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'Most dangerous person ever': Trump general reportedly warns he's 'fascist to the core'

The whole video is informative

https://thehill.com/policy/def...ous-milley-woodward/

Milley calls Trump ‘a fascist to the core’ in new Woodward book
by Ellen Mitchell - 10/11/24 5:15 PM ET

There’s an old saying,

“There is none so blind as he who will not see.”

The astonishing willful blindness of millions of Americans could very well lead the world into its darkest period in recorded history.

https://thehill.com/policy/def...ous-milley-woodward/

Here's some excerpts from the article:

Milley, who was chair under Trump and President Biden, also fears he would be court-martialed should Trump win the presidency next month because the commander in chief has power over retired commissioned officers and can recall them to active duty and court-martial them.

Such a situation is not out of the realm of possibility because Trump has often voiced his desire to take revenge on those who have spoken out against him.

“He is the most dangerous person ever. I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country,” Milley told Woodward for the book “War,” which was previewed by The Guardian. “A fascist to the core.”

“He is a walking, talking advertisement of what he’s going to try to do,” Milley warned former colleagues, according to Woodward. “He’s saying it and it’s not just him, it’s the people around him.”

Woodward cites Steve Bannon, a former senior Trump adviser, who earlier this year gave a list of people he believes Trump should go after if he is elected to a second term, including Milley, former FBI directors Andrew McCabe and James Comey, former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and former Attorney General Bill Barr.

“We’re gonna hold him accountable,” Bannon says of Milley in the book.

Trump has previously sought to recall and court-martial retired senior officers who have criticized him. In a 2020 Oval Office meeting with Milley and Esper, Trump’s second confirmed secretary of Defense, the then-president “yelled” and “shouted” about two former military officials, William McRaven and Stanley McChrystal, Woodward writes.

McRaven, a former admiral who led the 2011 raid in Pakistan in which US special forces killed Osama bin Laden, had written a piece for the Washington Post about Trump, saying “there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil.”

And McChrystal, a retired special forces general whose men killed al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq in 2006, made comments on CNN calling Trump “immoral” and “dishonest.”

Trump called Milley and Esper to the White House and pushed the two to take care of the retired officials, but they pressed him not to seek to punish McRaven and McChrystal.

“The president didn’t want to hear it,” so Milley promised Trump he would “‘take care of this,’” according to Woodward.

Milley then called McRaven and McChrystal and warned them to “pull it back” and “step off the public stage.”

Woodward also wrote of Milley receiving “a non-stop barrage of death threats” since he retired last year, saying he has installed bullet-proof glass and blast-proof curtains at his home at his own expense.

Milley has often spoken out against Trump and relayed stories from his time in the Joint Chiefs from 2019 to 2023.

In a speech during his retirement ceremony, Milley infamously appeared to directly refer to Trump, who was then seeking to become the Republican presidential nominee.

“We don’t take an oath to a king, or queen, or tyrant or a dictator, and we don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator,” Milley said. “We don’t take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the Constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is America, and we’re willing to die to protect it.”

Woodward’s book has also revealed several other bombshells, including that Trump sent COVID-19 testing machines to Russian President Vladimir Putin for personal use in 2020 at the height of the pandemic and that he has had at least seven phone calls with Putin since leaving office.

so, suddenly, you "think" of miley as an authority to be trusted .. or is it just confirmation bias?

I can't say, that's on you

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
so, suddenly, you "think" of miley as an authority to be trusted .. or is it just confirmation bias?

I can't say, that's on you

Did you ever work one-on-one with Donald Trump?
Were you ever in personal meetings with him, to hear what he really thought?
Do you really think you know better than someone who has?
..and not just someONE, but scores of highly placed insiders who have publicly declared him unfit for office.

nah, which is exactly the same experience as you, and entirely NOT the point of the post -

ME labeled this thread "I appeal to authority - Milley"

which my question comes from -- not really interested in your opinions about my post, more interesting in ME stating that he now chooses a GOP war hawk as an "authority" ...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
nah, which is exactly the same experience as you, and entirely NOT the point of the post -

ME labeled this thread "I appeal to authority - Milley"

which my question comes from -- not really interested in your opinions about my post, more interesting in ME stating that he now chooses a GOP war hawk as an "authority" ...

