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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So much for being a negotiating tactic. President Trump has signed an Executive Order imposing tariffs on Canada.

Again, unless Congress passes legislation permitting the President to impose tariffs, the President cannot unilaterally impose tariffs. However, respect for constitutional separation of powers has never stopped President Trump nor his boot lickers.

I would not believe a word the equine surgeon says.

I would not be surprised if he saw border crossers burning Texas virgins in sacrifice, only to come here and tell us all is fine bc a R is President.

but who will challenge his executive orders? from what i gather the tariffs are starting this coming tuesday and canada will reply or retaliate before ...

Others are known to challenge his executive orders by filing a lawsuit.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Who are we going to believe. The greatest raisins surgeon or these folks concerning lumber prices:

https://cnr.ncsu.edu/news/2025...rump-administration/

Trump’s proposed tariff would require U.S. companies to pay a 25% tax to the U.S. government when importing Canadian softwood lumber products, with the goal of encouraging those companies to invest in domestic production instead.

U.S. companies would likely attempt to recoup tariff-related losses by raising the price of Canadian softwood lumber, which would potentially impact the housing market by making building materials more expensive.

“Tariffs unequivocally work towards pushing domestic lumber prices higher. When that happens, it usually adds up to higher costs for consumers,” Parajuli said.

When domestic lumber prices rise, U.S. companies benefit from increased profits as U.S. consumers have to pay more money for imported lumber, at least as long as demand for building materials and other lumber products remains steady.

Parajuli highlighted the 2006 U.S.–Canada Softwood Lumber Agreement as an example of how tariffs can impact the supply chain. The agreement essentially allowed Canadian provinces to charge an export tax on softwood lumber purchased by U.S. companies.

Under the agreement, which was active until 2015, U.S. lumber producers gained $1.6 billion and U.S. consumers lost $2.3 billion as softwood lumber imports from Canada declined by 7.78% in the months when export taxes took effect.

“U.S. consumers not only paid producers’ gains, but also the losses that resulted from the export taxes,” Parajuli said.

Dr. Easter is lying to all of you. He knows these tariffs will be a hammer to our economy. He does not care because he has a hone paid for. He does not care because it is an R doing it. If President Biden attempted to harm our economy like Trump has w these tariffs, Dr. Easter would be leading the charge.

He is a lier and a hypocrite.

What I believe is the checkout attendant at the lumberyard.

I buy, remodel (have a carpenter partner), and resell houses. So far my bills haven’t gone up.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Oh, and Dr. Eater true to form tries to marginalize those who refute his nonsense.

The author and the quote are not clerks at a lumbar yard. The quote is from a tenure tract professor of forest economics and policy at NC State.

A person who knows what he speaks. A person who is not an uninformed, misleading political hack.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Who are we going to believe. The greatest raisins surgeon or these folks concerning lumber prices:

https://cnr.ncsu.edu/news/2025...rump-administration/

Trump’s proposed tariff would require U.S. companies to pay a 25% tax to the U.S. government when importing Canadian softwood lumber products, with the goal of encouraging those companies to invest in domestic production instead.

U.S. companies would likely attempt to recoup tariff-related losses by raising the price of Canadian softwood lumber, which would potentially impact the housing market by making building materials more expensive.

“Tariffs unequivocally work towards pushing domestic lumber prices higher. When that happens, it usually adds up to higher costs for consumers,” Parajuli said.

When domestic lumber prices rise, U.S. companies benefit from increased profits as U.S. consumers have to pay more money for imported lumber, at least as long as demand for building materials and other lumber products remains steady.

Parajuli highlighted the 2006 U.S.–Canada Softwood Lumber Agreement as an example of how tariffs can impact the supply chain. The agreement essentially allowed Canadian provinces to charge an export tax on softwood lumber purchased by U.S. companies.

Under the agreement, which was active until 2015, U.S. lumber producers gained $1.6 billion and U.S. consumers lost $2.3 billion as softwood lumber imports from Canada declined by 7.78% in the months when export taxes took effect.

“U.S. consumers not only paid producers’ gains, but also the losses that resulted from the export taxes,” Parajuli said.

Dr. Easter is lying to all of you. He knows these tariffs will be a hammer to our economy. He does not care because he has a hone paid for. He does not care because it is an R doing it. If President Biden attempted to harm our economy like Trump has w these tariffs, Dr. Easter would be leading the charge.

He is a lier and a hypocrite.

What I believe is the checkout attendant at the lumberyard.

