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Maddow: How far will the American public allow Trump to go?

75% of Americans are not happy about trump's parade. The GOP might want to take note.

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Originally posted by wymple:
75% of Americans are not happy about trump's parade. The GOP might want to take note.

count me in the "this is a dumb idea" crowd

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Originally posted by wymple:
75% of Americans are not happy about trump's parade. The GOP might want to take note.

I would like to know what aspects of it that they are "not happy about".

And some kind of scale, like one to ten, on the unhappy scale, maybe like I've seen in the doctor's office a poster with a pain scale with faces showing degrees of pain.

Are they not happy about the cost?

Or, perhaps the cost to feed his narcissistic ego?

Or maybe the symbolism, which could have been done at less expense, on a broader scale, and showing real respect for those who serve and have served.

Maybe they are disgusted with that display at Ft Bragg where some were screened for the seats in camera view for their loyalty to Trump and coached to cheer on que?

Maybe they know that this an authoritarian's playbook, including the deployment of the military to quell protests.

Maybe it's the dehumanization of the opposition, and the lying?

Maybe it's a combination.

Reasons it is a bad idea:

1. Cost.
2. It is an action typically associated with authoritarian regimes.
3. It coincides with the Orange Messiah's birthday.

No doubt he will endeavor to look grand, channeling Il Duce, glaring from the reviewing stand. What a twit.

I’d like to see those entire regiments marching past throw a stiff armed salute as they march past so he’d be obligated to respond in kind.

I’d like to see those entire regiments marching past throw a stiff armed ( middle finger ) salute as they march past.

Here's an example of the Left's attitude about protests:

It's not what the radical Right claims.

https://youtu.be/AAQXWv_mh60?si=ovftzQGpNDkY_uM3

Why Do We Protest in America? How Should We Protest?

https://youtu.be/LS_qkTDx9xo?si=VhKp-cGkqCIOYNyN

Enormous pushback: Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose funding Trump’s military parade

According to a brand new NBC News Decision Desk Poll out this morning, 64% of Americans oppose the use of government funds for the parade. Meanwhile, in very different scenes playing out across the country, organizers are staging protests in hundreds of cities and towns in what they are calling a nationwide day of defiance. The protests come during a week of heightened tensions over President Trump's immigration raids, a week that saw Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla of California forcibly removed from DHS Sec. Kristi Noem's press conference on Thursday.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:


Well Scott, Your first statement tells me all I need to know about what you think of me.

I prepare for any eventuality, to keep my family safe, period.

Steve i hold you in high regard. If I've said something to make you think otherwise I apologize, it's certainly my fault but was not my intention.

You be quiet, Scott. This is No Kings Day. Haven't you heard?

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Originally posted by wymple:
You be quiet, Scott. This is No Kings Day. Haven't you heard?

Terribly sorry, you'd think I'd know better.

Well, we had 2 democrat politicians shot here in MN.

A large part of the metro is on lockdown.

A democrat with "No Kings" fliers in his cop car look alike shot and killed a female ex speaker of the MN house (democrat) and her husband and shot and wounded in a separate house a male DFL state legislator and his wife who are post op in a hospital up here.

The shooter was a guy that both Walz and Dayton appointed to a labor board here. He's still on the loose.

In a imitation cop SUV wearing a badge and what looked like a uniform and police body armor.

A bunch of the no kings protests have been cancelled up here, but some are still drawing folks despite this.

Its a mess.

And was he charged with insurrection or sedition/seditious conspiracy?

He fell down on the job. He lost my support. However, the dem's response did not gain my support either. I've been saying a pox on Trump and a pox on the democrat leadership for some time.

How many lefty's have been charged with similar level crimes as the proud boys leaders yet they undoubtedly have written up manifestos and plans to violently remove the opposition politicians...

The point remains, getting a protest together in a angry populace asks for violence in the protest. Saying no violence does not absolve you from the violence.

It just occurred in MN again this morning.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Dunno.

The parallels between the lefty protests and Trump on 1/6 are there.

Trump repeatedly called for it to be peaceful all the while egging it on.

The left and its paid organizers are doing exactly the same thing. You get a bunch of angry people together and the synergy of the crowd acts on folks and not surprisingly you have violence. It doesn’t take much common sense to foresee this.

