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Without being to much of an alarmist, if any of these protests, turn into riots, are any of you leftists prepared to blame the leadership of the left? In this case, it would be a planned riot and the outcome cannot be blamed on anyone or anything but the protesters and organizers. These's actually one scheduled within a mile of my home Saturday. It will be interesting to see how Saturday goes. Formerly "Nganga" | ||
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If one person gets violent, it was planned? Seriously? What if 1500+ get violent? Is that a brotherly love circle jerk? | |||
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do tell us punish them like the 6th of january or more lol | |||
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You bet! No due process! Did the auto pen give them preemptive pardons too??? | |||
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Steve, given the precedent set by those perpetrating 1/6, convicted and sentenced for 1/6, pardoned for 1/6 and those defending and advocating the 1/6 crimes, I think you should expect in-kind violence if not just a bit more. Hope it goes without saying that I hope you and yours have a peaceful and happy weekend. | |||
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Seems like your primises are right Scott.....but I do believe the summer of love happened well before Jan 6. That being the case do your precedents still stand? I don't remember much prosecution of the summer of love rioters and I do remember a whole bunch of democrats enabling them and making excuses for them. And downplaying their violence and lawlessness.... . | |||
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This violence was long in the making! Poor leadership, allowing illegals to not just enter the country, but get away with it with tacit support, was not going to last for ever. And keeping corrupt politicians who never seem to even consider their own citizens rights in office, was not going to work forever. California has been led astray by a bunch of self serving IDIOTS. Then you install a most selfish idiot in the White House, whose sole purpose in life is self glorification, and you have a situation ready to explode! America is no better than Zimbabwe right now. TRUMP = MUGABE! Both countries are ruled by DEMOCRACY!  | |||
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Well, there has been plenty of warnings, from all sides, against violence. . If these organized "peaceful protests" turn violent - stupid is as stupid does. Don't we wish stupid could be put on pause for a day or two? We might get used to it. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Help me out, what are you asking me? | |||
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Oh I've long given up on stupid being put on pause. I dare you to name a venue, any venue where stupid does not rule the day. When Steve puts his boat on the water I'm fairly certain he thinks to himself that he's surrounded by stupid. When you have your truck or camper out on the road I'm fairly certain you think you are surrounded by stupid. It's about all we can do anymore when people around us speak, act, fail to listen, smell and touch and not say, "damn you are stupid!". I can understand, I get notions in my head and embark on deeds and adventures that I in retrospect say to myself, "damn I'm stupid!". It's a guarantee that this weekend there'll be more than a few libs this weekend having a "hold my beer and watch this!" moment and it's gonna be really stupid. | |||
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OK, so if your asking about the difference between 1/6 and BLM, I am aware of things like this. https://apnews.com/article/rec...57b91af2fdd3345dace8 Regardless, 1/6 came from the top down. Our Commander in Chief fueled it and then blessed it with the pardons. The Chief Executive over the highest power on the globe gave his blessing and approval to Sedition, violent politi al rioting and looting. Our Head of State encourages criminal behavior if you don't think you politically get your way. Like the LGB......Americans, I'm under the impression that my African American fellow citizens are about 10% of the population. So whatever they're all twisted up about gets about 10% of my attention. However, all Americans, 100% of them have been taught that their political or social leanings are now reasonably fought for with illegal and violet means, because in the end they may well be victorious and if not, a future and friendly partisan government will pardon them. The anti ICE libs could well have nothing to lose tomorrow by rioting, pillaging and burning. Ashley Babbit made millions doing so, several others are pursuing the same results. Hey! A future liberal president may award anti ICE rioters with medals and have statues placed in their honor! | |||
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Scott I am talking of the precedent of violent "protest" not being punished. You seem to say that this precedent was set by the Jan 6 rioters. I tend to believe the precedent was set earlier. | |||
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it goes back to OWS "Protests" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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As I said, many reasonable people have put out the warning to not be violent in the protests, including the so-deemed bias liberal media. I saw that the organizers have specifically promoted peaceful. I see that you mentioned boating, camping, etc., and just everyday life amongst "them". It's true. So it's inevitable that some in the bunch are stupid and mean. Some anarchists too. I have to agree with the premise that a high percentage of the protestors will be liberals. That's because the protests are specifically against Trump and thus against Trumpism. Actually, the protests are against large scale stupid. All the liberal influencers that I know of promote speaking out in protest, but not violence. I think peaceful protests consistent with the 1st are essential in times like this. I believe non-violent will make the day go down in history as far more effective than violence. https://www.themirror.com/news...s-hosting-no-1201863 Map shows 1,800 US cities hosting 'No Kings Day' protests this weekend to rally against Trump's military parade Several cities across all states, U.S. territories and countries abroad will hold counter 'No Kings Day' protests to President Donald Trump's military parade Saturday
