I didnt listen to trumps whining, did you?
Do you think the entire voting public really thought the previous election was rigged Mike?
I dont. Maybe some did, some believe we are being controlled by space aliens too.
I think the majority of people are fine with the security of the process. The media is out to sell airtime, they will take the story where it makes the most money.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by theback40:
How many EO's by a president isnt the issue.
It's that they can and should be legal ones.
That is a job for the courts, no matter which party makes them. What is good for one, is good for the other.
Jines, we just had an election that was uncontested. Where is the "Trump destroyed American confidence in the electoral process" you are talking about?

trump has spent the last 5 years trying to destroy American confidence in the electoral process by claiming he won when he lost in 2020. Filing lawsuits, constantly claiming fraud, never shutting up about how the system was rigged.

Interesting to note that when he won in 2024, all that bullshit went away. Suddenly, the system is sound and trustworthy. Because he won.

odd .. the left SCREAMS ACAB - so we get body cams -- and suddenly it's better ---

what changed?

MONITORING -

millions of missing votes - where they go, Mike? you could win a noble if you figured it out

I don't accept the assertion that there were millions of missing votes. Neither have any of the dozens of courts that have looked at the claimed evidence.

How else should we have figured it out? Just accept what trump says? You gotta explain it to me. Because trump is a liar. Literally everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. So, I'm sceptical.

If you have any proof of that, I'll be happy to take a look at it.

And, I don't understand what you're talking about in relation to law enforcement body cams. You gotta explain it to me. Some sort of analogy to the claimed missing millions of votes?

Like cops wearing bodycams for monitoring, the polls gained fidelity by poll watchers --

you can "not accept" any assertion you want, except this is cold hard facts -

In 2020, 155.5 million votes cast, 81.2 for biden
in 2024, 152 million votes cast, 75 million for harris

just from a rough cut of total votes, 3.5 million less votes

for harris vs biden, my point, 6.2 million less votes

here's the sources of top level
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

MILLIONS of missing votes, no matter what way you cut it

you are welcome

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Like cops wearing bodycams for monitoring, the polls gained fidelity by poll watchers --

you can "not accept" any assertion you want, except this is cold hard facts -

In 2020, 155.5 million votes cast, 81.2 for biden
in 2024, 152 million votes cast, 75 million for harris

just from a rough cut of total votes, 3.5 million less votes

for harris vs biden, my point, 6.2 million less votes

here's the sources of top level
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

MILLIONS of missing votes, no matter what way you cut it

you are welcome

Again, not following....

You're saying that since less people voted in 2024 than 2020, the vote was somehow fraudulent? Or just that Harris was less popular than Biden? Yeah, got that.

I dunno, let's stop dancing and just have you say it:

You accept the trump assertion that he lost in 2020 due to election fraud? Is that the position?

I know a lot of people believe that but I didn't think you did. It's the nuts that push that position. Over 60 courts looked at it and determined it was nonsense. Never even reached trial stage. The proponents couldn't produce any evidence.

Mike,
I have been pretty clear --
the dems are blaming racist/misogynistic voters for harris failing -- that's literally their posting.

6.5 million dems didn't showup for harris

never said a word about 2020 being election fraud, so, yeah, let's just drop that from the thread

there is no way, in my poor little STEM mind, that biden could have been "more popular" than harris - but here's the results,

and the DEMS tell us it's because of racist/misogynistic voters

I am taking them at their word --

it's gets damn funny though, when 6.5million dems didn't show up, and the dems try to blame GOP --

as for 2020 -- i'll admit it, this is dancing on a line -- i have ZERO doubt that there were 81million VOTES for biden -

i just wonder were 8% of them went in 24 -

Sone gold flipped and sone folks stayed home. It was still 1-5 percent in the individual battle ground states that made the margin.

The 2920 election was legitimate. The 2024 election was legitimate.

Trump’s actions since investiture has been not so much. Unless the S. Ct., wants to overturn a line of cases going back to the 1800s.

Don't forget that the minute Trump realized he lost, he started promoting the election fraud lie. How could he--alone, among millions--have known then?

And some people are still falling for the lie.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Sone gold flipped and sone folks stayed home. It was still 1-5 percent in the individual battle ground states that made the margin.

The 2920 election was legitimate. The 2024 election was legitimate.

Trump’s actions since investiture has been not so much. Unless the S. Ct., wants to overturn a line of cases going back to the 1800s.

could you spell check and clean this up?

btw, 1 EC vote, 1/538, less than 0.018% is all that is required for a win --

I'll assume you meant to say "some flipped" -- i am pretty sure that NO ONE that voted for biden would EVER have voted for trump --

and if ALL the vote difference for trump (74 vs 77) there are STILL 3.5 million votes that didn't show up for harris

the math is both simple and inescapable

DEms didn't vote for harris as they did for biden -- had they voted the same, without a SINGLE gained vote, it would be POTUS harris --

let's just shut this dumb argument down
"But people could have died" -
they could have, but the new voters coming online would be a greater number --

it's BASIC math -- like addition and subtraction math -- there's no lying with statistics, confusion with distributions, compounding by sigma --

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Don't forget that the minute Trump realized he lost, he started promoting the election fraud lie. How could he--alone, among millions--have known then?