Unfortunately the political class gets more money and power pushing this particular method so they are not going to voluntarily give up organizing this crap. It’s been going on since the civil war era, so I don’t see it changing any time soon.

trump was the President of the United States. Fomenting an insurrection. Little bit different than somebody on the street fighting with the cops.

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The point remains, getting a protest together in a angry populace asks for violence in the protest. Saying no violence does not absolve you from the violence.

So angry people should stay silent and not exercise their right to protest?

If Americans had followed you in the Revolutionary War, we'd still be kneeling before a king.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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The point remains, getting a protest together in a angry populace asks for violence in the protest. Saying no violence does not absolve you from the violence.

So angry people should stay silent and not exercise their right to protest?

If Americans had followed you in the Revolutionary War, we'd still be kneeling before a king.

sure, Jimmy -- and now YOU personally, own every result -- good luck with that

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Originally posted by wymple:
75% of Americans are not happy about trump's parade. The GOP might want to take note.

I talked to a treasured friend on the phone today, a diehard Republican and Trump voter.
When asked if he was going to watch the parade today, he asked what parade.
When I explained about Flag Day, the Army, and Trump's birthday, he said that sounded ridiculous.

Before any mention of cost of the parade or fixing the streets after the tanks went home.

I have a flag up today, why not...

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Originally posted by MJines:
Reasons it is a bad idea:

1. Cost.
2. It is an action typically associated with authoritarian regimes.
3. It coincides with the Orange Messiah's birthday.

No doubt he will endeavor to look grand, channeling Il Duce, glaring from the reviewing stand. What a twit.

Wow! If Christmas coincided with his birthday we'd have to forgo Christmas I guess????

250 and fifty years of the greatest military force on the planet is something to celebrate!


I'm proud of my country!

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have a flag up today, why not...

I have a flag up every day! I'm proud to be a citizen of the greatest country the planet has ever known. I'm proud of the sacrifices our military and my ancestors made to allow me to live in the most free, greatest country ever!

Looks like LA has gone violent......again.......

But, but, but they said no violence....

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Ignored post by JTEX posted 15 June 2025 05:59
Ignored post by JTEX posted 15 June 2025 06:34
Ignored post by JTEX posted 15 June 2025 06:58

It's not often when an example of proud and sincere coincide with perverted occurs.

OTOH, maybe it occurs too often nowadays.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
The only thing that the left can organize is mob violence!!!

Keep up the good work, America,is tired of it.

Y'all will,never win the presidency again!

Only thing the right wing nut can organize is install a multi bankrupt, convicted felon in the White House!

Well, the protest rallies were heavily attended, while trump's dictator party was by any measure a bust. He will have a shitload of excuses at the ready. Weather, political sabotage, etc. whatever they can get to stick.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
The only thing that the left can organize is mob violence!!!

Keep up the good work, America,is tired of it.

Y'all will,never win the presidency again!

Only thing the right wing nut can organize is install a multi bankrupt, convicted felon in the White House!

and you can say what you want but at least that part was properly done and remember why: just to make sure the whole world can have big laughters despite all the bad things happening, but again ukraine war or palestine massacre will end within 24 hours at will of the supreme leader ...

Guess where this quote comes from.

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

https://www.google.com/search?...gHGg&sclient=gws-wiz

Separating the signal from the noise:


Analysis
How US cities have long planned for a Trump-led escalation against protests
George Chidi
in Atlanta
The US president hinted at a crackdown on demonstrations long before his inauguration, and it’s finally here

Sat 14 Jun 2025 13.53 EDT

https://www.theguardian.com/us...gn?CMP=share_btn_url

The White House’s escalating response to street protests echoes talk before Donald Trump’s inauguration of forcibly quelling resistance in urban America. Those plans are now the present.

After the use of federalized national guard units and marines in response to protests in Los Angeles, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) plans to deploy Swat-style special response teams to Seattle, Philadelphia, northern Virginia, New York and Chicago – cities led by Democrats that have long been the target of Trump’s invective – before expected protests this weekend, according to reports by NBC and others.

The militarization on the streets and in immigration raids dramatically marks the places the administration wants to punish dissent.

Late last month, the Department of Homeland Security also posted a list of jurisdictions it said were noncompliant with federal law regarding immigration enforcement. These “sanctuary jurisdictions” included entire states like California and New York, and an expansive list of counties and municipalities ranging from the metropolis of Los Angeles to tiny Hooker county, Nebraska, with a population of about 700.