You've really gone off the rails. Milley is a thousand times more credible than trump, and was as inside to know as it gets.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
so, suddenly, you "think" of miley as an authority to be trusted .. or is it just confirmation bias?

I can't say, that's on you

So, suddenly you think Milley's opinions aren't to be trusted? Or is it just your confirmation bias?

I could say, but that's on you.

Jeffee, call the Trumpism Hotline - today.

https://youtu.be/vZjFHXNSt9E?si=j5Zgl8AfEnn5EN3j

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

no one is questioning milley - the question was an avowed lefty taking him, who until 5 minutes before was the ENEMY to the left, taking milley as an authority - which they had never done before

WHO .. repeat, WHO, is questioning milley?

literally no one did that, scott -- the words are right there .. in the title
I appeal to authority - Milley

it's almost like kabob was quoting Bush II

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
nah, which is exactly the same experience as you, and entirely NOT the point of the post -

ME labeled this thread "I appeal to authority - Milley"

which my question comes from -- not really interested in your opinions about my post, more interesting in ME stating that he now chooses a GOP war hawk as an "authority" ...

You've really gone off the rails. Milley is a thousand times more credible than trump, and was as inside to know as it gets.

When was the last time you saw a substantive post from this jackass?

His whole purpose in life, at least here, has become tossing grade-school insults at his betters, which is most everybody.

It's sad...

Jeffe,
Who on earth would think Milley is the enemy? Has anyone said that or did you just infer it? Even the liberals here seem to support our military.

I still think you should switch to sugar free Kool-Aid, it sure couldn't hurt

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

no one is questioning milley - the question was an avowed lefty taking him, who until 5 minutes before was the ENEMY to the left, taking milley as an authority - which they had never done before

WHO .. repeat, WHO, is questioning milley?

literally no one did that, scott -- the words are right there .. in the title
I appeal to authority - Milley

it's almost like kabob was quoting Bush II

The OP is about Milley and how I deferred to his opinion, along with perhaps millions of others.

Yet, SOP, you try to make it personal.

Didn't you know, Milley is a lefty.

OTOH, he's a sane Rightist. Either is ok with me.

I used the term "appeal to authority" because I was criticized for doing that previously. The presumption was that it's a fallacy. It can also be credible, depending. In Milley's case he's way beyond credible. And there are other high ranking military people mentioned in the article, who are also trustworthy, who had very negative opinions about Trump.

Unlike some, herein, I don't know everything, so trusting those who really know what they are talking about and are qualified is important to me.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

no one is questioning milley - the question was an avowed lefty taking him, who until 5 minutes before was the ENEMY to the left, taking milley as an authority - which they had never done before

WHO .. repeat, WHO, is questioning milley?

literally no one did that, scott -- the words are right there .. in the title
I appeal to authority - Milley

it's almost like kabob was quoting Bush II

The OP is about Milley and how I deferred to his opinion, along with perhaps millions of others.

Yet, SOP, you try to make it personal.

Didn't you know, Milley is a lefty.

OTOH, he's a sane Rightist. Either is ok with me.

I used the term "appeal to authority" because I was criticized for doing that previously. The presumption was that it's a fallacy. It can also be credible, depending. In Milley's case he's way beyond credible. And there are other high ranking military people mentioned in the article, who are also trustworthy, who had very negative opinions about Trump.

Unlike some, herein, I don't know everything, so trusting those who really know what they are talking about and are qualified is important to me.

General Milley has served his Country with honor for decades, a concept alien to Trump and his ilk here, who serve only themselves.

I’m sure Trump would have served valiantly if not for his bone spurs. DUMP TRUMP….

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

no one is questioning milley - the question was an avowed lefty taking him, who until 5 minutes before was the ENEMY to the left, taking milley as an authority - which they had never done before

WHO .. repeat, WHO, is questioning milley?

literally no one did that, scott -- the words are right there .. in the title
I appeal to authority - Milley

it's almost like kabob was quoting Bush II

Given your reaction it seems you have a guilty conscience.i hadn't seen M.E. disparage Milley or any other military before. M.E. has mentioned more than once he is a combat veteran himself.

