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I for one refuse to give you a pass on what you did to us by helping elect a convicted felon, tax-dodging, woman abusing, self-aggrandizing, serial adulterer and chronic liar to the most powerful position on the planet. To ruin us financially and security-wise, destroy our reputation, sell our public lands, gut environmental laws, and treat illegal aliens like dogs. You own that mistake of shoddy judgment. You're going to preach about Americans being divided enough? When you voted for the Great Divider who is now trying to usurp power from both Congress and the courts? You're a laugh a minute. You don't even see the irony, I bet. More laughter at that thought. Easy enough to be magnanimous when your own detestable candidate has won the election. Be honest now: character doesn't matter a whit to you and your ilk. How could it? That's like asking how you can sleep nights or look in a mirror. Questions that doubtless never occur to you, and are unfathomable to thinking people. We will never be friends. We'll never belong to the same club, group, team, or tribe. I'll never share a beer with you. As a patriot, I see your actions as a betrayal of America. I have met the enemy, and he is YOU. | |||
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Yeah Steve. I'm a patriot too. That means my vote should count double over everyone else, just like it says in the constitution! ![]() ( in case you missed the post, rolland is smarter than everyone else, and said his vote is worth more) | |||
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Epic liberal totalitarian elitist meltdown opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Edited: Roland and jeffee and TB40 posted while I was still writing. For the record, I don't agree with Roland's post at all. That kind of rant vent is not constructive and serves no good purpose. I just hope he got it out of his system and comes back to his senses. I can forgive him and hope we all can. ============================================= Wow, Scott and lavaca, that's a load for thought. I did a little light reading on the definitions of antisemitism and evil just to be sure I am on the same page regarding the usage and meaning of the words. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism Scroll down to Religious antisemitism: Excerpt: Although the origins of antisemitism are rooted in the Judeo-Christian conflict, other forms of antisemitism have developed in modern times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil#Christianity Christianity and Islam Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil#Christianity Devil and fallen angles ================================================ I'm not so sure that bad behavior, evil, as deemed from today's perspective is not evolutionary. Chimps for example wage war and cannibalize. Not that we came from chimps, but our DNA tells that we are related. But I agree with you that it is taught. We're not borne republican or democrat, redneck or elite, etc., we are taught in various ways. For example, the notion that Harvard University is evil isn't simply a fact. The idea that it is comes from years of accumulated opinions which are also not facts. Thus that notion was taught. It has morphed so far that lavaca now claims Harvard is evil and antisemite. It's a form of justification for fighting perceived evil with evil. Even if true, two wrongs don't make a right. I agree with you that views on evil can be religious or humanitarian based and come to the same conclusions. However I believe humanitarian conclusions are more objective or rational. For example, by using the word "entity" describing evil, you are implying the devil. IMO, evil is not an entity. I think that what we deem evil, past and present and perhaps future, is a combination of learned, and evolutionary, perhaps intrinsic in our nature, and run amuck, lacking personal and cultural restraints. If we could rid ourselves of it, that would have happened long ago. But we can call it what it is. =============================================================
************* Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots. Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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I dont believe in "evil" And your post spells it out perfectly, to me, Kabob. Thankyou. | |||
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Thanks TB40. I don't mean to make this complicated. But I think of evil as circular in that it's cause and effect and effect and cause. IMO, it's the effect or outcome or consequence of the end justifies the means, and we can see how that circles or boomerangs back. Our collective restraints/constraints are in the secular rule of law, which is specifically about the means justifies the end. There have been numerous events in history where religion failed in that regard. For example, deeming God's will including ideas such as "God's Chosen People". IMO, this whole Christian Nationalism movement is failing us now in that regard. And I'll just say it: I think Bibi is acting on the principle of the end justifies the means, consequentialism to the core. The consequence he wants is obvious. If the consequence is deemed good, by the powers that be, then the means is whatever it takes. Plus he is avoiding his own prosecution as long as he stays in power. ************* Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots. Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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To me, the word "evil" is simply an excuse to project ones beliefs. In that respect, the same could be said for "good". History shows us who is evil is determined by the ones that claim it first and loudest. But, that doesnt mean the claim cant change. Winners usually decide that. A serial killer isnt evil, they are sick. They should be identified and put down for the continuance of society without panic. But, the label "evil" for some reason settles people better. | |||