The list appeared to closely match the Detainer Acceptance Tracker, an internal document of Ice that identifies “limited and non-cooperative institutions”. The tracker declares a jurisdiction out of “compliance” if its local jail wouldn’t continue to hold a prisoner set for release when Ice had issued a detention notice, or wouldn’t give Ice what it considers adequate warning when that prisoner had a release pending.

The list perplexed and infuriated state and local officials. Cities like Athens in Georgia or Memphis in Tennessee face strong state prohibitions against the adoption of immigration sanctuary policies. After an outcry, DHS withdrew the list, but it telegraphed the administration’s targets for increased immigration enforcement.

Days later, Ice began aggressive raids.

Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, was asked last month why the administration wasn’t arresting the leaders of so-called sanctuary cities. Homan smirked. “Wait till you see what’s coming,” he replied.

Cities have long been planning their responses to a Trump-led crackdown.

Seattle’s government has pledged to resist cooperation with Ice and the city has a history of strident public protest. Its leadership has been unambiguous about where they stand.


“At some point, I will probably go to jail and be in prison because we have an administration that has threatened to jail politicians … and has threatened to jail a governor,” newly appointed Seattle police chief Shon Barnes told the city council this week at his confirmation hearing. “I will do everything in my power to protect anyone in Seattle from anyone who comes to this city with the intention to hurt them or inhibit their first amendment rights.”

Barnes’s prediction connects with a pair of executive orders Trump issued on 28 April calling on DHS to identify and defund sanctuary cities and increase immigration enforcement by driving military equipment into local police officers’ hands. One of the orders contains a provision that calls on the attorney general to “prioritize prosecution” of officials who “willfully and unlawfully direct the obstruction of criminal law” including by trying to stop law enforcement officers from carrying out these “duties”.

Philadelphia district attorney Larry Krasner, long a firebrand figure in city politics, carefully asked for peaceful protest, and pledged to uphold the rule of law as the city manages public demonstrations. But he described the use of federal troops as a provocation, and Trump as a wannabe dictator and criminal.

“The notion that we’re actually going to talk to somebody like that in a way that is reasonable makes no sense because we all know what he’s actually up to,” he said at a press conference Thursday. “What he’s actually up to is setting up a military overthrow of the United States, and he’s doing it like every wannabe dictator and successful dictator has done in the past, which is that you have to scare the population and convince them that there’s a bonafide emergency when there isn’t.”


The Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson called for “constitutional policing” as both upgunned Ice units and protesters descend on the city this weekend. In a press conference Wednesday, Johnson said he believes his city has been targeted by the administration and by conservatives for policies perceived to be supportive of illegal immigration, specifically noting how Texas governor Greg Abbott trafficked immigrants to the city as a political stunt.

“I will say that it is clear that there is more intentionality around the Trump’s administration to attack Democratically-run cities,” Johnson said. “This president’s desire to not only militarize and criminalize, but his commitment to drive chaos, is something that I’ve said from the very beginning is not only reckless but it’s incomprehensible, quite frankly. So, we’re going to protect people’s right to assemble while also ensuring that Chicagoans can get through their day-to-day.”

Just as city leaders have been anticipating a crackdown, Trump administration leaders have been expecting people to respond.

In speeches made to private groups in 2023 and 2024, Russell Vought – one of the main architects of Project 2025 and current chief of the office of management and budget – argued for the use of the Insurrection Act to use the military to put down protests he predicted would emerge from administration policies.

“We want to be able to shut down the riots and not have the legal community or the defense community come in and say: ‘That’s an inappropriate use of what you’re trying to do,’” he said.

The Center for Renewing America, a Christian conservative thinktank founded by Vought, also argued in a policy brief in 2024 that the president has sweeping authority to use the military as a tool for immigration enforcement, and called on a future president Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.

Trump campaigned on a pledge to use the military to assist in immigration enforcement.

“I can see myself using the National Guard and, if necessary, I’d have to go a step further,” he told Time magazine. “We have to do whatever we have to do to stop the problem we have.”

In that interview, Trump lambasted “Democratic-run cities” for failing to address “migrant crime”, arguing that the use of the military would be justified in these places. “I’ve used the National Guard in Minneapolis. And if I didn’t use it, I don’t think you’d have Minneapolis standing right now, because it was really bad,” he said. “But I think in terms of the National Guard. But if I thought things were getting out of control, I would have no problem using the military, per se.”