I buy, remodel (have a carpenter partner), and resell houses. So far my bills haven’t gone up.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Who are we going to believe. The greatest raisins surgeon or these folks concerning lumber prices:

https://cnr.ncsu.edu/news/2025...rump-administration/

Trump’s proposed tariff would require U.S. companies to pay a 25% tax to the U.S. government when importing Canadian softwood lumber products, with the goal of encouraging those companies to invest in domestic production instead.

U.S. companies would likely attempt to recoup tariff-related losses by raising the price of Canadian softwood lumber, which would potentially impact the housing market by making building materials more expensive.

“Tariffs unequivocally work towards pushing domestic lumber prices higher. When that happens, it usually adds up to higher costs for consumers,” Parajuli said.

When domestic lumber prices rise, U.S. companies benefit from increased profits as U.S. consumers have to pay more money for imported lumber, at least as long as demand for building materials and other lumber products remains steady.

Parajuli highlighted the 2006 U.S.–Canada Softwood Lumber Agreement as an example of how tariffs can impact the supply chain. The agreement essentially allowed Canadian provinces to charge an export tax on softwood lumber purchased by U.S. companies.

Under the agreement, which was active until 2015, U.S. lumber producers gained $1.6 billion and U.S. consumers lost $2.3 billion as softwood lumber imports from Canada declined by 7.78% in the months when export taxes took effect.

“U.S. consumers not only paid producers’ gains, but also the losses that resulted from the export taxes,” Parajuli said.

Dr. Easter is lying to all of you. He knows these tariffs will be a hammer to our economy. He does not care because he has a hone paid for. He does not care because it is an R doing it. If President Biden attempted to harm our economy like Trump has w these tariffs, Dr. Easter would be leading the charge.

He is a lier and a hypocrite.

What I believe is the checkout attendant at the lumberyard.

I buy, remodel (have a carpenter partner), and resell houses. So far my bills haven’t gone up.

What are you lying about Mike? Your nose is growing!

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Originally posted by JTEX:
There is a,lot of penis measuring going on here.....but I wonder why when we have millions of acres of timber land here in the US we need to import so much Canadian lumber? Our timber is easily our most read renewable resource.

Why do we need to import Canadian crude?

Ill tell you why. Government regulations and special interest.

We need to put our loggers to work.....reduce some forest fires maybe.....drill baby drill, for sure.

We need to hold, especially our southern neighbor (that gaping chest wound that is mayheeco) accountable for all the illegals from south America they are funneling to us, not to mention the drugs coming across our southern border.

What we've done for the last four years was a patent failure....do you all just want more of the same?

I dont.

I dont want to pay higher taxes to get us out of this mess, government will just use the money to buy votes anyway.....I'd much rather see more Americans working and us business making more money and paying taxes to pay this mess down.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Jim, maybe you need to read up on tariffs. Did the Trump tariffs last term increase US manufacturing jobs? Nope. The tariffs Trump imposed on Chinese goods in 2018 had a net negative effect on manufacturing jobs as well overall U.S. employment. The Federal Reserve Board found that the tariffs caused a reduction in manufacturing employment of 1.4%. Modest gains (0.3%) achieved by shielding domestic producers from foreign competition were “more than offset” by rising production costs for manufacturers who used steel as an input (-1.1%) and retaliatory tariffs (-0.7%).

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . please share with me where I ever said tariffs imposed by either side make sense. I’ll wait.



Guess why the Dems left the Trump tariffs in place? Because tariffs work effectively as tax increases. And the only party that likes tax increases more than the Reps is the Dems. The Tax Foundation estimates the 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10 percent tariffs on China will shrink economic output by 0.4 percent and increase taxes by $1.2 trillion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $830 per US household in 2025. The tariffs on Canada and Mexico alone would increase taxes by $958 billion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $670 per US household in 2025. The first Trump tariffs imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades. History shows tariffs raise prices and reduce available quantities of goods and services for US businesses and consumers, resulting in lower income, reduced employment, and lower economic output. But let’s not talk about that. It’s easier for the MAGAts to just think of tariffs like a stick you poke in the other country’s eye . . . all the while wondering how you got a splinter in your own eye.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Oh, and Dr. Eater true to form tries to marginalize those who refute his nonsense.

The author and the quote are not clerks at a lumbar yard. The quote is from a tenure tract professor of forest economics and policy at NC State.

A person who knows what he speaks. A person who is not an uninformed, misleading political hack.

it's okay, stevie-poo and little mike will be right along to say some off topic stuff, hoping to make themselves feel better .. dopamine is a hell of a drug

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . please share with me where I ever said tariffs imposed by either side make sense. I’ll wait.



