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Actors from across the Iranian political spectrum are publicly acknowledging Mir Hossein Mousavi’s February 4 call for “foundational change” in the Islamic Republic. Mousavi discussed holding a referendum on whether to maintain the Islamic Republic and suggested drafting a new constitution on February 4, as CTP previously reported. Prominent Sunni cleric Moulana Abdol Hamid expressed support for a referendum on the “regime and system” during his weekly Friday prayer sermon in Zahedan, Sistan, and Baluchistan Province on February 17.[1] Abdol Hamid did not explicitly reference Mousavi, but his use of the term “referendum” demonstrates that he is likely seeking to keep Mousavi’s idea of “foundational change” at the forefront of Iran’s internal political debate.

Mousavi’s political opponents have also publicly discussed his February 4 statement in recent days. Ardabil Friday Prayer Leader Seyyed Hassan Amali stated on February 17 that pro-regime marches on February 11 symbolized a “national referendum,” suggesting that the regime is attempting to appropriate Mousavi’s message in order to increase its own legitimacy.[2] The Reformist Front Coordination Council separately released a statement on February 16 endorsing Khatami’s February 5 statement but rejecting Mousavi’s “approach of amending the constitution after obtaining the opinion of the people through a referendum.”[3] By publicly discussing Mousavi’s revolutionary statement, these opponents are inadvertently legitimizing the very ideas they seek to undermine. This may have the unintended consequence of increasing support and traction among the Iranian people and various government officials for Mousavi’s call for fundamental change.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
IMO, there is no such thing as "fundamental change" in a system where religion and state is entrenched and conflated.

The only "Fundamental Change" that will make a difference is separate church and state. Fire all the mullahs. Ain't gonna happen.

They are just changing crazies for other crazies.

It's just a contest for power, and the fundamentals are still defined by religion.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I have wanted to think for quite some time that the Information Age, Enlightenment, education, whatever would deliver society out of primitive practices. Maybe the deliverance just hasn't been the speed I expect.

I wouldn't expect Iran's or Afghanistan's evolution to be overnight. My very stunted and limited "growth" has taken more than 50 years and it's been a very short path.

I wish Iran all the best and sincerely hope their citizens learn and follow the correct path to progress.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Fundamental change is required in the West.

The days of personal freedoms and glory are gone.

Replaced by utterly stupid dickeads ruling every country in the West, except Switzerland.

I laugh every time there is an "election"

So many promises, and as soon as the selfish dickhead is in place, a 180 degree turn!

London had an idiot running it.

He was up for re-election.

First thing he promised was remove the stupid low ommission laws HE had brough it.

He got re-elected.

Now he has made it worse!

He was asked to asks the public for their approval.

He said he is a very strong leader, he needs no more votes to do whatever he wishes.

Same thing about Mrs Horse Teeth ruling New Zealand.

A Commie in every since!

DEMOCRACY in all its full glory!

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Fundamental change is required in the West.

The days of personal freedoms and glory are gone.

Replaced by utterly stupid dickeads ruling every country in the West, except Switzerland.

I laugh every time there is an "election"

So many promises, and as soon as the selfish dickhead is in place, a 180 degree turn!

London had an idiot running it.

He was up for re-election.

First thing he promised was remove the stupid low ommission laws HE had brough it.

He got re-elected.

Now he has made it worse!

He was asked to asks the public for their approval.

He said he is a very strong leader, he needs no more votes to do whatever he wishes.

Same thing about Mrs Horse Teeth ruling New Zealand.

A Commie in every since!

DEMOCRACY in all its full glory!

Funny post Saeed.

The West needs fundamental change, not the shit hole known as the middle East, not China, not Russia but the West.

I think someone might have snuck a little Lebanese Blonde into your morning biscuit.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Iran first publicly elected government was over thrown by the CIA!

How quickly we forget!

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I have wanted to think for quite some time that the Information Age, Enlightenment, education, whatever would deliver society out of primitive practices. Maybe the deliverance just hasn't been the speed I expect.

I wish Iran all the best and sincerely hope their citizens learn and follow the correct path to progress.

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Regardless of what government system you have, those in charge do whatever they wish.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Iran first publicly elected government was over thrown by the CIA!

How quickly we forget!

With help from Kermit Roosevelt and suitcases of money

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I read in the Wall Street Journal 20 protesters had been pardoned by the Iranian government.