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BTW: House Speaker Mike Johnson proclaimed that he will single-handed destroy the separation of church and state during a recent interview. ======================================= Perhaps this sheriff looks Jewish. https://youtube.com/shorts/HUc...?si=WVqSYPfrGELGdgbJ https://youtube.com/shorts/0xz...?si=soa_fVoWm-XfW8I6 Full Metal Jacket | “Where Did They Learn to Shoot?” – Marine Corps Pride or Nightmare? ************* Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots. Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Receipt? If he said that, it's grounds for replacement in my book. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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He says it somewhere in this interview. I didn't listen to the whole thing because I can't stand to listen to the man. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...IAo?ocid=socialshare He also said something like this nation is unique because it was founded on Christian beliefs. What he doesn't say or believe is that this nation is unique because of separation of church and state with a secular constitution and rule of law. Think of it - Israel does not recognize separation of church and state, nor does all the Islamic countries. There's the church of England, etc. We can see a problem therein, but Christians can't see the problem they want. Fortunately the Founders saw it. Now Christians want to "correct" all that. ************* Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots. Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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When I get back to where my copy of the book is, let's continue this discussion about Church & State, the founders beliefs about a "Christian founding". The book "The 5000 Year Leap", shows direct writings from the founders, how and why they pursued the things that they did. They modeled our societal norms and written laws, after the Leviticus, that can't be denied. They also never once said "Separation of Church and State" and they were not deists as is the popular belief. But, I don't have the book with me, to post direct writings from the federalist papers. I appreciate debating you, due to your calm, factual demeanor. We may perceive "facts" differently, but neither one of us ever resort to name-calling or diminishing the other. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Suppose we're in a boat in stormy seas. Water starts coming over the gunnels. Some of us grab buckets and bail. Then we notice that others among the crew are drilling holes in the hull. And you think the rest of us should make friends with and forgive the hole-drillers? I decline. The hole-drillers have cost our nation wealth, made our society even more divisive, and hurt our goodwill abroad. People in other countries are laughing at us--when they're not hating us. The hole-drillers are trying to grab power from the courts (the way they already neutered Congress) and institute a Christian theocracy. Ignoring the Constitution to do so. They treat illegal migrants like animals...but that's all right, because we're all good ole boys. I don't require your forgiveness. | |||
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You're a liar, theback40. I never said that. I said that in my ideal voting system, people would get extra votes for owning property, educating themselves, and accomplishing valuable things like starting a business. In other words, more votes for more skin in the game. As I recall, I also said my system was unworkable and probably unconstitutional. Go make stuff up about someone else. My post wasn't addressed to you. | |||
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I disagree. There is such a thing as evil. Child abuse is evil. Adultery is evil. So are other crimes. Serial killers are evil. Psychopaths are not sick; they simply have no conscience. If psychopaths were sick, like someone with schizophrenia, they would have a legal excuse for their killings. | |||
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For a few years we had a kid on the farm who Id be sure was a psychopath. From a very young age he showed a willingness to violence when told no. Later on problems became recognisable and other kids or animals had accidents when no one was looking. At times you could see him get an idea, and the look on his face was chilling. Dark-red-a smirk of enjoyment that's hard to describe. A lot of work was done to encourage good behaviour through rewards, with rewards being removed for bad behaviour. I dont think it made much difference except to make him more cunning. I often wonder what happened to him, he'd be in his 20s now. But in same breath im glad we have no contact. | |||
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oh, there's no probably about it -- what you are saying is that some people deserve more say -- that's called an aristocracy -- and its totally unconstitutional - any 6th grader could have told you that -- oh, but little jimmy, i have AT LEAST equal degrees, higher specializations, and at least meet you in every context that you would define as being successful, oh, and i read the complete works of old bill before i was a teenager, which took you till college -- do i get DOUBLE your votes? smarter? glad you don't own that one, as it's readily disprovable, stating with exhibit A, your statement that you aren't opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I dont give a shit if you disagree Rolland. The part where I said " to me" means it's my belief. I dont care about yours. Given what you wrote, and jeffe has it saved if you would like to read it again, I stand by what I said in my first post, you are the liar. | |||
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Yeah, go ahead and post what I said. Prove up, or shut up. And apologize for lying. I don't recall exactly what I said, but I'm sure I didn't say what you claim. If you prove up on your claim, I'll apologize for calling you a liar. | |||
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Your belief isn't worth much in the face of PET scans showing the area of the brain where the conscience resides is dim or non-existent in psychopaths. They are not "sick." Your belief defies the medical and legal evidence that psychopaths are not sick. | |||