************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Sure the precedent of getting away with pillaging and looting was set earlier, maybe all the way back to Rodney King or before but it's never been with presidential approval before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Edwards Trump actually blessed assaulting police. What should Steve expect this weekend?,......... | |||
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I think it went far beyond mere "approval". It was by design and intent when the whole scope of events are seen. The BIG LIE, the fake electors, the amicus briefs such as the one from MAGA Mike, GOPer support in congress, and even coordination with security when they tried to whisk Pence away but he knew what was going on and refused to get into the car. The "approval" and purpose of the riots was to force the essential event of the day to not happen, thus opening a series of events pre-planned - to stir doubt and let congress decide. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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I "expect" that every organizer knows that Trump is hoping for violence. It's obvious how he will use it. I hope they don't give him what he desperately wants. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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I present this short video as an intro to the next video link: https://youtube.com/shorts/nqE...?si=IhSaJ-6fWINSRev1 I looked up "child ego state" and "parent ego state" and "adult ego state" just to be sure of what it meant. You can look it up for yourself if you don't already know. ================================================ This is why the "peaceful" protests are essential: (note - I started the video past the intro and ads. If an ad pops up, you can skip it in a few seconds) https://youtu.be/nJKKVFpawFE?si=wCKICNd_a9zwjQeN&t=92 A Psychiatrist Explores The Likely Next Steps On Trump's Path To Authoritarianism ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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"Crowds on Demand", a pay for protesters company, says they turned down several "high budget" requests for renting protesters This is one of several "paid protesters" companies, that the left used to say we're myths, that round up crowds, buses, water, signs, bullhorns, etc etc to have a grossly non-sponteaneous crowd show up, with printed signs and agendas. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Dunno. The parallels between the lefty protests and Trump on 1/6 are there. Trump repeatedly called for it to be peaceful all the while egging it on. The left and its paid organizers are doing exactly the same thing. You get a bunch of angry people together and the synergy of the crowd acts on folks and not surprisingly you have violence. It doesn’t take much common sense to foresee this. Unfortunately the political class gets more money and power pushing this particular method so they are not going to voluntarily give up organizing this crap. It’s been going on since the civil war era, so I don’t see it changing any time soon. | |||
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Well, maybe Fox told the truth this time: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ant...d-agitators-reported ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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I'll agree that Trump egged it on yet called for peace. But the differences I see here are, No Kings, is not a spontaneous event, it is a paid for production, with much violence possible. The paid protestors are essentially performers. The J6 crowd, had IIRC 26 FBI "resources" that I cannot think of a single reason for their presence, other than to assist in egging on the crowd. Again, to be as clear as I can, J6 sucked, it shouldn't have happened and is a stain on our history. But comparing the two events is not accurate. Go to the No Kings site. There is map with 1800 planned protests. You simply cannot compare the two. https://www.nokings.org/district Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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As I read it, there is no evidence of paid protestors being deployed. It seems like most Rightist's claims, just innuendos taken as true. So, let's consider threats of real violence, said out loud: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...zv6?ocid=socialshare Trump: Military parade protesters will be met with ‘very big force’ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...voL?ocid=socialshare DeSantis and Abbott lob threats at protesters ahead of ‘No Kings’ https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13...will-kill-you-digvid 'We will kill you': Florida sheriff issues stern warning to protesters https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-m...ll-face-h-rcna212282 Trump threatens military parade protesters, says dissenters will face 'very heavy force' The president's lengthy record of trying to silence critics is unambiguous. Ahead of his military parade, it's getting worse. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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No kings infers no princes/earls/dukes either. Though most free citizens don't pay attention to "the higher classes" , and would lump royalty and nobility and other titled persons into the same bucket Which means, congress critters, outside of very narrow circumstances, yall ain't entitled to any greater privileges than joe blow. Especially when it comes to barging into someone's ACTUALLY in the "line of succession" private news conference and approach, big, loud, and angry. Sorry, senator, you have no rights in an FBI building forcing your way into a closed door meeting. No kings... or princes opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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IMO, they should have used the term No Fascists, and made Woody Guthrie's All You Fascists gonna lose song their theme song. https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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No you dont! You don't think, you are told. By sources you pick to confirm your ludicrous viewpoints and fears..... You are a pathetic old woman that can't think for herself. | |||
