to no good but thus far little about Trump.

Can someone please direct me to some actual damning correlation between Epstein and Trump. Yes, they were acquainted but seems like most every rich celebrity was. Should we discard all of Hawking’s work due to his acquaintance with Epstein?


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I have perused the plethora publications put out so far and while damning for Bill Clinton I see little more than “yeah…they were acquainted” about Epstein and Trump. It does seem like Bill Richardson might have been up to no good but thus far little about Trump.

Can someone please direct me to some actual damning correlation between Epstein and Trump. Yes, they were acquainted but seems like most every rich celebrity was. Should we discard all of Hawking’s work due to his acquaintance with Epstein?


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“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

“No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


There are more pictures of Trump with Epstein than there are pictures of Trump with his son Barron.

As for their "acquaintance"...

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Yep…Donald Trump played the celebrity seen and was acquainted with Epstein. Yep, I don’t view them being acquainted as a positive thing.

But once more, while evidence does seem damning for Bill Clinton and possibly Bill Richardson…can you point to damning evidence against Trump…other than they were acquainted and ran in the same social celebrity seen?


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I have perused the plethora publications put out so far and while damning for Bill Clinton I see little more than “yeah…they were acquainted” about Epstein and Trump. It does seem like Bill Richardson might have been up to no good but thus far little about Trump.

Can someone please direct me to some actual damning correlation between Epstein and Trump. Yes, they were acquainted but seems like most every rich celebrity was. Should we discard all of Hawking’s work due to his acquaintance with Epstein?


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“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

“No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


There are more pictures of Trump with Epstein than there are pictures of Trump with his son Barron.

As for their "acquaintance"...

Link


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Trump fit right in. Epstein and Maxwell invited him everywhere—and Trump reciprocated. At one highly selective party in 1992 at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, The New York Times reported, no fewer than 28 attractive young women were flown in to participate in a calendar-girl competition as entertainment. The organizer, George Houraney, who ran American Dream Enterprise, a small Florida company that staged a calendar-girl contest and other events, was appalled to learn that there were only two male guests—Trump and Epstein.


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Trump became known for hosting parties in suites at the Plaza Hotel, which he owned at the time, where older rich men were introduced to young women and girls who assumed “they’d get somewhere” by joining the party, as one partygoer, a fashion photographer, told Michael Gross, writing in the Daily Beast. “Of course, it never happens.”

According to the photographer, the girls were as young as 15. “[They were] over their heads, they had no idea, and they ended up in situations,” the photographer added. “There were always dramas because the men threw money and drugs at them to keep them enticed. It’s based on power and dominating girls who can’t push back and can be discarded.”

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer. “It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor.”

In February 2000, Trump staged a pro-am tennis tournament at Mar-a-Lago and appeared with Epstein, Maxwell, and his latest girlfriend, Melania Knauss, whom Epstein claimed to have introduced to Trump. Epstein’s claim was reported in The New York Times, which noted that “while Mr. Trump has dismissed the relationship, Mr. Epstein, since the election, has played it up, claiming to people that he was the one who introduced Mr. Trump to his third wife, Melania Trump, though neither of the Trumps has ever mentioned Mr. Epstein playing a role in their meeting.”


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I have perused the plethora publications put out so far and while damning for Bill Clinton I see little more than “yeah…they were acquainted” about Epstein and Trump. It does seem like Bill Richardson might have been up to no good but thus far little about Trump.

Can someone please direct me to some actual damning correlation between Epstein and Trump. Yes, they were acquainted but seems like most every rich celebrity was. Should we discard all of Hawking’s work due to his acquaintance with Epstein?


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“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

“No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


There are more pictures of Trump with Epstein than there are pictures of Trump with his son Barron.

As for their "acquaintance"...

Link


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Trump fit right in. Epstein and Maxwell invited him everywhere—and Trump reciprocated. At one highly selective party in 1992 at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, The New York Times reported, no fewer than 28 attractive young women were flown in to participate in a calendar-girl competition as entertainment. The organizer, George Houraney, who ran American Dream Enterprise, a small Florida company that staged a calendar-girl contest and other events, was appalled to learn that there were only two male guests—Trump and Epstein.


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Trump became known for hosting parties in suites at the Plaza Hotel, which he owned at the time, where older rich men were introduced to young women and girls who assumed “they’d get somewhere” by joining the party, as one partygoer, a fashion photographer, told Michael Gross, writing in the Daily Beast. “Of course, it never happens.”