Milley is apparently quoted by Woodward and I haven't seen a denial yet, so I guess so far Milley said it and believes it.
"Who, repeat who is questioning Milley?" Well so far it seems Trump is as well as his campaign staff. Since you came out of your chair at my post, you seem an obvious suspect.

So Is Miley right? Is Trump the threat Milley is quoted as saying? I still intend to vote other than Harris or Trump, but it won't take much more of this kind of stuff to make me vote for the liberal lady from California, which is not something I'd ever imagined me saying.

Adding to it, Trump saying things like CBS should have its broadcast license suspended pretty much make things worse for him.

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Given your reaction it seems you have a guilty conscience.

Let's not give credit just yet.

Having a conscience and abiding it is the first step to recovery.

The one thing that I've noticed about the Radical Right is they are immune to embarrassment regarding their Trump(ism) support. They make excuses such as false equivalences.

Yes, I know about claims of not voting for Trump, but that's just words. Other words contradict that claim.

Anyway, IMO, not voting AGAINST Trump is a vote for him.

Remember when Obama wore a Tan Suit?

https://youtu.be/WrTf6CaTTc0?si=D8o44u5GuEwZIE7W

Obama's Tan Suit: The Worst Scandal in Presidential History

Well, Kamala wore a Tan Suit, with Bell Bottoms.

https://youtu.be/mnEmieOa660?si=SpEMCMkpsGYkOQcg

Kamala Harris STUNS CROWD

Regarding Obama - speaking:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts...-QzjEk?feature=share

Obama: Remember, 'It was my economy'

https://www.youtube.com/shorts...09wTVw?feature=share

Barack Obama Jokes About Donald Trump Wearing Diapers

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Anyway, IMO, not voting AGAINST Trump is a vote for him.

And that's fine, but I don't.

Theres several here that mirror your thought. Not voting AGAINST Harris is a vote for her. Again, I say no.

I can't be forced to make bad choices all the time. I can't be made to give in to the lesser of two evils. There's no evidence that Harris has been or will be any kind of good for her city, state and nation so for me that's an obvious "no".

If the political parties, organizations or individuals want my vote they need to meet my expectations. I won't vote for bad foreign or domestic policy. I won't vote for liars, seditionists, communists, fascists and probably not atheists either. Where have the candidates and their supporters gone that believe in "Duty, Honor, Country"?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Anyway, IMO, not voting AGAINST Trump is a vote for him.

And that's fine, but I don't.

Theres several here that mirror your thought. Not voting AGAINST Harris is a vote for her. Again, I say no.

I can't be forced to make bad choices all the time. I can't be made to give in to the lesser of two evils. There's no evidence that Harris has been or will be any kind of good for her city, state and nation so for me that's an obvious "no".

If the political parties, organizations or individuals want my vote they need to meet my expectations. I won't vote for bad foreign or domestic policy. I won't vote for liars, seditionists, communists, fascists and probably not atheists either. Where have the candidates and their supporters gone that believe in "Duty, Honor, Country"?

Amen to all of that, Scott. I simply refuse to vote against anyone. I will not compromise my morals to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Doing so only insures you will continue to get evil choices. I’ll live the results regardless of who wins…

I agree with Scott King and JDollar.

No one should be forced to co-sign, endorse, or acquiesce through the vote a political agenda or platform.

There is no way I could have voted for President Biden given his direct, object failure w the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
I still was not going to vote for Trump for all arguments previously made.

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I will not compromise my morals to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

That's definitely NOT what I'm saying or suggesting.

The "lesser of two evils" IS a false equivalence.

It is the excuse I'm talking about. It's a rationalization.

I want to show you examples of decency, which perhaps even you Rinos have forgotten.