And some people are still falling for the lie.

no one in this thread -- but thanks for paying attention --

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
I have been pretty clear --
the dems are blaming racist/misogynistic voters for harris failing -- that's literally their posting.

6.5 million dems didn't showup for harris

never said a word about 2020 being election fraud, so, yeah, let's just drop that from the thread

there is no way, in my poor little STEM mind, that biden could have been "more popular" than harris - but here's the results,

and the DEMS tell us it's because of racist/misogynistic voters

I am taking them at their word --

it's gets damn funny though, when 6.5million dems didn't show up, and the dems try to blame GOP --

as for 2020 -- i'll admit it, this is dancing on a line -- i have ZERO doubt that there were 81million VOTES for biden -

i just wonder were 8% of them went in 24 -

Nah, we're blaming racist/misogynistic voters for electing trump. Which is exactly what happened.

And, I am not surprised you don't want to talk about the supposed pervasive election fraud that trump quacked about for four years after he lost and how come he hasn't uttered a word about it after he won. You tell me why that is and why you want to just "drop it from the thread"....let me help. Because you can't explain it and don't want to talk about it. Because it was and is bullshit and you know it.

2016, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. 2020, Trump loses, election was rigged, stolen. 2024, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. Notice a trend TB40? The only elections that are rigged are the ones Trump loses. Amazing.

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Originally posted by MJines:
2016, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. .... Amazing.

uhmm .. you should get checked for memory loss --
"illegitimate president"
"the resistance"
Strozk and his girlfriends texts
article of impeachment planned BEFORE he took office
Hillary STILL claiming the election was stolen -- https://www.washingtonpost.com...8bf2c340f_story.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

you okay, Mike?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
2016, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. .... Amazing.

uhmm .. you should get checked for memory loss --
"illegitimate president"
"the resistance"
Strozk and his girlfriends texts
article of impeachment planned BEFORE he took office
Hillary STILL claiming the election was stolen -- https://www.washingtonpost.com...8bf2c340f_story.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

you okay, Mike?

You're missing the point intentionally and I appreciate why.

Explain to all of us why the process that was so corrupt and incorrect in 2020 was pristine in 2024?

Other than the fact that your guy won.

I don't care what hillary or trump said in the past. This is about what voters think, not the politicians. Not sure why jines cant stick with that, as he brought it up
The majority of people are not permanently scarred that elections and democracy is ruined jines, that is in your head.

Does it say, anywhere, that a draft dodging coward, can be commander in chief?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
2016, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. .... Amazing.

uhmm .. you should get checked for memory loss --
"illegitimate president"
"the resistance"
Strozk and his girlfriends texts
article of impeachment planned BEFORE he took office
Hillary STILL claiming the election was stolen -- https://www.washingtonpost.com...8bf2c340f_story.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

you okay, Mike?

You're missing the point intentionally and I appreciate why.

Explain to all of us why the process that was so corrupt and incorrect in 2020 was pristine in 2024?

Other than the fact that your guy won.

nah, i am not smart enough to spin it -- just presented clear facts -

oh, and let's not mention 2000

ps, trump has never been "my guy" -- I haven't voted for a winning candidate since bush 1 first term

Hell TB40, half your buddies here maintain that the 2020 election was stolen. There is a huge segment of the MAGAt world that has bought into The Big Lie hook, line and sinker.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
2016, Trump wins, election was hunky dory. .... Amazing.

uhmm .. you should get checked for memory loss --
"illegitimate president"
"the resistance"
Strozk and his girlfriends texts
article of impeachment planned BEFORE he took office
Hillary STILL claiming the election was stolen -- https://www.washingtonpost.com...8bf2c340f_story.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

you okay, Mike?

Yeah, well that's inconvenient.....

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Does it say, anywhere, that a draft dodging coward, can be commander in chief?

Unfortunately it doesn't say anywhere that they can't.

jines, it would be easier to discuss if you were a little more clear.
You started by saying "the american people" That can sound like all of them. How many were traumatized? People outside the voting center where New Black Panther members had batons saying only Obo voters here, would say they were traumatized. I wouldnt say all voters were from that episode. Even if every registered repub was a far right maga/trumper, it's only a % of the total voters out there. Are you saying all but the maga hardliners are traumatized?
What about the increased numbers of young people, blacks and hispanics that went trump this time? From fear of J6 happening to them?

Let's just create a new reality that works for you Trumpers.

Trump is a law and order kind of guy, the man never told lie, he believes in our democratic institutions and respects our Constitution, he has always been a champion of the legitimacy of our voting system, loyal to all three of his wives. Honest as the day is long.


Is that better?

What has your post to do with the voters as a whole, and if they are still shaken by J6 this cycle, steve?
Or was your post random?