According to the photographer, the girls were as young as 15. “[They were] over their heads, they had no idea, and they ended up in situations,” the photographer added. “There were always dramas because the men threw money and drugs at them to keep them enticed. It’s based on power and dominating girls who can’t push back and can be discarded.”

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer. “It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor.”

In February 2000, Trump staged a pro-am tennis tournament at Mar-a-Lago and appeared with Epstein, Maxwell, and his latest girlfriend, Melania Knauss, whom Epstein claimed to have introduced to Trump. Epstein’s claim was reported in The New York Times, which noted that “while Mr. Trump has dismissed the relationship, Mr. Epstein, since the election, has played it up, claiming to people that he was the one who introduced Mr. Trump to his third wife, Melania Trump, though neither of the Trumps has ever mentioned Mr. Epstein playing a role in their meeting.”


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But in 2004, after a friendship of roughly 17 years, Trump and Epstein had a serious falling-out when Epstein sought to buy a spectacular oceanfront mansion in Palm Beach called Maison de l’Amitié (“House of Friendship”) that was being sold out of a bankruptcy auction. The property, a nearly 62,000-square-foot neoclassical palace, had once been owned by Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retailer who was so close to Epstein.

Epstein had his heart set on the house, but he planned to make at least one major renovation project once he bought it: He wanted to relocate the swimming pool, and he brought Trump to the property to give him advice on how to do it.

But before the sale was finalized, Epstein was horrified to see that Trump, who was still underwater financially from his Atlantic City bankruptcies, outbid him with an offer of more than $41 million for the property. The purchase was financed by Deutsche Bank, which was already holding dubious loans for Trump.

Epstein was apoplectic and became even more enraged when Trump soon thereafter put the house up for sale for $125 million. Finally, Trump sold the house to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev for a reported $96 million in 2008—never having lived there—and Epstein threatened to sue him. The two men never spoke again.


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Once again…we all know Trump played the celebrity seen. That is old news.

And yes…stories go on and on in tabloid publications…more old news.

Please sir…point out some new revelations or credible evidence from this new court document release that alleges that Trump committed any act untoward other than associate on the social seen with some scumbag celebrities who did commit likely criminal acts…one possibly being Clinton.

Again I don’t view the association as a positive.


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Once again…we all know Trump played the celebrity seen. That is old news.

And yes…stories go on and on in tabloid publications…more old news.

Please sir…point out some new revelations or credible evidence from this new court document release that alleges that Trump committed any act untoward other than associate on the social seen with some scumbag celebrities who did commit likely criminal acts…one possibly being Clinton.

Again I don’t view the association as a positive.


There is no evidence that would satisfy you; a videotape of him tying that 13-year-old to a bed and raping her, as she testified to under Oath, would be just "rumor" to you. When it comes to Trump you have happily pissed away any ability you ever had for rational thought: you will excuse any statement or behavior on his part with platitudes or "everybody did it". If you actually held the lofty morals you proclaim JUST his public marital infidelities would be absolutely disqualifying, but you don't.

Like many self-proclaimed "Christians" your morality is as flexible as that of a $200/night Vegas hooker, and for the same reason.

Your hourly rate is just higher.


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I do not view the association as definitive of anything.

I do believe you are the people you hang w. Jake Spoon rose with a murder and was hanged with him. Gus’s knew and said Jake did not kill anybody.

We do know that a jury found President Trump to more likely them not, a preponderance of the evidence was present that he sexually assaulted a woman.

We have also in deposition testimony repeat his position that one can just sexually assault women based on celebrity status.
 
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OK…so we know Trump was acquainted with Epstein…like hundreds of celebrities.

I don’t view the acquaintance as a positive.

Next!


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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OK…so we know Trump was acquainted with Epstein…like hundreds of celebrities.

I don’t view the acquaintance as a positive.

Next!


You don't view a 17-year close friendship and association with a pedophile and pimp as a "positive"...

Really letting those "Christian values" lead...


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The big loser in the releases so far is Alan Dershowitz:

1) Dershowitz came to Epstein's island "pretty often"

2) Epstein forced one underage victim to have sex with Dershowitz repeatedly, in FL, NY, NM, Virgin Islands, and on private jets.

3) Dershowitz also witnessed Epstein and his co-conspirators sexual assaulting other victims

4) Dershowitz did all of this while also serving as Epstein's lawyer and negotiating a sweetheart deal that also gave immunity to "any potential co-conspirators of Epstein," e.g. himself.

5) Epstein refused to testify on Dershowitz and instead pled the Fifth

6) 3 other unindicted co-conspirators refused to testify on Dershowitz's "massages" and instead pled the Fifth

7) Appears Dershowitz may have tried to smear Epstein victims by stalking their MySpace profiles.