This is what MAGA, Trump, Trumpism, the GOP utterly rejected:

https://youtu.be/jrnRU3ocIH4?si=_Uqd_KqMtEVlZYXz

McCain Counters Obama 'Arab' Question'

https://youtu.be/M0u3QJrtgEM?si=9N4dGEP6TTRrtuCN

Remembering John McCain's defense of Barack Obama during 2008 campaign

So, what happened?

To be clear as to what I'm saying - The shift in the political rhetoric from then till now, what Trump is doing ... dramatic is an insufficient word. There is only one reason for it, and reality hasn't changed. It's true in this instance that there are good people on both sides.

It's my opinion that Trump's vile rhetoric has influenced even the RINO's and they won't admit it. They admit it indirectly by making false equivalences with the term "lesser of two evils", and salve their conscious by saying they will vote 3rd party.

I realize you are free to vote your conscience, and respect that, assuming you have a conscience that isn't subdued by ideology.

Furthermore, IMO, to compare Harris and Trump with the term "lesser of two evils" is, to me, and indicator that you have been seduced, and don't know it.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

I will not compromise my morals to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

That's definitely NOT what I'm saying or suggesting.

The "lesser of two evils" IS a false equivalence.

"Lesser of two evils " is a metaphor for two bad choices and you know it.

To the "lesser of,..." (In your opinion,) Harris offers nothing to the conservative voter. Anti gun, failed foreign policy, failed domestic policy. Slogans, promises, platforms and agendas aside, Harris has no resume. As a DA and Attorney General she offered nothing I value, as a senator even less. There is no one in the entire Biden administration I want to see continue on after the next administration takes over and that includes Harris.

Anybody here wanna see a repeat of the cluster fuck that Trump and Biden orchestrated during Corona? Not me. How about a repeat from Trump/ Biden of our smashing victory in Afghanistan and our War on Terror? War on Drugs? War on Poverty?

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"Lesser of two evils " is a metaphor for two bad choices and you know it.

Yes, I know it.

I don't like the word evil because it has Biblical implications. I usually avoid the word but use it here in arguments because others relate to it and use it.

The lesser of two "Bads"??? Then the metaphor loses its sting.

When evaluating Good vs Bad, and the Bad is so bad, it lowers the bar for measuring good.

Yea, Yea, it's all about policy, blah, blah.

Harris has at least ONE thing to offer some conservatives, RINOs in particular. That is a path to get rid of Trump and restore your legitimacy as NOT radicalized conservatives.

Yea we can dream and blame the "establishment" for not giving us better choices. Third party candidates are spoilers, a waste of vote. Stein and Kennedy for example, have NO chance of winning, and no real intent of serving other than self-serving. Play the hand dealt.

You say: "There is no one in the entire Biden administration I want to see continue on after the next administration takes over and that includes Harris."

Well, the choice is clear. There's two alternatives - that's all. One is a stable admin with little turnover. The other is volatile, populated with loyalist Shock Troops, vetted by the Heritage Foundation, pursuant to Project 2025 and the whole civil servant institution gutted and replaced with something perverted to serve an authoritarian regime.

Much of the blame for turmoil and confusion re the pandemic can be attributed to Trump and several other sources of dis/misinformation and of course the radical Right anti-vaxxers. What happened is indeed something to worry about because it's a big clue of what will happen when the next pandemic happens. Who do you want in charge at the top - a liar and dis/misinformation King like Trump, or someone sane?

The same question/scenario applies to international relations. What is the outcome you want with the contest between Ukraine and Russia, between Israel and terrorists? Who is probably the best person and admin to handle that - a liar and con artist who says he can solve it quickly and is owned by Putin, or someone sane?

And really, do you want to put someone who said suspending the constitution is an option and who led an insurrection attempt back in power/office? Or would you, like me, prefer someone sane?

And so forth.

Come on, Scott. Equating Trump and Biden on any issue is a real stretch. Three administrations couldn't either win or withdraw from Afghanistan over twenty years.

Bush II might have defeated the Taliban if we had pressed our advantage; instead, he went off half-cocked and invaded Iraq. So much for putting Republicans in charge.

Obama lacked the guts to solve the problem, and Trump addressed the issue by giving the Taliban everything they wanted--including the country--in his Doha Agreement.