The Posse Comitatus Act has been widely understood to prohibit troops from engaging in domestic law enforcement functions targeting civilians without the invocation of the Insurrection Act. But Trump claimed that undocumented immigrants should be considered “invaders” and not civilians for purposes of that law.

The US district court judge Charles R Breyer rebuked the Trump administration late Thursday for its activation of national guard units in California, and for its broader argument that decisions made by the president about how to use the military lay beyond judicial review. The 36-page order required Trump to return control of the units to the state governor, Gavin Newsom, by noon Friday.

An appellate panel of the ninth circuit court put Breyer’s ruling on hold late Thursday evening, leaving Trump’s use of the military in cities in a state of legal limbo for now. But Breyer’s ruling notes that Trump’s assertion that protests constitute a threat of rebellion does not justify national guard activation, and declares that failing to work with the governor violates the law.

Contrast this with how conservative states with large progressive cities are approaching protests this weekend. The Texas governor Greg Abbott has already activated national guard units, with 5,000 troops being sent to manage “No Kings Day” protests across the state.

In Georgia, a protest Wednesday on Buford Highway in Brookhaven – the heart of metro Atlanta’s immigrant community – ended in teargas and six arrests, with charges ranging from disorderly conduct to assaulting a peace officer.

“In Georgia, if you engage in violence for the purpose of changing public policy, you can be charged with Domestic Terrorism,” wrote the Georgia attorney general, Chris Carr, on Thursday. “So, for those trying to make their weekend plans, the bottom line is this – we will defend the right to peacefully protest, and we will not hesitate to bring Domestic Terrorism charges for those who earn it. We are not California or New York. We are Georgia. We don’t make excuses for criminals here. We prosecute them.”

Progressive leaders of American cities on the edge right now are matching the tone of this rhetoric.

“What we have seen in Los Angeles is really not about immigration,” Johnson said in Chicago. “This is not about policy. This is about power. We have a tyrant in the White House who has a complete disregard for our constitution and the dismissing of our democracy.”

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Guess where this quote comes from.

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

https://www.google.com/search?...gHGg&sclient=gws-wiz

Wow. It reads like something from a work of fiction.

It is indeed. It's Orwellian 1984.

My point is to compare the fictional dystopia with the real world dystopia today.

That was a war.

If you are going to do things that result in violence, own the violence it causes... and expect it to get violence in return.

If you are mad enough to fight about it, so be it.

Just pointing out why most "mostly peaceful" protests are anything but.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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The point remains, getting a protest together in a angry populace asks for violence in the protest. Saying no violence does not absolve you from the violence.

So angry people should stay silent and not exercise their right to protest?

If Americans had followed you in the Revolutionary War, we'd still be kneeling before a king.

My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

Protest is a legitimate form of how citizens and those treated less than interact with government.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

Care to say what they're angry about?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

Care to say what they're angry about?

they should not best country with the best president ever come on scott just try to see the light your dear president cannot turn a great man into a blind follower of the cult of the supreme leader that fast ...

you are getting far from getting MAGA promises ...

I hope it is reflected in the polls

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I hope it is reflected in the polls

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

we can decide it was rigged as it was after the riot of the 6 of jan lol ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

Care to say what they're angry about?

they should not best country with the best president ever come on scott just try to see the light your dear president cannot turn a great man into a blind follower of the cult of the supreme leader that fast ...

you are getting far from getting MAGA promises ...

I'm under the impression the No Kings rally were better attended than Trumps birthday rally.

By a ratio of 100-1.

An MSNBC article by Hanna Panreck
Highlite- lack of dark energy at parade.
They reported people were there in good spirits and enjoyment of the parade, and not dark motives.
With everything else going on, that is a good thing.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
My son and daughter-in-law were angry enough to go to yesterday's local protest. A lot of angry folks there, but it stayed peaceful.

My son says the anti-Trump protestors outnumbered the pro-Trumpers four or five to one.

And this is the middle of red country.

Care to say what they're angry about?

they should not best country with the best president ever come on scott just try to see the light your dear president cannot turn a great man into a blind follower of the cult of the supreme leader that fast ...

you are getting far from getting MAGA promises ...

I'm under the impression the No Kings rally were better attended than Trumps birthday rally.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I hope it is reflected in the polls

Maybe this answers your question Scott:

https://greattransformation.su...tum-shifted-have-the

The Week Momentum Shifted - Have the Tables Turned?
In one week, the entire country's energy has turned completely around.