8) Dershowitz was on Epstein's island even when Epstein wasn't there, alone with underage girls.


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When people tell you who they are believe them. Dr. Easter will tell us this is normal, locker room behavior.


I view President Trump’s association with Epstein as disqualifying from public office when balanced with all of President Trump’s proven actions w women and statements concerning what a person of his status can do to women wo consent.

I view it disqualifying from ever being in the same room w me. Dr. Easter, our resident Christian Ethics Professor, would meet President Trump tomorrow.
 
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The maids, housekeepers, gardeners, etc. all know who partook of the underage tang and who didn't. Doubt any will ever come forward tho.


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I view it disqualifying from ever being in the same room w me. Dr. Easter, our resident Christian Ethics Professor, would meet President Trump tomorrow.


Anyone making a statement such as this has no basic understanding of what Christ taught. “Take up your cross and follow me.” It doesn’t matter what has transpired in your past.

Guaranteed there is NO person who Jesus would exclude from His presence. He rarely chose the righteous and often chose those who “man” considered deplorable to do his work. I suspect He did this to make the point we are ALL Gods children.


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When your morals are as flexible as a 14-year-old aspiring model I guess you can bend them around anything...


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Spoken by the man who has spent zero time studying the teachings of Christ. We know that had Jeff been in that circle of men around the adulterous woman…she would have gotten at least one lump on her noggin.

But…even you can be born again. Smiler


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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I view it disqualifying from ever being in the same room w me. Dr. Easter, our resident Christian Ethics Professor, would meet President Trump tomorrow.


Anyone making a statement such as this has no basic understanding of what Christ taught. “Take up your cross and follow me.” It doesn’t matter what has transpired in your past.

Guaranteed there is NO person who Jesus would exclude from His presence. He rarely chose the righteous and often chose those who “man” considered deplorable to do his work. I suspect He did this to make the point we are ALL Gods children.


I he t don’t s lot of time studying the teachings of Jesus in an academic setting and personal under the guidance of real theologians.

You sir are repugnant.

Jesus would hold him accountable to the laws of the state for his sexual violence.
 
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I view it disqualifying from ever being in the same room w me. Dr. Easter, our resident Christian Ethics Professor, would meet President Trump tomorrow.


Anyone making a statement such as this has no basic understanding of what Christ taught. “Take up your cross and follow me.” It doesn’t matter what has transpired in your past.

Guaranteed there is NO person who Jesus would exclude from His presence. He rarely chose the righteous and often chose those who “man” considered deplorable to do his work. I suspect He did this to make the point we are ALL Gods children.


I he t don’t s lot of time studying the teachings of Jesus in an academic setting and personal under the guidance of real theologians.

You sir are repugnant.

Jesus would hold him accountable to the laws of the state for his sexual violence.


More evidence you have no basic understanding of the teachings of Christ.

But I do wish you could learn to type and/or proofread. Wink


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I with you were not a hypocrite.

Tell us again how marriage equality is an abomination (not mentioned in the New Testament), and the ruin of the Nation. However, President Trump’s sexual violence is politically, legally, and morally okay.

Gaging at gnats while you swallow camels.

Now, we know the New Testament condemns fornicators which we know includes President Trump. The New Testament expressly says so.
 
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Joshua, do proofread your posts, it's taking away from your points


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The New Testament does condemn fornicators.

Trump could well be forgiven and find a place in heaven. He could well be made an agent for god… but in the past examples were clearly folks who repented and foreswore their past ways.

Trump’s only repudiation of his past is to invoke Jesus. He’s never repudiated his past behaviors.

Jesus was all for love the sinner, hate the sin.

He would undoubtedly forgive Trump if he honestly and truly repented.

I doubt he would accept a “politician proclamation” of his belief and repentance while demonstrating still more sin.
 
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OK…so we know Trump was acquainted with Epstein…like hundreds of celebrities.

I don’t view the acquaintance as a positive.

Next!


But you will vote for the proven rapist and pedophile anyway.


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Joshua, do proofread your posts, it's taking away from your points


No, I use an IPhone bc mint only computer is a labtop. There is one post by me that had two words missed up in this thread. I have Hester things to do. If I see it, I change it. If I don’t. I sm past worrying about it.

Most of you guys do not use sentences.

Again, the phrase hate the sinner love the sinner is not found in the New Testament. The phrase is a sort hand for the views expressed by Augustine. Augustine also taught that where the Bible’s teachings are contrary to science the versus should be taken metaphorically.