What do you suppose Biden should have done besides withdraw? Leaving weapons and materials there for the Afghan army was based on the miscalculation that they would fight for their country, instead of handing over the weapons to the Taliban.

As for "failed foreign policy," and "failed domestic policy," please give examples.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Come on, Scott. Equating Trump and Biden on any issue is a real stretch. Three administrations couldn't either win or withdraw from Afghanistan over twenty years.

Bush II might have defeated the Taliban if we had pressed our advantage; instead, he went off half-cocked and invaded Iraq. So much for putting Republicans in charge.

Obama lacked the guts to solve the problem, and Trump addressed the issue by giving the Taliban everything they wanted--including the country--in his Doha Agreement.

What do you suppose Biden should have done besides withdraw? Leaving weapons and materials there for the Afghan army was based on the miscalculation that they would fight for their country, instead of handing over the weapons to the Taliban.

As for "failed foreign policy," and "failed domestic policy," please give examples.

Biden had two choices when he took office with just 2,000 troops left in Afghanistan (after Trump withdrew the rest and released 5,000 Taliban prisoners): he could continue the withdrawal Trump had agreed to or he could have redeployed tens of thousands of troops with no clear mission. The Country had already been surrendered to the Taliban by Trump, the troops there were below what the military said were bare minimums for self defense and there was absolutely no appetite in Congress to send a bunch of troops BACK to Afghanistan.

And the equipment the Taliban got was what had been transferred to the Afghan Army, American equipment was removed or destroyed, and we couldn't destroy Afghan equipment with Afghans in it.

Jeff. I agree with most of that. I disagree President Biden could not have deployed 5k troops and held our investment.

There is no doubt in my mind the Taliban would have went on the offensive in 2018.

However, Afghanistan forces defeated them w just US Special Forces On the voting to begin with.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Jeff. I agree with most of that. I disagree President Biden could not have deployed 5k troops and held our investment.

There is no doubt in my mind the Taliban would have went on the offensive in 2018.

However, Afghanistan forces defeated them w just US Special Forces On the voting to begin with.

What investment? Trump surrendered all the airbases except Bagram, retaking enough of them to support the Afghan Army would have required a damned-sight more than 5,000 troops.

Trump intentionally left Biden with a shit sandwich; Biden did the only thing left to him to do.

Don't blame the diner for what the cook served.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Come on, Scott. Equating Trump and Biden on any issue is a real stretch. Three administrations couldn't either win or withdraw from Afghanistan over twenty years.

Bush II might have defeated the Taliban if we had pressed our advantage; instead, he went off half-cocked and invaded Iraq. So much for putting Republicans in charge.

Obama lacked the guts to solve the problem, and Trump addressed the issue by giving the Taliban everything they wanted--including the country--in his Doha Agreement.

What do you suppose Biden should have done besides withdraw? Leaving weapons and materials there for the Afghan army was based on the miscalculation that they would fight for their country, instead of handing over the weapons to the Taliban.

As for "failed foreign policy," and "failed domestic policy," please give examples.

R, it worries and bothers me a bit that I find myself of all people explaining this.

We hire people, we elect people to win, to succeed. To conquer.

Maybe it's to only win at gardening or washing the car, maybe it's only to succeed at our business accounting or fixing a flat tire but we hire them to get the job done successfully, to win.

"Gosh, they did the best they could!", or, "they just couldn't help failing!" Just doesn't cut it when hiring a chef or fishing guide. The carpenter you hire to replace your door or windows needs to conquer the task. The door needs to close and latch nicely. The window needs to stay in the wall and seal out the rain and bugs.

Why in the hell are you going to pay a nickel to or rehire the guy who fails with the excuse of, "the guy here before me,...."

You guarantee failure if you let your new hire use the guy before him as an excuse for their failure.

So as for Biden, he's failed in Afghanistan, failed generally in the M.E., failed at the border and failed with corona. Ukraine and DPRK are certainly a failure as is our national budget and debt.