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Not in the slightest. True or not, they have been going around for thousands of years saying so as well as most of the Western world. Christians from as far away as Ethiopia, South Africa, Chile and Nothern Alaska consider the Jews to be God's Chosen People. If you think they're all absurd that's all well and fine. The Mormons for Pete's Sake latched onto our native Americans as a lost tribe of Israel, (jews). So if it isn't true, if they Jews aren't the historical God's Chosen People, why the hate? Other historically attacked tribes like Italians and Irish, African, Slavic, Oriental or Aboriginal haven't been attacked with the international hate that Israel has been. When the Tutsis and Hutus went after each other in Rwanda some 7 or 800k were murdered? Nobody outside Rwanda seem to care much either way. Why have Jews been targeted for elimination in Europe, Asia, America, Africa,...... Said another way, what then or now, what in the entire history of Judiasm or the Jewish people or Israel have they ever done to earn the ire of the lesbian students at Colombia University? For any Western student of any creed and color but especially white lesbians to advocate for Hamas defies belief. Those student know better, they all know very well that the terrorists like Hamas that they advocate for would murder them with indifference and yet the support removing Israel from "The River to the Sea". Now tell me how the evil that drives all this isn't an entity. It makes me gag to type it, but rape as we know is the assailant being sexually aroused by forcing themselves on a person that doesn't want to be. That can't be taught or led to or convinced of, that's evil as a controlling force. | |||
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Scott, I'm not convinced that the Jews are what they say they are, if they claim to be God's chosen people. I don't care how long they've been claiming it. To you, I guess, they are the historical God's chosen people because their Torah says so. Just about every culture on earth thinks they're God's chosen people. The name they call themselves usually translates as "the people." As I recall, one such "the people" is the Inupiat culture of NW Alaska. I don't know what white lesbians have to do with it. Lots of people right now don't like what Israel is doing to the people of Gaza. I'm one of them. That doesn't mean I hate the Jews. I was raised Catholic and was not taught the Jews are God's chosen people. They once were--in the OT. But that changed when the Church began accepting non-Jews as Christians. The modern Church teaches that we're all God's chosen people. No one starts life with either an advantage or disadvantage so far as salvation is concerned. What does it do to your self-esteem to be a Christian and believe that someone else is more favored out of the gate than you are? | |||
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You and I were born more privileged than almost everyone on the planet so my self esteem is fine. I was taught the same as you so the OT teaching and instruction is dated and superseded. But the question remains unanswered by you, if the Jews, if Israel isn't some kind of special, why the global hate? Why do American students at Colombia University or KKK members from Alabama hate jews more than Armenians or Guatemalans? If the Jews aren't hated for their Biblical history then what is it? I think it's an entity of evil on a seek and destroy mission. I'm available for alternative conclusions. | |||
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Voting for Commie Bimbo Kamala is no different! ![]() | |||
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Kamela was not a good choice. But at least she isn't: - a convicted felon; - a tax cheat; - a sexual abuser; - a serial adulterer; or - a draft evader. | |||
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All true. But WHY her! An utterly brainless IDIOT! Trump only won because of her! ![]() | |||
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Well rolland, as you cannot scientifically prove evil, where does it leave it but a belief? I hope jeffe reads this and posts your rant, but... you went on about your 2 post grad degrees. And a direct quote you made- " you should get an extra vote for having a college degree" More rambling about unwashed masses and so on. Harris was evil in your eyes? Willie Brown was still married when she hooked up with him, adultery = evil right? | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Oh, honey, by your own statements, YOU are a hole driller in your little analogy -- you REFUSE to acknowledge that the prior admin was at least equally horrible -- but your handle of rolland (you might look up hero complex) is fitting "i am not a hole driller" ... yeah, yeah, you are --
Like every other elitist, wannabe aristocrat, if it's isn't EXACTLY your way, it's wrong -- oh, little jimmy, tell us you've been "picked on" your entire life -- and then tell us it wasn't your fault -- opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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oops, rolland. There it is. | |||
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I'm sad to see such harsh disagreement with Roland. I disagreed with him but I think not harshly. I have my reasons, and I can see his POV. I'm just resistant to it because I think it's sour, and hurts me more than others. I agree with him that Trumpism is evil. Responses or reaction to it is the issue. Maybe calling it what it is bluntly, and repercussions regarding friendships, relationships, etc. is okay. I'm not alone in suffering it's effect with family members, etc. And Scott, you raise an interesting concept re "evil". You insist that it's an entity. I think of an entity as something tangible, directly, physically, not indirectly. But anyway I looked up a few words just to get my bearings. Looking up "entity" didn't get me there. This needs context and perspective. I'm still sure that when you say evil the entity, you mean the devil or Satan. So I looked that up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan Excerpt: Satan, also known as the Devil, is a devilish entity in Abrahamic religions who seduces humans into sin (or falsehood). In Judaism, Satan is seen as an agent subservient to God, typically regarded as a metaphor for the yetzer hara, or 'evil inclination'. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel or jinn who has rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons. In the Quran, Iblis (Shaitan), the leader of the devils (shayāṭīn), is made of fire who was cast out of Heaven because he refused to bow before the newly created Adam and incites humans to sin by infecting their minds with waswās ('evil suggestions'). Then I followed the link within the article to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-physical_entity In ontology and the philosophy of mind, a non-physical entity is an object that exists outside physical reality. And further reading - Abstract concepts - Spirits, etc. =========================================================== So, you see, I claim to be agnostic, which also pertains to the existence of a non-physical entity, being, spirit, or whatever called Satan. Bottom line, I don't believe evil is an entity stirring or influencing bad behavior in mankind. I don't know the word to call it but I think it's homegrown, cultivated, watered, fertilized and spread like thistles in the fields of mankind's minds. It's not something out there, but in there instead. Whatever it is, evil and religion carry the same water bucket. For example, we know how deeply religious Mike Johnson is and he talks lots about morals, as in right and wrong, on a national scale. And we know who's water bucket he carries. https://www.politifact.com/art...-2020-election-as-h/ Excerpt: If Your Time is short In December 2020, U.S. Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., sought to persuade Republican colleagues to sign an amicus brief in support of a lawsuit asking the U.S. Supreme Court to toss out results from four states. Johnson voted against certifying the vote for Joe Biden in January 2021. Johnson spread debunked falsehoods about voter fraud following the 2020 election. ************* Trump lied, consequently People died. Connect the dots. Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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You have things backwards Kabob. Steve reached out with a gracious post, rolland thought the response was to spit in his face. Then decide to lie about his posts that he deserved an extra vote. He has a superiority complex and a nasty attitude to all those he feels beneath him. An apology for his lie is meaningless, everyone seeing him for what he is, priceless. I agree, as I said before Kabob. It is scientifically impossible to show proof of evil. Not peoples examples, those are beliefs, not proof. People want a devil. " the devil made me do it" what better scapegoat than something that cant be proven? Mutilations and torture were considered evil. Butfor the various tribes and peoples, they had a purpose and a reason. Evil is whatever the individual wants it to be. I'm fine with that, just dont try to prove it. | |||
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I'd rather not say i insist, but I certainly think so. My experiences and observations as a kid, adult, man and father are inexplicable without some kind of Boogieman, ( evil) entity to lay blame on. As for tangible, I don't know what to say other than there seems to be a lot of intangible things we believe in. | |||
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Ahriman, from Google's AI... In Zoroastrianism, Ahriman (also known as Angra Mainyu) is the embodiment of evil and the opponent of Ahura Mazda (the supreme god). Ahriman is associated with falsehood (Druj) and is a powerful force against Ahura Mazda's principle of Truth (Asha). He is depicted as the source of lies, deception, and all forms of wickedness, creating chaos and corruption in the world. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Show me where I said that, liar. Don't hide behind the skirts of the forum troll, whose posts I ignore. | |||
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Everyone else has seen it now, that is what matters. If you are afraid of jeffe, that is your problem. | |||
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"As I've stated NUMEROUS times. I don't want to have political fights with my America Brothers, or my Canadian neighbors. But many Canadians in here, shouted me down and demand a fight. I won't do it. We are divided enough. It's why I don't wander down here much any more. I want a cohesive America. As Americans, we have far more in common, than that which divides us." Steve showed up here posting that load of bullshit, and I admit it did piss me off to have a Trumpeteer preach to us about non-divisiveness. How rich! From someone who supports Trump with his words and vote? Trump, the most divisive politician--ever--anywhere. Who goes out of his way to pick fights with everyone. Whose every pitch is us versus them. I suppose I could have just laughed at the absurdity. Maybe Steve should preach his "can't we all just get along" tripe to his brethren. | |||
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Come on, big man. Pony up the proof. Or shut the fuck up. | |||
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It's right in front of you, just have to take jeffe off ignore. ![]() | |||
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oh, honey, that you HIDE from conflicting opinion, then try to make it a virtue --- chef's kiss -- you are AMAZING, that you can't take correction from a superior, according to YOUR measurement -- who is "hiding", honey ... mr 40 weeks more growing time in alaska -- oh, jimmy, you so bad .. you can't take getting your head handed to you, repeatedly --- oh, what, you are posting as jimmy the headless -- poor little thing opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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big ole 5'6 jimmy, trna step .. LMFAO -- pathetic ... she's even swearing -- because you can't take the heat -- goodness, this is as funny as kittens fighting, and with big jim, nearly as serious opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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