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Originally posted by ledvm:
The fact remains however that without NATO and/or the US military…a negotiated settlement to peace is the only viable alternative.

Ukraine cannot win…Russia is still gaining territory.

The Fact remains, Russia out of main land Ukraine, EU membership, and military aid guarantees would be a win for Ukraine.

We can all be thankful that Lane was not in the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia in 1776 . . . or with Sam Houston at San Jacinto in 1836.

Loco Lane wants Putin to win. He's a russian apologist because his orange leader is a russian apologist.

It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

My thought stream gets up every day and proves itself…unlike most on here.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

My thought stream gets up every day and proves itself…unlike most on here.

. . . just ask anyone of his imaginary friends.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

My thought stream gets up every day and proves itself…unlike most on here.

. . . just ask anyone of his imaginary friends.

What was your gripe of other posters not making any substantial posts and just trolling and name calling?

What did you say a post or two back? "Pot... kettle"

Can Ukraine win?

No.

They have already lost!

Practice WW3 started by the CIA and Russia won!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

My thought stream gets up every day and proves itself…unlike most on here.

. . . just ask anyone of his imaginary friends.

What was your gripe of other posters not making any substantial posts and just trolling and name calling?

What did you say a post or two back? "Pot... kettle"

name calling jeffe, from you: that is rich ...

We intentionally did not visit War on German citizens in WWII you advocate in Gaza.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Your unconditional support of a New Nazi, but want to kill Putin??!!

Sometimes I wonder if your thought stream is like one of the animals you treat!

My thought stream gets up every day and proves itself…unlike most on here.

. . . just ask anyone of his imaginary friends.

What was your gripe of other posters not making any substantial posts and just trolling and name calling?

What did you say a post or two back? "Pot... kettle"

name calling jeffe, from you: that is rich ...

Oh, hi. Show me the name i called. I asked two questions, not to you I might add, and gave snippet of representative posts. Reading is hard

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
We intentionally did not visit War on German citizens in WWII you advocate in Gaza.

Dresden... Berlin... Hamburg.

There is a b25 , in the CFA, in San Marcos that is called "yellow rose" my great uncle flew a like b25 over germany, and flew THAT plane in the airshows, and he was part of the restoration team

Go look it up. We did not starve Germany to death.

It was called the Marshall Plan, and Carpet Bombing was only necessary to make sure military targets were hit. We were not targeting Hans’ house.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Go look it up. We did not starve Germany to death.

It was called the Marshall Plan, and Carpet Bombing was only necessary to make sure military targets were hit. We were not targeting Hans’ house.

Dresden Berlin Hamburg
Destroyed rail roads and trains. Trucks and convoys, all designated targets. You are correct, unless suspected of actively housing Germans, we didnt go after a farm.... we flattened the populated cities

And every truck and train could have fed more civilians post war. We intentionally destroyed infrastructure to win the war. All infrastructure... straving 10s of thousands

But every house in Dresden Berlin and Hamburg were acceptable collateral damage.

But, to your point... go look up the results, pictures are available online, of those cities post bombing .. i am certain "not being targeted" makes up for the flattening of these cities.

Only 2.5 million, conservative estimate, German civilians died as a result of wwii...

Recall "precision bombing" in wwii meant within a MILE

And dont get me started on Tokyo firebombings, meant to kill civilians, no other purpose.

Go look up why we did carpet bombing. It was not to target civilians.

We did not do what Israel is doing nor what Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Trains and railroads are military targets. Refusing baby formula to enter Gaza is not.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Go look up why we did carpet bombing. It was not to target civilians.

We did not do what Israel is doing nor what Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Trains and railroads are military targets. Refusing baby formula to enter Gaza is not.

Ok, I refuse to further engage with the willfully disingenuous

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Can Ukraine win?

No.

They have already lost!

Practice WW3 started by the CIA and Russia won!

All the while there is 1 square cm of Ukraine that Vlad doesn't control and 1 Ukrainian willing to fight back the Ukrainians have not lost.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Go look up why we did carpet bombing. It was not to target civilians.

We did not do what Israel is doing nor what Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Trains and railroads are military targets. Refusing baby formula to enter Gaza is not.

Ok, I refuse to further engage with the willfully disingenuous

The truth is not disingenuous.

Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Now, the Japanese Tokyo Firebombing is not something I can dismiss. However, we did not treat Japanese like they did the Chinese, or POWs.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Go look up why we did carpet bombing. It was not to target civilians.

We did not do what Israel is doing nor what Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Trains and railroads are military targets. Refusing baby formula to enter Gaza is not.

Ok, I refuse to further engage with the willfully disingenuous

The truth is not disingenuous.

Germany and Russia did in their occupations.

Now, the Japanese Tokyo Firebombing is not something I can dismiss. However, we did not treat Japanese like they did the Chinese, or POWs.

except that you are dead wrong, have no background in the matter, have no (at one time) living relatives to discuss with ...

Honey, if the train carries food, and it's bombed, it limits the food the people can get ...

i know you are NOT stupid, so the choices are uninformed or willfully disingenuous --

cities bombed FLAT, killings 100s of thousands, .. well, sweetchecks, dead is dead, doesn't matter if the bomb was aimed at you ...

like many things, you think your lived experience in podunk is a valid worldview outside of podunk .. it just isn't -- and, honey, i've studied wwii longer than you've been alive

goodness, your conceit that you are always right is tiresome .. and when proven wrong, you act like a toddler .. you should reflect on that

the chip on your shoulder is inflaming your ego -- you are WRONG, you won't own, and that's PATHETIC

tell me again about "dye prices"

Exit saying I am wrong does not make it so.

We did not kill citizens nor destiny their state like Germany did or Russia did. We rebuilt it.

We did not do the the Japanese what they did to China during their occupation.


Man, Duke Wayne was right. Life is hard. It is harder when you are stupid. When I need tech security or pre med advice you may be correct

I was only taught by a published professor from West Point and a JAG Colonel cited by Justice Scalia.

Good old America, the Worlds Policeman!

Let some poor beleaguered micro-nation like El Salvador or Somalia or (God forbid) Grenada be threatened, and they’re all “Man Battle Stations!” “Freedom and Liberty!” “Shock and Awe!”

But when Putin invades Ukraine, it’s … …and when Netanyahu pounds Gaza's women and children into gravel, he’s proclaimed a ‘War Hero’.

But Putin doesn’t own Donald “I’ll end the war with one phone call!” Trump. Nope. Not a chance. MAGA my ass.

What the hell has happened to the America the world once knew, and respected and looked up to? The once beacon of the free world’s aspirations has become the foul and pustulant chancre on the ass of the planet.

The one week Trump ramble about stouter sanctions. The other week he literally roll out the red carpet for Putin in Alaska..

What will he do if his peace proposal come to nothing..?

He does not have the balls to hardball Russia..he is a coward.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

What the hell has happened to the America the world once knew, and respected and looked up to? The once beacon of the free world’s aspirations has become the foul and pustulant chancre on the ass of the planet.

See taglines below, especially Degenerate 1:1

Japan killed over 20 million in WWII. Most of those were Asian civilians.

Japan lost about 2.8 million. If we had done to Japan what Japan did to everyone else or what the Texas Contingent wants done in GAZA, there would be no Japanese today.

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
The one week Trump ramble about stouter sanctions. The other week he literally roll out the red carpet for Putin in Alaska..

What will he do if his peace proposal come to nothing..?

He does not have the balls to hardball Russia..he is a coward.

He has the ultimate sanction at his disposal - allow Ukraine to use western weapons in the way they want to and supply them with whatever they need.

I do suspect that his “ deal” will involve Ukraine giving up land and Russia giving up nothing.

Trump says Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky because they don't like each other.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/art...cause-175941222.html

Could it be because they are both short fellows and will look small beside Trump?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Why am I not surprised that you'd advocate starving women and children to death?

The cow doctor lecturing about how to win a war. The only thing that exceeds your arrogance is your clueless stupidity.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

I idly wonder who Putin's successor will be...

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Why am I not surprised that you'd advocate starving women and children to death?

The cow doctor lecturing about how to win a war. The only thing that exceeds your arrogance is your clueless stupidity.

Stupidity?

Who’s the Democrat?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Name a time Russia could be reasoned with? They never have and never could be. Their mentality is completely their own and is not Western European. It's pessimistic and they carry a fear of being judged second class, and yet it makes them always second class.
Comparing Gaza and Ukraine is a total fallacy. The factors, instigators and methods are completely dissimilar.