President Trump being a fornicator is not against the law civil or criminal. The issue is two fold: 1) The Dr. Easter’s of the works holding President Trump up as an agent of God, and Christian leader. That President Trump is the “candidate of the faith.” 2) The selective enforcement of “Christian sexual moralism that they do not apply to themselves or the kind that are their side. They do this Willie condemning both in terms of civil law and moral code those who gave no offense to anyone. Yet, they are here defending a man who has given legal offense/harm to another with his attitude and use of power related to sex.

Dr. Easter has told us President Trump is a man. How President Trump has spoken and acted concerning sex is not how a man is to behave.

God through Jesus can and may have forgiven President Trump. That is not in debate. That is between God and the only Begotten Son.

What is in debate is whether President Trumps actions disqualify him from obtaining my vote for President or associating with him. President Trump is not a disempowered, socially condemned man for some perceived imperfection that we see in the New Testament interacting w Jesus. President Trump is a very powerful man who has told us repeatedly and under oath that one’s standing as a celebrity enables one to sexually assault women. President Trump has been found by a civil jury to have more likely them not to have done so.

No, The New Testament does not require that I dine or meet with him. The New Testament certainly does not require we do not hold him responsible on this Earth for violations of our legal codes. The New Testament does not instruct I must vote for him to save Christianity.

In addition, it is revolting that President Trump dares to wrap himself as the defender of Christianity and present Christianity as being subject to persecution in this nation state. A Christian being required to treat their fellow citizens equally in the public sphere, or the government be neutral to a faith is not persecution.

The oppression of Christian Nationalism that Dr. Easter advocates for and through President Trump must be identified, defeated through debate, and the ballot box. Ultimately, we get and deserve what we vote for.

President Trump’s soul are his business and God’s prerogative. President Trump as a candidate for office his actions, words, and deeds are my prerogative.

Of course, Dr. Easter want to end a short sentence on the issue w Next. He does not want anything that is negative (ie not positive) to linger about the presumptive and leading GOP primary candidate. The man De. Easter has declared his intention to vote in the general.

Dr. Easter’s post should read, “ Do not critically examine the leading GOP candidate.”
 
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My point in this thread is that there is very little there there with this Epstein release and the Trump/Epstein relationship other than yes, they were acquainted.

Even acquaintance with a man such as Epstein is not positive. But, we have always known Trump was a celebrity and moved in celebrity circles where Epstein frequented.

I have seen nothing “yet” in this new release that suggests anything other than that they were acquainted.

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My points, the there is what I have stated above in 3ish post.

Conclusion and Summary:

President Trump’s own words, including those under oath, and his adjudicated actions overwhelms your feeble defense. President Trump presents himself with his own words and adjudicative actions as a person who believes status permits the assault of women.
 
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Joshua, do proofread your posts, it's taking away from your points


No, I use an IPhone bc mint only computer is a labtop. There is one post by me that had two words missed up in this thread. I have Hester things to do. If I see it, I change it. If I don’t. I sm past worrying about it.



see there? mint - labtop. sm, it detracts from what you are trying to say


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I have no problem interpreting someone's intent, spell-check deficiency or not.

We all do the best we can with what we have to work with. Smiler

A deficiency lies not in the spell checker.


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Joshua, do proofread your posts, it's taking away from your points


No, I use an IPhone bc mint only computer is a labtop. There is one post by me that had two words missed up in this thread. I have Hester things to do. If I see it, I change it. If I don’t. I sm past worrying about it.



see there? mint - labtop. sm, it detracts from what you are trying to say


As you are aware, this things change words even spelled correctly. Also, the little type screen is murder. You hit letters, and it changes to what it thinks you are typing.

So, no I do not have time to proof read. Do you have a substantive response?

I will say again, Conclusion and Summary:

President Trump’s own words, including those under oath, and his adjudicated actions overwhelms your feeble defense. President Trump presents himself with his own words and adjudicative actions as a person who believes status permits the assault of women.

Now, I say that w the understanding you are not a President Trump supporter. As long as we are going to discuss President Trump’s fitness. I will say it.
 
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I rarely post from my phone, for these reasons. have you tried speech to text?

i am not defending trump in anyway, i guess that was aimed at another poster


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Doesn't 0biden's brother own an island next to Epstein's? Hmmm.


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Doesn't 0biden's brother own an island next to Epstein's? Hmmm.


Since you posted it I knew this was bound to be a lie, so I did three seconds of checking and the answer is no.

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