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The only thing that the left can organize is mob violence!!! Keep up the good work, America,is tired of it. Y'all will,never win the presidency again! | |||
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Steve, part of the whole issue where folks got convicted of seditious conspiracy was showing that 1/6 was not a spontaneous event, either. Some of the folks there were trying to cause issues and succeeded in making their fellows do some pretty stupid stuff. One poor lady got herself killed doing it. All of these situations are powder kegs. Folks are mad, and then you get a group of them who are there with the best of intentions and mob mentality kicks in and they do stuff that folks who know them wouldn't believe their friends and neighbors would do. Yes, we have a right to assemble peaceably and ask the government to redress our grievances. But the other side is we all know that a group of mad folks together usually do things that are not "peaceful" or "asking". Doesn't matter if its folks who don't want to be made to take vaccines or folks who don't want their illegally in the country neighbors deported, or folks who don't like allowing mail in ballots, they will take it too far is a near statistical certainty. As to the FBI sources, I am willing to grant them they were trying to keep an eye on it... but that puts a real lie to the whole "we had no idea" that all the alphabet agencies and LE "didn't know" what was happening.
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"Much violence possible " Steve are you planning for or hoping or expecting or,...? Truthfully I'm expecting. I think regardless precedent set the libs will be some kind of violent this weekend, they already are. The twist is they'll have precedent to defend themselves with after the events, ( crimes,). MAGA has no moral high ground anymore on any topic. Their CIC is a lying, cheating, stealing slut. As I've said other places, the tsunami of Trump pardons cements for eternity the idea of crime pays. I'd look for a whole bunch of anarchy this weekend and beyond with the hope and belief that in late 2028 they'll be vindicated, pardoned, justified, memorialized and awarded. As I said before, I hope and pray your weekend is peaceful and happy. | |||
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What's your proof that a significant number--or any number--of protestors are paid? Who's paying them? Where are your receipts, Steve A? | |||
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In case you missed following Steve A's link, the No Kings website specifically disclaims violence. "A core principle behind all No Kings events is a commitment to nonviolent action. We expect all participants to seek to de-escalate any potential confrontation with those who disagree with our values and to act lawfully at these events. Weapons of any kind, including those legally permitted, should not be brought to events." | |||
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trump was the President of the United States. Fomenting an insurrection. Little bit different than somebody on the street fighting with the cops. | |||
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Let me get this straight... when random lefty protest website says "no violence " it's not a dog whistle But when the president says "no violence" it has to be a dog whistle Yall must have a hard time context switching how words change meanings along political lines opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well Scott, Your first statement tells me all I need to know about what you think of me. I prepare for any eventuality, to keep my family safe, period. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Some assholes will believe any conspiracy theory. Like Jan 6 protesters were tourists. Talk about pre-emptive stupidity | |||
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Some people also say the rioters on Jan 6 were going to takeover the U.S. government A troop of boy scouts with 10/22s could have killed the bunch | |||
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You left out how they were political prisoners who rightfully received pardons for their actions  Some folks will excuse any behavior, as long as it comes from their team. | |||
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That's interesting. First, it's two claims which don't connect. But you connected them. And they are both nonsense. You say "some people". I say what people? I think only an idiot would say that, and only an idiot would think an idiot saying that had any relevance. The purpose of the invasion of the Capitol that day was to thwart the certification. The "takeover" was what was planned to happen next. The game was spoiled when Mike Pence refused to get in the car and be driven away. IOW, Mike Pence, VPOTUS, thwarted Trump's plan for the day of 1/6/21, and thereafter. And we thought Pence was a numbnutz, when all along he is a hero. DO YOU GET THAT? ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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