Guess why the Dems left the Trump tariffs in place? Because tariffs work effectively as tax increases. And the only party that likes tax increases more than the Reps is the Dems. The Tax Foundation estimates the 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10 percent tariffs on China will shrink economic output by 0.4 percent and increase taxes by $1.2 trillion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $830 per US household in 2025. The tariffs on Canada and Mexico alone would increase taxes by $958 billion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $670 per US household in 2025. The first Trump tariffs imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades. History shows tariffs raise prices and reduce available quantities of goods and services for US businesses and consumers, resulting in lower income, reduced employment, and lower economic output. But let’s not talk about that. It’s easier for the MAGAts to just think of tariffs like a stick you poke in the other country’s eye . . . all the while wondering how you got a splinter in your own eye.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Oh, and Dr. Eater true to form tries to marginalize those who refute his nonsense.

The author and the quote are not clerks at a lumbar yard. The quote is from a tenure tract professor of forest economics and policy at NC State.

A person who knows what he speaks. A person who is not an uninformed, misleading political hack.

it's okay, stevie-poo and little mike will be right along to say some off topic stuff, hoping to make themselves feel better .. dopamine is a hell of a drug

Daisy, go lay down honey. We don't need any ankles nipped.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Ouch, my ankle....stop Daisey before you break the skin. Now go lay down honey.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . please share with me where I ever said tariffs imposed by either side make sense. I’ll wait.



Guess why the Dems left the Trump tariffs in place? Because tariffs work effectively as tax increases. And the only party that likes tax increases more than the Reps is the Dems. The Tax Foundation estimates the 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10 percent tariffs on China will shrink economic output by 0.4 percent and increase taxes by $1.2 trillion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $830 per US household in 2025. The tariffs on Canada and Mexico alone would increase taxes by $958 billion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $670 per US household in 2025. The first Trump tariffs imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades. History shows tariffs raise prices and reduce available quantities of goods and services for US businesses and consumers, resulting in lower income, reduced employment, and lower economic output. But let’s not talk about that. It’s easier for the MAGAts to just think of tariffs like a stick you poke in the other country’s eye . . . all the while wondering how you got a splinter in your own eye.

Just a couple of points to make:
1) Our federal government has spent itself into a tremendous hole. Both sides to blame. That said, a new plan has to be made to reduce that deficit.

2) In 2019, pre COVID under the height of Trump’s prior term…none of the negatives in your post were reality. Goods were plentiful and relatively cheap. Unemployment was low. Income was relatively high. And GDP was increasing. Without COVID, Trump would have sailed into a second term on economic prosperity of the time.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . please share with me where I ever said tariffs imposed by either side make sense. I’ll wait.



Guess why the Dems left the Trump tariffs in place? Because tariffs work effectively as tax increases. And the only party that likes tax increases more than the Reps is the Dems. The Tax Foundation estimates the 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10 percent tariffs on China will shrink economic output by 0.4 percent and increase taxes by $1.2 trillion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $830 per US household in 2025. The tariffs on Canada and Mexico alone would increase taxes by $958 billion between 2025 and 2034 on a conventional basis, amounting to an average tax increase of more than $670 per US household in 2025. The first Trump tariffs imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades. History shows tariffs raise prices and reduce available quantities of goods and services for US businesses and consumers, resulting in lower income, reduced employment, and lower economic output. But let’s not talk about that. It’s easier for the MAGAts to just think of tariffs like a stick you poke in the other country’s eye . . . all the while wondering how you got a splinter in your own eye.

Just a couple of points to make:
1) Our federal government has spent itself into a tremendous hole. Both sides to blame. That said, a new plan has to be made to reduce that deficit.

2) In 2019, pre COVID under the height of Trump’s prior term…none of the negatives in your post were reality. Goods were plentiful and relatively cheap. Unemployment was low. Income was relatively high. And GDP was increasing. Without COVID, Trump would have sailed into a second term on economic prosperity of the time.

. . . so, if this is just the latest greatest effort to tax our way to a deficit reduction, why doesn't The Esteemed Leader just say that is the case? Why does he send his new press liaison toy out there to say it is in some way related to tens of millions of fentanyl deaths? (By the way, you being a statistical wizard and all, the highest number of fentanyl deaths in any year in the US was approximately 75,000. If there have been tens of millions of fentanyl deaths, at 75,000 a year, fentanyl has been killing folks in the US since around the 1890's.)