Personally, I don’t think Ukraine can win.

They can convince Russia that the cost of winning is such that it’s a pyrric victory for Russia, but fundamentally Ukraine’s winning is convincing Russia to stop. Ukraine is unable to militarily conquer Russia… even with western financial and weapon support.

While the west getting directly involved could conquer Russia, that is the route that leads to nuclear war.

I agree that Russia the national/people can be reasoned with.

I used to think Putin could be as well, but his heading down the road he has is making me think he’s not right in the head.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Name a time Russia could be reasoned with? They never have and never could be. Their mentality is completely their own and is not Western European. It's pessimistic and they carry a fear of being judged second class, and yet it makes them always second class.
Comparing Gaza and Ukraine is a total fallacy. The factors, instigators and methods are completely dissimilar.

Name a time when America could be reasoned with when they get into a crusade mentality to invade and destroy other countries?

All on the pretext of bringing them DEMOCRACY?


Something they have no idea what it means!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Name a time Russia could be reasoned with? They never have and never could be. Their mentality is completely their own and is not Western European. It's pessimistic and they carry a fear of being judged second class, and yet it makes them always second class.
Comparing Gaza and Ukraine is a total fallacy. The factors, instigators and methods are completely dissimilar.

Name a time when America could be reasoned with when they get into a crusade mentality to invade and destroy other countries?

All on the pretext of bringing them DEMOCRACY?


Something they have no idea what it means!

But the UAE and the Saudi proxy war in Sudan which is causing the death of thousands is something that should be simply ignored? Far easier that way Saeed.

Forgive me if I find your outrage to be less than sincere and more than slightly hypocritical.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxp0qyn6dqo

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Exit saying I am wrong does not make it so.

We did not kill citizens nor destiny their state like Germany did or Russia did. We rebuilt it.

We did not do the the Japanese what they did to China during their occupation.


Man, Duke Wayne was right. Life is hard. It is harder when you are stupid. When I need tech security or pre med advice you may be correct

I was only taught by a published professor from West Point and a JAG Colonel cited by Justice Scalia.

We rebuilt Germany and Japan AFTER the war.

We fed civilians as best we could after we conquered an area, but we sure as blazes didn’t allow fishing ships or freighters/trains to go in to feed combatant nation civilians.

Your argument is in the language being used to justify the act.

We did do a lot of bombing to “reduce morale for support of the war effort”.

I get that we tried to justify the act by what we considered a legitimate war aim. Somehow I expect the Israelis are doing the same thing, even if our media is reporting it as something else.

Yes, there is a difference between using starvation once you control an area (what the axis and the Soviets did- and the British could be said to have done this in India as well…) and what occurs before your control of the area.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is funny to listen to the people who can’t stomach what it takes to actually win a war (IE: Gaza)…advocate for a meat-grinder WWI type war where diplomacy actually has a chance. But then again it’s The Mikes.

If it were me running things…I would taken out Putin over a decade ago when Gorbachev and Yeltsin were still fresh in Russian minds. Russia was coming along nicely until Putin. I would personally be happy to pull the trigger on the sniper rifle to take him out. No love for Putin here.

What I don’t want is a strong China/Russian alliance. Russia, unlike Islamic extremists, can be reasoned with and Russia could be a “normal” country. It is worth trying to bring around.

Why am I not surprised that you'd advocate starving women and children to death?

The cow doctor lecturing about how to win a war. The only thing that exceeds your arrogance is your clueless stupidity.

Stupidity?

Who’s the Democrat?

You support a convicted felon who has sex with minors. Not just stupid....morally bankrupt.

Whoa! I missed something.
There is proof he had sex with minors?

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Whoa! I missed something.
There is proof he had sex with minors?

There isnt and its clear libel but who am I to say.. I am illiterate according to some 4th tier law school lawyers. At least I speak and write American standard English, consistently

Nope and news agencies have paid out for their staff saying he rapped folks.

He has been adjudicated to have sexually assaulted a woman in civil court. A case most recently has been upheld.

The behavior found by that jury is consistent with his stated behavior concerning sexual contact w adults.