Trump has spent the last 4 plus years undermining voter confidence, J6 was just part of that. If you think that Trump's actions have not had a long term damaging effect on voters confidence in the system then you have a serious case of denial.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Don't forget that the minute Trump realized he lost, he started promoting the election fraud lie. How could he--alone, among millions--have known then?

And some people are still falling for the lie.

I believe that the they schemed up that bullshit long before election day. They didn't just conjure it up on the fly.

They were actively tee'ing up to do the same thing this election in the event Trump lost . . . but then they won so the election was all fair and square. You really have to question the ability of MAGAts to do even the simplest of dot-to-dot drawings.

You folks must know alot of gullible people then.
I have not talked to a single person, none, who doesnt think enough safeguards are now in place to ensure a secure election.
Maybe expand your base of folks you hang out with. Who are these people, can you name the ones who lost confidence? Or is this a general observation from what the media tells you?

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Originally posted by theback40:
You folks must know alot of gullible people then.

. . . at last count there were about 77 million of them.

We could pull up all the polls of folks who think the 2020 election was illegitimate.

I am, and have been, talking about the 2024 election. All of you folks want to rehash the past with 2020.
The ones who thought it was "stolen" were far right maga's. I did not see the "Americans" as a whole, saying 2020 was stolen. A few problems, yes. But they made a point of telling what was done to prevent it this time. So far, other than on some talk show, I have seen no "shaken confidence" in the election this cycle. Show me the polls that prove otherwise, as no, I have not seen them.

The Left acted like adults. The Right did not in 2020.

That is the only thing to say about the two.

Even in 2016, the Left never said Trump did not win, the campaign was that the EC could deny him. That was bf the S.Ct. upheld state laws binding their delegates to the state’s popular vote. Thus, it was a legal idea.

As long as a larger segment believe the 2020 election was illegitimate, your argument does not carry water. The faith is broken.

Trump during this election was already laying the same ground work.

His attacks on the judiciary were part of it.

How can a larger segment believe it was illegit?
Biden won with more votes. If every trump voter in 2020 thought it was rigged,and I doubt that is true, it still is not the larger segment. You are talking out your ass heym.
This time trump got the popular vote. His approval in polls shows he's above water to his disapproval.
How can people give him the popular vote this time. And an even higher number of voters not even care who won, and yet be traumatized from 2020?
Your argument doesnt carry water. People get over things, maybe the grown-ups did. Are you upset things went well? There was no uproar, and saying "well, there could have been" Is projecting.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The Left acted like adults. The Right did not in 2020.

That is the only thing to say about the two.

Cute, now do 2016 and 2024

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
The Left acted like adults. The Right did not in 2020.

That is the only thing to say about the two.

Even in 2016, the Left never said Trump did not win, the campaign was that the EC could deny him. That was bf the S.Ct. upheld state laws binding their delegates to the state’s popular vote. Thus, it was a legal idea.

As long as a larger segment believe the 2020 election was illegitimate, your argument does not carry water. The faith is broken.

Trump during this election was already laying the same ground work.

His attacks on the judiciary were part of it.

Adults....Noted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvbjrmXF5M

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Adults....Noted.

Apparently, you didn't note the difference or else have a poor understanding of adult. Let me help.

Conceding immediately and gracefully, as Harris did in 2024, was adult.

Crying and whining falsely about being cheated, as Trump did in 2020, was childish.

Now do you get it?

Adults, no attempt to undermine the result, convincing millions you actually won, destroying their faith in our system, and motivating a violent mob.

Adults.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Adults....Noted.

Apparently, you didn't note the difference or else have a poor understanding of adult. Let me help.

Conceding immediately and gracefully, as Harris did in 2024, was adult.

Crying and whining falsely about being cheated, as Trump did in 2020, was childish.

Now do you get it?

now do hillary?

headless, if you can't see the political theater of harris FIGHT ... er, concession speach, well, i just aint gunna say it, cuz your feefees might get hurt

harris used "fight" nearly three times more than trump said on jan6th .. and CRICKETS --

i recall you saying your are considered a "conservative curmudgeon" on your lefty group -- the only place that would be fitting to label you as a conservative curmudgeon would be at your "white dudes for harris" swingers party

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Nah, we're blaming racist/misogynistic voters for electing trump. Which is exactly what happened.

And this is exactly why the left is gonna,keep losing!

They can't admit that their candidate was so bad that even Donald Trump smoked her!

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Nah, we're blaming racist/misogynistic voters for electing trump. Which is exactly what happened.

And this is exactly why the left is gonna,keep losing!

They can't admit that their candidate was so bad that even Donald Trump smoked her!

that's true --
i mean, if we believe the left's POV as to how horrible trump is, then how bad of an appointed "candidate" have to be to get CLOBBERED in all "blue wall" states?

Hey, Jim -- you know what you and I have in common with ALL the lefties here?

we earned EXACTLY the same about of votes in the 2024 democratic primary as quemala