Point me to this gleaming, shining success of Biden! Would you say there was room for improvement in his transition of candidacy to Harris? I would. We've generally agreed here that gun violence is a problem for our nation, what would you say he's championed to change that? I think we here agreed gun safety/ education in the school as well as subsidized gun lockers in the home was a step in the right direction, why are we coming up with that instead of our hired "rulers" that are supposed to?

Come on Man.

Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

"Point to me this gleaming, shining success of Biden"

Afghanistan? Border? School shooting? Iran? Climate change?

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

"Point to me this gleaming, shining success of Biden"

Afghanistan? Border? School shooting? Iran? Climate change?

Every economic expert predicted a deep recession or a depression in the wake of Trump, Biden engineered not only a recovery but the leading economy in the world, with an unprecedented return of manufacturing and job creation while making the U.S. the undisputed leading energy producer on the planet and he broke OPEC's power with smart use of the Strategic Reserve while actually turning a profit. He's made a great start toward restoring our crumbling infrastructure despite Republican resistance (though they show up at every ribbon-cutting for projects they voted against) and has substantially improved Medicaid/Medicare's fiscal standing with authority to negotiate drug prices on at least some drugs, overcoming the long-standing Republican protection racket on behalf of Big Pharma.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

"Point to me this gleaming, shining success of Biden"

Afghanistan? Border? School shooting? Iran? Climate change?

Every economic expert predicted a deep recession or a depression in the wake of Trump, Biden engineered not only a recovery but the leading economy in the world, with an unprecedented return of manufacturing and job creation while making the U.S. the undisputed leading energy producer on the planet and he broke OPEC's power with smart use of the Strategic Reserve while actually turning a profit. He's made a great start toward restoring our crumbling infrastructure despite Republican resistance (though they show up at every ribbon-cutting for projects they voted against) and has substantially improved Medicaid/Medicare's fiscal standing with authority to negotiate drug prices on at least some drugs, overcoming the long-standing Republican protection racket on behalf of Big Pharma.

Come on Man.
Biden wandered the halls while America digested the wads of cash from corona handouts. We spent a bunch of money, paid a little taxes and ballooned the debt.

As for oil, it looks like when Congress allowed foreign exports of out petroleum in the late 20teens extraction took off in the States. I don't remember Biden being president then and predictions apparently have us exporting til 2050.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61584

Biden was VP when we approved petroleum exports, signed by Obama on Dec. 18th 2015 and passed by a Republican congress. One of those thing we used to do...bi-partisan solutions to America's problems.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Biden was VP when we approved petroleum exports, signed by Obama on Dec. 18th 2015 and passed by a Republican congress. One of those thing we used to do...bi-partisan solutions to America's problems.

I like it.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

"Point to me this gleaming, shining success of Biden"

Afghanistan? Border? School shooting? Iran? Climate change?

Maybe MTG is right and Biden is responsible for the hurricanes too!

School shootings Biden's fault? Iran? Climate change his fault too?

Come on, Scott.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
Biden is far from a failure, you're exaggerating horribly. trump was/is a huge failure.

"Point to me this gleaming, shining success of Biden"

Afghanistan? Border? School shooting? Iran? Climate change?

Maybe MTG is right and Biden is responsible for the hurricanes too!

School shootings Biden's fault? Iran? Climate change his fault too?

Come on, Scott.

No, no, Biden was hired for solutions. The People elected Biden to win. It wasn't Bidens fault until after the end of his tenure and he'd solved nothing.

I don't accept hiring a person to take care of a problem or complete a task and they don't. Why would you hire me to take you flyfishing on the Agulowok river if I don't take you flyfishing on the Agulowok?

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

It's mentioned here that General Milley received 4 bronze stars.

It's appalling to me anyone would consider questioning his word or integrity.

Of course, they were handing out Bronze Stars to every company commander in Afghanistan, so there is that. Nonetheless, I believe virtually everyone is likely to be more credible than Trump.
Calling someone out for accepting Milley as an authority is simply being argumentative for the sake of argument.
If voting against Trump didn't require voting for Kamala, more people might do it. We have been offered the choice between bullshit and horse shit. Neither is a palatable option, and that's the truth. Regards, Bill